Dear Larry Cosgrove
Jeff Rudacille
reposted, then don't post it on a public board.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wx-forecast/messages/
Once you place it on that board, it becomes public domain and anyone may
repost it at their own willingness provided they do not take credit for the
work themselves. You may not copyright (meaning not allow reposting)
information posted on a public board...this particular issues has been
tossed around several times in court systems around the country and has gone
down to the point that e-mails are no longer protected under any such
copyright acts and may be republished at will by anyone you send the e-mail
too. I do not make an act out of reposting your messages as they mean little
to me, but in this case I performed a public service in completing a
shortened version of your 72 Hour Outlook.
Instead of worrying about your copyright, you might want to look at the PA
State Statutes for Harassment by Communication. This is what you will be
worrying about if you continue to send me threatening e-mails.
MikeSzotak
way home from work.
Jeff Rudacille
Not stealing..someone on another board did not get Larrys newsletter,
another person pasted part of it and forgot to paste a part at the bottom,
which I helped with. Then Larrys sends me one of his "Weather Nazi" type
e-mails with nothing but his little disclaimer.
What sucks is that Larrys newsletters,. though free, full of info and such,
contain some of the worst forecasting available on the web...so really, I
did go overboard as it is not even worth the time I took at this point.
MikeSzotak
Jeff Rudacille
and tries to tell one of the other locals they are wrong, invariably he is
wrong 75% of the time...he is heralded as a great forecaster but he has
never been anything more then a TV met type in my own personal opinion. And
the way he "stops" sending his news letter (he did not stop sending to me, I
went ahead and asked him to stop sending like I do any other spam) to anyone
that looks at him cross eyed is quite lame. Did not help matters any when
he stopped posting here (most of the time) in favor of the moderated
board...just a personal issue with me on that one.
Jeff Rudacille
hay" topic on another board and guess who shows up to stab my butt in the
back? Your old friend, Scott from VA. Must be something in the water at
the homes of people named Scott.
I think he missed you Jack and was looking for a fight with anyone?
Jeff Rudacille
on it...I am done.
If he wants to have his lawyer send me a threat, by all means do so. I have
followed the several civil cases surrounding e-mail and public posted
"intellectual" property and understand what can and can not be considered
copyright violations. If what I did was a copyright violation, then
everytime he posts on the Yahoo Boards and someone replies to him (keeping
the orginal note on the reply) it is alos a copyright violation...of course,
that is absurd as is suggesting things can not be copied from a public forum
and brought up for discussion elswhere.
As far as immature in bashing his ability...kind of gettig back at him for
doing the same to me two years ago...
Jeff Rudacille
also what it says on WWEB and why do I post it here? It also says JCR
because people tend to see bubbler and think my name is blubber. You have
called me Jeff on there several times, so can it with your alias bull trying
to start more trouble, eh? The people on there that know of me know that it
is me posting...
kitk...@webtv.net
LARRY
Ed Oswald
While yes, Larry can sometimes be wrong on things... isn't everybody?
Plus... there is a copyright message at the bottom of his e-mails. I am sure
LC has taken the neccessary precautions to protect his INTELLECTUAL
PROPERTY. Trust me JR, you would lose the case. A e-mail threatening legal
action is not a threat in the state of Pennsylvania. I live in this state,
and I know the laws. Frankly, I think LC should take you off of his list, I
know I sure wouldn't have you on my list if you think you were reposting
without permission.
I am a journalism major, and I know the laws of fair use. This is not one of
them. So, get a grip and next time you post copyrighted material, be sure to
ask the persons permission.
Wow, and I thought you were smarter than this.
--
Ed Oswald
WeatherGuide - http://www.weatherguide.tv
WeatherGuide Forums - http://www.weatherguide.tv/yourweather
"Jeff Rudacille" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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kitk...@webtv.net
THE JERKS
Jeff Rudacille
Actually, I said my piece...Larry and I can agree on one thing. We dislike
each other...so that makes Larry, Charles, Josh...umm, what is the theme
here? Yep, moderation. :-) Any way, I will NEVER EVER help Larry with
Props on his newsletter again...his threat made it throuygh loud and clear.
MikeSzotak
embarrassing how you have made an ass out of yourself by starting this. I'm
glad to see that some people have come to bat for Larry though.
Mike
Jeff Rudacille
him. As I said, he sent me a veiled threat, I tired of his grossly
malapropos attitude towards whoever he wanted to bash, so I called him on
it. If he comes on here, he can say his piece in defense and this session
is over.
Funny how you were not here when Larry was ripping me last year, Mike, thus
you opinion is one sided. Like Larry for who he is but don't ignore what he
did...you can choose to do what you want though, that is what is great about
the US I guess...except we have too many Over Zealous DA's.
"MikeSzotak" <mikes...@aol.com> wrote in message
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MikeSzotak
his disgust with the action of reproducing material or not citing the
copyright, but I think anyone who knows Larry a little bit realizes that the
man wouldn't threaten anyone. Say what you want about his forecasting
abilities, that's your right (I for one think they are good). However, I'm not
sure what his forecasting abilities have to do with the gripe between you and
him. The fact that you even had to drag it out to the point of mocking his
capability on a public newsgroup shows your immaturity. I've read tons of posts
from Larry on this newsgroup and while at times he is confident and strong in
his opinions, I've never felt that he's stuck them in the face of anyone. His
services are free, and the time he puts into them is much. I don't see why you
view his request that the newsletter not be reproduced to be a problem or
signal of arrogance.
Mike
Jeff Rudacille
I told Larry he is not allowed to e-mail me anymore, see the statute below.
.and I do know the law very well. Trust me...Larry got his written warning.
He does not e-mail me, I do not e-mail him from this point on...
Secondly, I took myself off Larrys 2 years ago...when he started his Nazi
regime. Larry never had the chance to ban me as I soured with getting hyped
over his notes only to have them fall short every often then saw him mis
treat people on here...I can mistreat too, but I don't offer pick and choose
who to include in my own "Happy Domain" such as he does.
Thirdly, go to this link and let me know if that is an e-mail you see there?
No, huh? Kind of means that Larry posted his message on a board, eh?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wx-forecast/messages/
I was very smart, Ed. That is why I took the discussion to the board...your
post assume Larry is sending me his newsletter which he is not and it also
assumes I took something off one of his e-mails, which I did not. If Larry
were to continue harassing me from this point on, I would have many public
references to the issues behind the case.
Since I think you too are a smart fellow, I will assume you simply read my
note and read out of it what you wanted to. The facts are, Larry posts his
newsletter on a public forum, it can be reposted anywhere legally as long as
the person reposting does not take credit for it, and thirdly I am not on
Larrys news letter list. Ed, he takes people off for sneezing
incorrectly..do you think I would still be on? The facts are, and you may
ask all the Journal teachers you want to, that Yahoo is a public group and
Larry freely posts to that group..its not an e-mail, it is a POST. You lose
any rights to intellectual "rights" when you post such information on a
public domain forum as it is then assumed, rightfully so, that you are
posting it for public use. The copyright protects anyone from infringing
upon his newsletter as in saying THEY DID IT but to post a small portion of
it when another user says they did not get it, and give Larry credit for
that portion, is not a copyright infringement...again, the example to help
you folks understand. When Larry posts his newsletter on the Yahoo
Newsgroup area, you can reply to him..when you reply, what happens? The
previous note is automatically placed in the reply as usual...copyright
infringement? Of course not...so stop with the lame fight about it being
any other way.
Here is your criminal statute. Read carefully...as this applies to anyone
and against my own wishes, the state is coming down on this hard. You send
someone an e-mail...they tell you to stop sending and you send another one
that falls into any of these categories and you got a M3 on your record
unless you can get ARD. I have had to change the way I do things myself as
any Joe Scmoe can go to the Cops now and they will indeed charge your
butt...especially State Police...I personally know.
§ 5504. Harassment and stalking by communication or address.
(a) Harassment by communication or address.--A person commits the crime of
harassment by communication or address when, with intent to harass, annoy or
alarm another, the person:
communicates to or about such other person any lewd, lascivious, threatening
or abscene words, language, drawings or caricatures; or
communicates repeatedly in an anonymous manner;
communicates repeatedly at extremely inconvenient hours; or
communicates repeatedly in a manner not covered by paragraph (2) or (3).
(a.1) Stalking by communication or address.--A person commits the crime of
stalking by communication or address when the person engages in a course of
conduct or repeatedly communicates to another under circumstances which
demonstrate or communicate either of the following:
An intent to place such other person in reasonable fear of bodily injury.
An intent to cause substantial emotional distress to such other person.
(b) Venue.--Any offense committed under subsection (a) or (a.1) may be
deemed to have been committed at either the place at which the communication
or communications were made or at the place where the communication or
communications were received.
(c) Grading.--
An offense under subsection (a) shall constitute a misdemeanor of the third
degree.
Except as set forth under paragraph (3) or (4), an offense under subsection
(a.1) shall constitute a misdemeanor of the first degree.
A second or subsequent offense under subsection (a.1) shall constitute a
felony of the third degree.
A first offense under subsection (a.1) if the person has been previously
convicted of any crime of violence involving the same victim, family or
household members, including, but not limited to, a violation of section
2701 (relating to simple assault), 2702 (relating to aggravated assault),
2705 (relating to recklessly endangering another person), 2709 (relating to
harassment and stalking), 2901 (relating to kidnapping), 3121 (relating to
rape), 3123 (relating to involuntary deviate sexual intercourse) or 3124.1
(relating to sexual assault), an order issued under section 4954 (relating
to protective orders) or an order issued under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating
to relief), shall constitute a felony of the third degree.
"Ed Oswald" <norea...@msn.com> wrote in message
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DT
AND at WWBB where you use an alias on your profile?
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Bravtheelements
Is there any statute corresponding to your harassment of farm animals? If not,
there should be. They have rights too.
Zeke
Jeff Rudacille
brings that back up?
ShirkB
THE JERKS
Now, that was an intelligent post! WOW, I'm impressed...
Everyone can/will be in defense of Larry however I would have to agree with
Jeff. I truly like Larry's newsletter however if, what Jeff is saying is true,
then what Larry did was wrong.
If he posts his newsletter on a public forum it is then considered
public...Jeff did not take credit for copying/pasting a portion of the letter.
Move on people, and get over it..
Pjc368
people involved in a particular situation know the truth, I will defend the
character of Mr. Cosgrove.
I am a seventh grade science teacher, and I like to introduce various
weather-related posts to my class to dissect and define/explain various
terms/wx conditions. A few weeks ago, I asked Mr. Cosgrove if I could use his
letter for this purpose, and he replied that I could, without the slightest bit
of hesitation. As any teacher knows, finding quality resources without a price
tag is near impossible. I am very appreciative, and I hope that Mr. Cosgrove
realizes the effects of a simple approval...
It is great that there are a few mets out there willing to share their opinions
and theories to explain the haphazard events that we call weather, it brings
meteorology to life in my science classes.
His letter is free from foul language, meteo-babble, and obscure references.
It is easy to follow and concise, always well-written(I also teach these
children spelling in homeroom).
So thank you, Mr. Cosgrove, and I wish there were more people like you in the
world.
CCRAMER554
jack
jxWA9.53$B85....@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net, "Jeff Rudacille"
<nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
Things must be slow with the Cub Scouts this week!
-- There is really no such thing as bad weather, only different kinds of
good weather.
--- Quoted by Lord Avebury
jack
26759-3D...@storefull-2273.public.lawson.webtv.net,
"kitk...@webtv.net" <kitk...@webtv.net> wrote:
> EVERYONE WHO AGREES POST HERE LARRY KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK F---K
> THE JERKS
Great post! did you ever think of writing as a profession?
First of all I like Larry's letter. He puts a lot of time in to it, and it
contains much useful information. In discussions with me Larry has always
been a gentleman. However, if Larry is posting his newsletter on a public
board then it is fair game to repost, as long as one gives credit to Larry,
and does not alter the content. I'm surprised Larry doesn't know that.
As to Jeff, he's not a "jerk". He seems to be a decent guy who contributes
much to this group. If Larry did in fact send a "threat" of legal action to
Jeff, then Jeff has every right to be angry. No one likes getting threats,
veiled or otherwise
Personally I'm sorry Larry doesn't post here as much as he used to, to be
fair however I don't see many posts of his on the censored group either.
Perhaps he is just too busy. In any case both Jeff and Larry are valuable
assets to this group. Pitting one person against another is childish and
dumb. It sounds like something DT would consider "cute"!
-- That fellow seems to me to possess but one idea, and that is a
wrong one.
---Samuel Johnson, 1709-1784
jack
"Scott_inVA" <nos...@blahblah.net> wrote:
> Attack as you will, I won't be back here again. I know that is a
> disappointment to Jack, but life goes on.
>
> See ya.
>
> Scott
>
The question is "when will you ever climb back into a pup tent"?
Hi Scotto.... I hope all is well in Cub Scout land!
========================================
-- "There's a sucker born every minute"
---P. T. Barnum
Scott_inVA
Did not know JCR was you at WWBB as this is my first (and only) post back at
ne.wx.
Got an email you were Jacking me here tonight and wanted to see for myself.
If you read my posts, I don't pick fights with anyone...and generally don't
respond to them.
Your copyright comments were wrong, I called you on it...no backstabbing
there. It was plain as day, with my name, my email and comments directed at
"JCR". Appears to me, Jeff, you're the one backstabbing me here :)
Your copyright law misinformation and calling Larry a "racist" were things I
wouldn't let pass over at WW. I nailed you, you got mad and deleted the
topic. Then you started a new one and went after Friggin Scott instead of
LC. So you cross post again saying I'm stabbing you in the butt? Odd.
Now I understand your "sticking up for me" comments. Sorry to see it was
you, but that changes nothing.
At WWBB you stated you were my "friend". Man, you turn on people fast!
I left here because of this very kind of post...nothing to do with weather.
It was fun sparring with you over there, maybe we can do it again about
weather.
DT
is NOT listed as Jeff Rudacille.
"Jeff Rudacille" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Jeff Rudacille
Jeff Rudacille
Who says I have to have my whole name, Dave? My e-mail address is listed as
bubb...@yahoo.com...yes, my whole name is not listed but I thought the
purpose of your note was to indicate that I was trying to post under a
"hidden" alias which is what I was taking exception too...
I told Mr. Dross to revoke my account on there as the moderation kicked in
and you know how much I like that...
"DT" <wth...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Rudacille
I am just being my typical "raging" self :-). Yes, Larry did send me his
little disclaimer with no other words such as "Please, do me a favor and
don't repost or such" it was a veiled threat that if I post his newsletter
he is going to pursue some type of action against me...so I had enough of
his Nazi like way of handling problems and blew a gasket. Part of being
Jeff Rudacille. Thanks for your thoughts...it is agreeable that Larry is
certainly an asset to any group with all the work he puts into his
newsletter...however, I am still quite sore over the debacle two years ago
when his forecast went belly up and my own, weather weenie forecast, was a
much better shot and instead of simply saying I was right, he ripped me on
several notes here in ne.weather...and then our friend Scott with his "I
don't know you Jeff, but I did just acknowledge you on this board two weeks
ago" kind of got me going again...actually Scott is a decent person but I
obviously don't like what he said on the WWEB board about me..but I surely
had it coming :-)
"jack" <rsh...@kcuf.com> wrote in message
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Alan Grossberg
Massachusetts? I wonder why he never posts anymore......he used to have good
forecasts.
Jeff Rudacille
of a radio station (www.wrel.com). On the Wright Weather Board, I posted
the same note as above about Larry and he got on his own bandwagon and said
something to the effect of "Your true intention for posting here is coming
out" when blasting back at me...just two weeks prior, I had written Scott on
the board and asked how he was and he acknowledged knowing me from
ne.weather and seemed fine with me. So, I called him a backstabber :-).
Now, above, he says that he did not know it was me?? Whatever...I just
won't defend him anymore when Jack calls him a Cub Scout or whatever.
Scott Simard...from what Scott said in chat rooms, he no longer posts here
as he tired of arguing with everyone (one person in particular from a
Southern State). Yes, his posts were very informative for his area. As
usual with anyone else outspoken, he and I disagreed at one point and it
turned into its own soap oprea..I must have that disease that I am not happy
unless I am disagreeing with someone? :-)
Anyone else we are missing? <BG>
Michael Moriarty
wasn't it you or you under a discreet alias last year that asserted that
LES is fake?!...a-HA, thought so....good thing i have a sense of humor
buddy!; that, and all those MIB i sent to your house to unveil a threat
of relocating your liver>>to the dining room table w/ sauteed onions on
top:)<BG>
anyway, LC & i share heritage...so even if i disagree w/ his forecast
sometimes, as a shamrock-pie epsilon alum., he's cool in my book
~Mike
ps- "LES is like an orgasm, faked some of the time-but you never know
the difference"
~ Siegfried & Roy(or was it Sigmund Freud who said that?
Jeff Rudacille
the huge question of whether you needed a shortwave of anykind for it to
form and I asserted that you did not...then it went from there :-)
"Michael Moriarty" <Mike...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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eric w
wrote:
> LES is a fake snow or fake snowstorm
fake in the sense that many of the totals have a water equivalent of 100:1
or ten times the depth of what we consider average water content for snow
on the east coast.
understanding this helps appreciate the inflated totals reported for this
stuff.
eric...
Jeff Rudacille
moisture" which causes 2 Feet of Snow in Buffalo would only cause 2" in a
normal 10-1 scenario in an East Coast City...but that breaks into the whole
theory of LES which is that it is a pick up and drop type of situation where
many east coast systems form the eventual snow that will fall.
"eric w" <er...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Rudacille
very little, but when your done, you are left feeling empty. :-)
"Alan Grossberg" <snow...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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>
> LES is the cotton candy of the snow world. Airy, fluffy, sweet.....but
> evanescent.
>
> When it's gone (all too soon), you're left thinking "I can't believe I got
> so excited over that crap." :>)
>
Alan Grossberg
eric w
"Alan Grossberg" <snow...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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| so excited over that crap." :>)
ROFLMAO
Michael Moriarty
guys......sounds like too much laughter & mockery at my expense;-)
anyway, LES CAN be quite heavy(as in snow/water ratio) i'm not sure what
the global record for SWE from LES, but it's probably close to
10/1.....and the 100/1 ratio thrown out here is certainly the exception,
not the rule....generally ratio's run 25-30/1 on avg. but can be highly
variable
The Artist Formerly Known As Your Highness
snow event in 2006.
Al52228
following:
>
>They're just jealous. At least until we get the first good East Coast
>snow event in 2006.
>
If recent climatology is any indicator, it may be necessary to push back that
date. February 2008 seems about right.
jack
9818-3DD...@storefull-2294.public.lawson.webtv.net, "Michael Moriarty"
<Mike...@webtv.net> wrote:
> ps- "LES is like an orgasm, faked some of the time-but you never know
> the difference"
> ~ Siegfried & Roy(or was it Sigmund Freud who said that?
>
Freud actually said "Sometimes Lake Effect Snow is just Snow"
Or was it "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" when speaking about oral
fixation.
-- Some are weather-wise, some are otherwise.
---Ben Franklin, 1735
jack
YNaB9.1369$B85.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net, "Jeff Rudacille"
<nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Whatever...I just
> won't defend him anymore when Jack calls him a Cub Scout or whatever.
No, no he's not a cub scout, he just likes going camping with cub scouts.
Pup tents and so are his THING! He used to get furious when I said that, and
for the life of me I don't know why!
--"Don't fear the dark, fear what lurks *in* the dark."
- Anonymous
DT
SHMUCK?
What in the world is so controversial about saying "LES is fake snow" that
YOU would feel the NEED to hide like a little girl and use an alias?
God almighty Jeff its weather!!!
get a goddman life already...
"Jeff Rudacille" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Jeff Rudacille
crush your skull in if he could get hold of you, but in the back of his mind
he knows that will never happen so he gets mad....a lot of people have it.
"jack" <rsh...@kcuf.com> wrote in message
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Jeff Rudacille
An Alias...your not the IQ genius of your family, are you? You post a note
calling someone a name for using an Alias (one that list my e-mail address
and is my intials..JCR, numbskull) when you are using one. LOL...
"DT" <wth...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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RJ
wrote:
>I make an ass out of myself alot
You've made that obvious with this thread.
RJ
Moriarty) wrote:
The LES I shoveled in NW PA as a kid was plenty heavy most of the
time.
Jeff Rudacille
"RJ" <re_jo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Zeke Setzer
>
> Thirdly, go to this link and let me know if that is an e-mail you see there?
> No, huh? Kind of means that Larry posted his message on a board, eh?
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wx-forecast/messages/
>
>
I talked to the owner of the WX-FORECAST group and, although he DID
obtain permission for Larry's discussion to be posted to the list, the
owner did not know that Yahoo was making it public and he has turned
this off since it seemed to be causing some debate here. However,
this is not an isolated case - Larry's discussion is available several
places including here:
WXAMERICA
I only send the newsletter to individuals and to weather groups. These are not
public forums, but rather e-mail groups that in some instances are available
via LINKS to Yahoo and Topica. In ALL cases the moderators of those groups
asked for permission to access WEATHERAmerica.
The whole point of a copyright is simple. If someone creates an outlook, they
own it, and share it as they see fit. When viewed in its entirety, the author's
comments have less chance of being misconstrued or misinterpreted. The
newsletter is meant to stimulate discussion on weather around North America,
nothing more and nothing less.
Best Regards,
Larry Cosgrove