The New Lie: The Automobile Liability Insurance Lie
C.Tudor
The ObamaLiar claims that the upcoming legal requirement that anyone
uninsured be required to purchase an insurance policy to obtain health
coverage is just like the various state requirements for all drivers to
carry auto liability insurance. What's wrong with this? Well, for one
thing, if you don't want to buy the auto liability you can just not buy
it and stop driving and no one will fine you for it. Even more
importantly, *every* driver is obligated to purchase auto liability,
which costs a few hundred dollars a year. In the case of health care,
millions of government workers are already provided with health care by
taxpayers through *free* or nearly free insurance policies.
Additionally, all taxpayers pay an increased tax in order to provide the
tax exemption to the tens of millions of people who get their health
coverage through employer group insurance policies. The main people
helped by the Democrat health care "re-form" is the Insurance Industry
that have been pumping millions into the pockets of Democrats in order
to *buy* a health care "re-form" that will funnel hundreds of billions
of dollars of taxpayer money annually into the pockets of the Insurance
Industry, falling hardest on the lower middle class The Mandate Tax.
Democrats like to keep their bribes in their freezers. Somebody should
check the Democrat freezers, starting with The ObamaFreezer.
"An 'affordable' Health Care Public Option would be $1,000 to $1,200
annually.
If no truly 'affordable' public option, then no Obama 2012."
Anyone can make their opinion known:
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Christopher Helms
> The Automobile Liability Insurance Lie
>
> The ObamaLiar claims that the upcoming legal requirement that anyone
> uninsured be required to purchase an insurance policy to obtain health
> coverage is just like the various state requirements for all drivers to
> carry auto liability insurance. What's wrong with this? Well, for one
> thing, if you don't want to buy the auto liability you can just not buy
> it and stop driving and no one will fine you for it. Even more
> importantly, *every* driver is obligated to purchase auto liability,
> which costs a few hundred dollars a year. In the case of health care,
> millions of government workers are already provided with health care by
> taxpayers through *free* or nearly free insurance policies.
> Additionally, all taxpayers pay an increased tax in order to provide the
> tax exemption to the tens of millions of people who get their health
> coverage through employer group insurance policies. The main people
> helped by the Democrat health care "re-form" is the Insurance Industry
> that have been pumping millions into the pockets of Democrats in order
> to *buy* a health care "re-form" that will funnel hundreds of billions
> of dollars of taxpayer money annually into the pockets of the Insurance
> Industry, falling hardest on the lower middle class
I still can't believe the Republicans aren't creaming in their pants
over this and falling all over each other to announce their support of
it. Confiscating money from taxpayers and giving it to gigantic, rich
corporations so they can continue to ride roughshod over the middle
class in spiked horse shoes the middle class was forced to pay for is
21st century conservatism in its purest, most parasitical, abusive
form. This sort of thing is right up in Jim DeMint's wheelhouse.
Joe Cool
>
> The ObamaLiar claims that the upcoming legal requirement that anyone
> uninsured be required to purchase an insurance policy to obtain health
> coverage is just like the various state requirements for all drivers to
> carry auto liability insurance. What's wrong with this? Well, for one
> thing, if you don't want to buy the auto liability you can just not buy
> it and stop driving and no one will fine you for it. Even more
> importantly, *every* driver is obligated to purchase auto liability,
> which costs a few hundred dollars a year. In the case of health care,
> millions of government workers are already provided with health care by
> taxpayers through *free* or nearly free insurance policies.
> Additionally, all taxpayers pay an increased tax in order to provide the
> tax exemption to the tens of millions of people who get their health
> coverage through employer group insurance policies. The main people
> helped by the Democrat health care "re-form" is the Insurance Industry
> that have been pumping millions into the pockets of Democrats in order
> to *buy* a health care "re-form" that will funnel hundreds of billions
> of dollars of taxpayer money annually into the pockets of the Insurance
> Industry, falling hardest on the lower middle class The Mandate Tax.
> Democrats like to keep their bribes in their freezers. Somebody should
> check the Democrat freezers, starting with The ObamaFreezer.
This has GOT to be one of the biggest load of utter BULLSHIT I've ever
read.
Geno4321
Rightards are strrange crittes.
"C.Tudor" <charle...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Phlip
> This has GOT to be one of the biggest load of utter BULLSHIT I've ever
> read.
It is anti-health reform rhetoric. What other kind of load could it
possibly have been?
You expected a Shakespearean Sonnet, maybe? Or Carl Sagan explaining a
supernova? Walter Cronkite narrating a news report? John Lennon's
lyrics to "Imagine"? Martin Luther King Jr. addressing the Washington
Mall? JRR Tolkien describing a battle? Kent Beck explaining Extreme
Programming? The Who destroying their equipment? Dr Seuss teaching
adults of all ages a lesson? Thomas Edison drawing a blueprint? Linus
van Pelt describing a cloud? Julia Child stuffing a turkey? Jim Carrey
getting himself in trouble? Terence McKenna getting high? Gary Gygax
inventing RPGs? Matt Groenig diagnosing modern families? Darwin
collecting finches? Jane Roberts pwning Behaviorists?...
5182 Dead, 315 since 1/20/09
It is bullshit. It's the Baucus plan, and not what the Tudor Moran is
calling Obamacare.
5182 Dead, 315 since 1/20/09
That's why Baucus proposed it. He always wanted to be a ... Republican.
C.Tudor
The Insurance Industry has already started having parties. The
Republicans are just playing it down to the end. The Baucus bill is
essentially a Republican bill, which is now being supported by the
ObamaTapDancer. Part of a con game is "playing it down to the end."
That's the only way to win the game. The essential problem in all this
is the polarization of the two major parties. Republicans are only
interested in the richest 5%. Democrats are only interested in official
victim classes. Nobody is really interested in the people who make $30k
to $50k, the lower middle class, which make up a very large percentage
of the US population. They're going to have to start their own party if
they want to be heard.
C.Tudor
> Interesting. Stop Driving. Stop Breathing.
> Rightards are strrange crittes.
What's a "critte"?
Phlip
<ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> This has GOT to be one of the biggest load of utter BULLSHIT I've ever
> read.
>
> It is bullshit. It's the Baucus plan, and not what the Tudor Moran is
> calling Obamacare.
I thought mainline ObamaCare also "required" everyone to sign up...
And _of_course_ Baucus's plan was written by his HMO lobby employers...
5182 Dead, 315 since 1/20/09
> On Sep 20, 8:59 pm, "5182 Dead, 315 since 1/20/09"
> <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
>> This has GOT to be one of the biggest load of utter BULLSHIT I've ever
>> read.
>>
>> It is bullshit. It's the Baucus plan, and not what the Tudor Moran is
>> calling Obamacare.
>
> I thought mainline ObamaCare also "required" everyone to sign up...
Yeah, but no fine if you don't. And no mandatory payments regardless of
income.
Foxtrot
>Christopher Helms wrote:
>> I still can't believe the Republicans aren't creaming in their pants
>> over this and falling all over each other to announce their support of
>> it. Confiscating money from taxpayers and giving it to gigantic, rich
>> corporations so they can continue to ride roughshod over the middle
The GOP is no longer the party of corporate fatcats.
>> class in spiked horse shoes the middle class was forced to pay for is
>> 21st century conservatism in its purest, most parasitical, abusive form.
>> This sort of thing is right up in Jim DeMint's wheelhouse.
>
>That's why Baucus proposed it. He always wanted to be a ... Republican.
That's not it. I wonder if he has a grudge with Obama dating back to
his handful of days in the senate. It looks like he's trying to sabotage
Obama's presidency. If so, Obama is stupid not to realize he's being
duped. If not, he's stupid to think middle class voters will allow
themselves to be unexpectedly screwed out of $3800 a year.
Phlip
<ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> > I thought mainline ObamaCare also "required" everyone to sign up...
>
> Yeah, but no fine if you don't. And no mandatory payments regardless of
> income.
So I can wait until getting in trouble, scrawl an X in the hospital
foyer, and get a heart transplant? Kewl!
Now, notice that the benefit of signing up early is real, private,
insurance "actuaries" (look it up) can help manage my care over the
long term. That management will _incredibly_ lower the _odds_ that I
need a heart transplant...
5182 Dead, 315 since 1/20/09
And your problem with this is...?
5182 Dead, 315 since 1/20/09
Nah, it's just that he's an industry whore. Most all of the blue dogs
are. Dems that sold out.
Milt
> The Automobile Liability Insurance Lie
>
> The ObamaLiar claims that the upcoming legal requirement that anyone
> uninsured be required to purchase an insurance policy to obtain health
> coverage is just like the various state requirements for all drivers to
> carry auto liability insurance. What's wrong with this? Well, for one
> thing, if you don't want to buy the auto liability you can just not buy
> it and stop driving and no one will fine you for it.
And if you don't want to carry health insurance you can stop living,
and no one will fine you for it. But as long as you're alive, you are
subject to needing health care at any given time. And if you don't
have coverage, or enough cash on hand to pay for it, the rest of us
have to pick up the tab for your cheap ass.
> Even more
> importantly, *every* driver is obligated to purchase auto liability,
> which costs a few hundred dollars a year. In the case of health care,
> millions of government workers are already provided with health care by
> taxpayers through *free* or nearly free insurance policies.
No one gets free insurance except for the extremely poor. Government
workers are "working." (Perhaps you've heard of it.), which means they
are not getting "free" health care at all; it's part of their
compensation for the work they do. In fact, the federal government
pays 80%; roughly the same as private employers pay, on average. But
the point is, no one but the poor get free anything.
And by the way, numbnuts; you're already paying for health care,
anyway; you can't avoid it, legally.
> Additionally, all taxpayers pay an increased tax in order to provide the
> tax exemption to the tens of millions of people who get their health
> coverage through employer group insurance policies.
So, you agree with us that the Bush tax cuts were bullshit, huh? That
every dime NOT paid by a rich guy who got a tax break was paid by the
rest of us?
> The main people
> helped by the Democrat health care "re-form" is the Insurance Industry
> that have been pumping millions into the pockets of Democrats in order
> to *buy* a health care "re-form" that will funnel hundreds of billions
> of dollars of taxpayer money annually into the pockets of the Insurance
> Industry, falling hardest on the lower middle class The Mandate Tax.
> Democrats like to keep their bribes in their freezers. Somebody should
> check the Democrat freezers, starting with The ObamaFreezer.
>
> "An 'affordable' Health Care Public Option would be $1,000 to $1,200
> annually.
Huh? Where did you come up with that insane number? It'll probably be
about double that for singles, and triple that for families.
> If no truly 'affordable' public option, then no Obama 2012."
Who do you guys have who can beat him?
Milt
No, he's a Democratic Senator trying to survive in a state like
Montana. He has to as least be able to go back to voters and claim he
tried to kill the public option, but couldn't. Seriously, though, that
bill of his is a piece of shit; I think he did it during a drunken
weekend just before he presented it. He had to know it would go down
in flames. My favorite part had to be the section where it's perfectly
okay for insurance companies to charge up to "only" 7.5 times the base
rate for premiums. There is no way he could have possibly thought that
would fly. But while the rest of us think it's stupid and pointless,
the markup actually protects his "street cred" with Montana folks,
who, like most red states, love all the money the government sends
them, but want the government to stay the hell away. That's not to
say, of course, that when the public option is passed and it's offered
to them, Montanans won't take the government up on it, of course.
Phlip
<ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
A minority I don't like might game the system. Duh!
Milt
<ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:27:56 -0700, Phlip wrote:
> > On Sep 20, 8:59 pm, "5182 Dead, 315 since 1/20/09"
> > <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> >> This has GOT to be one of the biggest load of utter BULLSHIT I've ever
> >> read.
>
> >> It is bullshit. It's the Baucus plan, and not what the Tudor Moran is
> >> calling Obamacare.
>
> > I thought mainline ObamaCare also "required" everyone to sign up...
>
> Yeah, but no fine if you don't. And no mandatory payments regardless of
> income.
>
Actually, that's not true. Under HR 3200 (Obamacare), you're not
absolutely required to sign up, but you pay a tax of up to 8% of you
don't have an adequate health insurance plan. That money goes to pay
for the care, in the event a numbnuts without insurance ends up being
hit by a bus, or contracting meningitis from a tourist.
There's really no way a universal health plan can work if we just
allow people to decide they're too cheap to buy it.
Foxtrot
Baucus knows it's a piece of shit. Everybody who's awake, whether for or
against reform, knows it's a piece of shit. There's no way to see Baucus'
fines as anything but huge tax hikes. So WHY the hell is Obama
defending it (at least part)???
I heard Stephanpolous interview him on This Week. He denied it would
be a tax so George read him the dictionary definition of a tax. He fumbled
to differentiate between the new fines and a tax. Isn't he prepared for
these questions?
He's supposed to be so smart and popular but he's constantly on TV
pitching reform with few buying it. What's he thinking?
Steve
wrote:
>On Sep 20, 10:16�pm, "5182 Dead, 315 since 1/20/09"
><ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:27:56 -0700, Phlip wrote:
>> > On Sep 20, 8:59�pm, "5182 Dead, 315 since 1/20/09"
>> > <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> This has GOT to be one of the biggest load of utter BULLSHIT I've ever
>> >> read.
>>
>> >> It is bullshit. �It's the Baucus plan, and not what the Tudor Moran is
>> >> calling Obamacare.
>>
>> > I thought mainline ObamaCare also "required" everyone to sign up...
>>
>> Yeah, but no fine if you don't. �And no mandatory payments regardless of
>> income.
>>
>
>Actually, that's not true. Under HR 3200 (Obamacare), you're not
>absolutely required to sign up, but you pay a tax of up to 8% of you
>don't have an adequate health insurance plan. That money goes to pay
>for the care, in the event a numbnuts without insurance ends up being
>hit by a bus, or contracting meningitis from a tourist.
Shook is a numbnuts without insurance, you know... so is Jamieson
>There's really no way a universal health plan can work if we just
>allow people to decide they're too cheap to buy it.
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