spoiled milk
fred c.
found spoiled milk at my local small neighborhood corner store market.
the date was current. my refrigerator is ok. other brands are not
spoiled. i bought milk again to see if it was just that one bottle.
that one was spoiled again. this kept happening every week i bought
milk. i moved to another neighborhood. i went to local market and
tried milk there (one gallon 2%milk), and the same thing there,
spoiled milk. for some reason garlelick farms 2% gallon milk is to
often spoiled. i stop buying it and now buy any other brand and its
milk is ok.
i don't know why the garelick gallon 2% milk is often spoiled.
I searched the web for their web site. they have none (I wonder why,
hmmm.)so i posted here.
Debbie Deutsch
news:1151e0ba.03081...@posting.google.com:
I often buy Garelick "natural" half-and-half or cream and have never had a
problem.
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Dick Margulis
> alfredc...@yahoo.com (fred c.) wrote in
> news:1151e0ba.03081...@posting.google.com:
>
>
>>read messages about garelick farms spoiled milk. Absolutely correct. i
>>found spoiled milk at my local small neighborhood corner store market.
>>the date was current. my refrigerator is ok. other brands are not
>>spoiled. i bought milk again to see if it was just that one bottle.
>>that one was spoiled again. this kept happening every week i bought
>>milk. i moved to another neighborhood. i went to local market and
>>tried milk there (one gallon 2%milk), and the same thing there,
>>spoiled milk. for some reason garlelick farms 2% gallon milk is to
>>often spoiled. i stop buying it and now buy any other brand and its
>>milk is ok.
>>i don't know why the garelick gallon 2% milk is often spoiled.
>>
>>I searched the web for their web site. they have none (I wonder why,
>>hmmm.)so i posted here.
>>
>
>
> I often buy Garelick "natural" half-and-half or cream and have never had a
> problem.
>
Well, since I may be the one who sort of started this thread a few weeks
back, let me say that I consistently had problems with Garelick milk
spoiling before the sell-by date while Hood milk lasted well past the
sell-by date; but I turned the temp down a couple of notches in my
fridge and now Garelick milk lasts satisfactorily. So I still think it
is not the same quality as Hood milk, but I've made my peace with it.
Kim
wrote:
Well yes, they do, it's under their larger corporate umbrella
http://www.deanfoods.com/products/milk_cream.asp
BTW, another thing to consider is the storage practices at the store
you're getting it from. Including ones they might not wholly control,
like how long the milk sits outside the refrigerator because of when
it's delivered.
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Debbie Deutsch
news:vjv66m6...@corp.supernews.com:
Here's a perfect example of two different people having two perfectly
reasonable and different criteria for "quality". As far as I can tell,
the question here isn't really about quality, it is about the trade-off
between milk flavor and shelf life as affected by the temperature that
different companies use to pasteurize milk and how long the milk is held
at that temperature.
We all know that "ultrapasteurized" milk has been so thoroughly cooked
that it has a much longer shelf life. Some (many?) people would say that
ultrapasteurized milk has a different flavor, too. Well, there is a
lower limit for what constitutes pasteurization, and plenty of latitude
to cook the milk more than that and still call it pasteurization. The
more you cook the milk during pasteurization, the longer it stays good on
the shelf. On the other hand, some people (myself among them) think they
can tell a difference in the flavor. Some dairies cater to the people
who are seeking the less-cooked flavor. Others aim for maximizing shelf
life. I believe that Garelick caters to the group that wants the less
cooked flavor, and heats their milk to a lower temperature and/or holds
it at its pasteurization temperature than some others do (while still
within the limits of the applicable regulations, of course).
I *like* milk that has been cooked less, and always choose the least
cooked milk. To me, Garelick "natural" milk tastes better. I also like
the bottled milk from Shaw Farm. Like Garelick, it has a shorter shelf
life, but to me it tastes much nicer. I just buy smaller quantities and
shop more often. (See http://www.shawfarm.com/info.htm for Shaw Farm
milk info, including their comment about how milk flavor can be affected
by pasteurization.)
Remembering past discussions here on similar topics, it is clear that
some people prefer the flavor of milk that has been pasteurized longer or
at a higher temperature. (Perhaps because they grew up on it?)
Other people may not notice or care about the difference in flavor. To
them, perhaps, shelf life (in the refrigerator or not) is more important.
Some people like classical, others like rock. Some folks define quality
in milk by its flavor, others by its shelf life. It's really a matter of
taste (pun intended), not priorities. Chacun a son gout.
Debbie
P.S. to the previous poster: The reason why Garelick does not have its
own website is because it is no longer an independent company. If memory
serves, it was bought out in the past couple of years. Here is the
webpage for Dean Foods, showing all of the dairy brands that it owns,
including Garelick, but not showing their most recent acquisition,
Horizon (organic milk, etc.). It's kinda scary. There is a lot less
competition out there than the number of brand names indicate.
http://www.deanfoods.com/products/milk_cream.asp
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Steve Silberberg
wrote:
>i don't know why the garelick gallon 2% milk is often spoiled.
This would be a good time to look into Soy Milk to see if it's
something you'd incorporate into your diet.
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Marc Dashevsky
> On 17 Aug 2003 06:49:14 -0700, alfredc...@yahoo.com (fred c.)
> wrote:
>
> >i don't know why the garelick gallon 2% milk is often spoiled.
>
> This would be a good time to look into Soy Milk to see if it's
> something you'd incorporate into your diet.
What are the advantages of soy over dairy?
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Debbie Deutsch
news:Xns93DA7ECD1D0B9dd...@216.196.97.132:
> It's really a
> matter of taste (pun intended), not priorities.
Oops. I meant to say "It's really a matter of taste (pun intended) and
priorities, not quality.
Debbie Deutsch
news:MPG.19a97e574...@netnews.comcast.net:
>
> What are the advantages of soy over dairy?
>
No cholesterol, somewhat fewer calories.
It doesn't taste like milk, but it can be very enjoyable on its own terms.
Debbie
Dick Margulis
>
>
> Here's a perfect example of two different people having two perfectly
> reasonable and different criteria for "quality". As far as I can tell,
> the question here isn't really about quality, it is about the trade-off
> between milk flavor and shelf life as affected by the temperature that
> different companies use to pasteurize milk and how long the milk is held
> at that temperature.
>
>
Thanks for the clear explanation, Debbie. I had never considered that
factor.
Dick
Robert La Ferla
> What are the advantages of soy over dairy?
Soy milk comes from soybeans so there are no cows used in it's
production. To the PETA crowd, that is a big advantage. But it's also
good because it avoids a lot of the nastier things found in milk such as
bacteria, antibiotics, and growth hormones. Soy is also rich in Vitamin
E and other nutrients. It may have anti-inflammatory properties and
other health benefits. It also doesn't contain lactose so it's good for
people who are lactose intolerant.
I like soy milk. I tend to avoid the sweetened ones (they add sugar) or
I make it myself at home. It tastes like milk but with a slightly
different flavor. However, I still use the real stuff for recipes. You
can use it but it can change the flavor and texture of whatever you are
making.
Robert La Ferla
> This would be a good time to look into Soy Milk to see if it's
> something you'd incorporate into your diet.
Here's more PETA propaganda:
Art Hannah
>something you'd incorporate into your diet.
I don't like soy milk much, and I don't think soy is as healthy as the industry
would want you to think.
That said, I don't buy/drink cow milk either. However, I like to make smoothies
alot, so I do buy rice milk, which I really like the flavor of. Found a great
deal on it at Wild Oats this week.. a quart for 99 cents (which, I know, makes
"real" milk a bargain by comparison!).
--Art
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Art Hannah
Along the same vein, there's also
--Art
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Debbie Deutsch
$It4....@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net:
You can get milk that is free of antiobiotics and growth hormones. Organic
milk is that way. Bacteria present in milk at the time it is obtained from
the cow are killed by pasteurization. Both cow milk and soymilk do have
some small amount bacteria in them when they are bottled (cartoned?). No
matter how clean the plant, it isn't perfectly sterile.
Marc Dashevsky
> Marc Dashevsky wrote:
>
> > What are the advantages of soy over dairy?
>
> Soy milk comes from soybeans so there are no cows used in it's
> production. To the PETA crowd, that is a big advantage. But it's also
> good because it avoids a lot of the nastier things found in milk such as
> bacteria, antibiotics, and growth hormones. Soy is also rich in Vitamin
> E and other nutrients. It may have anti-inflammatory properties and
> other health benefits. It also doesn't contain lactose so it's good for
> people who are lactose intolerant.
Okay. Why is it considered a replacement for dairy? Is it simply
because it looks like milk, or is soy milk high in calcium and vitamins
A, B1, B2, and B12?
Ron Newman
Kim <kim...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> BTW, another thing to consider is the storage practices at the store
> you're getting it from. Including ones they might not wholly control,
> like how long the milk sits outside the refrigerator because of when
> it's delivered.
> The psoriasis newsgroup FAQ can be found
> at http://www.psoriasisfaq.com
> and posted twice monthly to a ng near you.
Wait - you're saying that spoiled milk can cause a skin disease?
Kim
Kozierok) wrote:
>In article <rnewman-77BD62...@news.newsguy.com>,
>My guess is a poorly-delimited .signature.
>
>peace,
Your guess is as clearly correct as Mr Newman is clearly not quite as
funny as he thinks he is.
Uri Guttman
K> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:43:12 +0000 (UTC), ix...@PCGuide.com (Charles M.
K> Kozierok) wrote:
>>
>> My guess is a poorly-delimited .signature.
K> Your guess is as clearly correct as Mr Newman is clearly not quite as
K> funny as he thinks he is.
so why is your signature not delimited by the -- (with a single space
afterwards) that is the usenet/email convention?
K> The psoriasis newsgroup FAQ can be found
K> at http://www.psoriasisfaq.com
K> and posted twice monthly to a ng near you.
almost any decent newsreader should do that for you.
uri
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Mary Malmros
> Marc Dashevsky <m_...@world.std.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.19a97e574...@netnews.comcast.net:
>
> >
> > What are the advantages of soy over dairy?
> >
>
> No cholesterol, somewhat fewer calories.
>
> It doesn't taste like milk, but it can be very enjoyable on its own terms.
OTOH, the proper type of chocolate soy drink tastes as close to
chocolate milk as makes no diff.
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Other days you're the bug.
Debbie Deutsch
news:gp7brum...@nautilus.shore.net:
> Debbie Deutsch <news...@ddeutsch.org> writes:
>
>> Marc Dashevsky <m_...@world.std.com> wrote in
>> news:MPG.19a97e574...@netnews.comcast.net:
>>
>> >
>> > What are the advantages of soy over dairy?
>> >
>>
>> No cholesterol, somewhat fewer calories.
>>
>> It doesn't taste like milk, but it can be very enjoyable on its own
>> terms.
>
> OTOH, the proper type of chocolate soy drink tastes as close to
> chocolate milk as makes no diff.
>
Yes indeed. Yum.
Robert La Ferla
> Debbie Deutsch <news...@ddeutsch.org> writes:
>
>
>>Marc Dashevsky <m_...@world.std.com> wrote in
>>news:MPG.19a97e574...@netnews.comcast.net:
>>
>>
>>>What are the advantages of soy over dairy?
>>>
>>
>>No cholesterol, somewhat fewer calories.
>>
>>It doesn't taste like milk, but it can be very enjoyable on its own terms.
>
>
> OTOH, the proper type of chocolate soy drink tastes as close to
> chocolate milk as makes no diff.
>
That's good to know. What is the proper type / brand? Have you ever
had the Bread and Circus chocolate milk in the glass bottle? I don't
think they make it anymore but it was really good.
Charles Demas
The stuff called "chocolate milk" is awful, but the stuff called
"chocolate drink" tastes pretty good.
I haven't tried any soy or rice drinks, yet.
Chuck Demas
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Mary Malmros
> In article <ikg0b.187489$o%2.90473@sccrnsc02>,
> Robert La Ferla <robertla...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >Mary Malmros wrote:
> >> Debbie Deutsch <news...@ddeutsch.org> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Marc Dashevsky <m_...@world.std.com> wrote in
> >>>news:MPG.19a97e574...@netnews.comcast.net:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>What are the advantages of soy over dairy?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>No cholesterol, somewhat fewer calories.
> >>>
> >>>It doesn't taste like milk, but it can be very enjoyable on its own terms.
> >>
> >>
> >> OTOH, the proper type of chocolate soy drink tastes as close to
> >> chocolate milk as makes no diff.
> >>
> >
> >That's good to know. What is the proper type / brand? Have you ever
> >had the Bread and Circus chocolate milk in the glass bottle? I don't
> >think they make it anymore but it was really good.
>
> The stuff called "chocolate milk" is awful, but the stuff called
> "chocolate drink" tastes pretty good.
>
> I haven't tried any soy or rice drinks, yet.
The stuff I drink is Power Dream from Imagine Foods...but at 260
calories a serving, it's something that needs to be factored in
nutritionally, not just drunk because it's there and it tastes
good. For that matter, any kind of chocolate milk is probably
pretty high in calories...a better bet than soda, because it's got
at least some nutrition, but not something you ought to be guzzling
down by the pint. I use Power Dream as a meal when I'm working out,
particularly in situations where it's inconvenient or impossible to
bring along real food (whitewater kayaking, for example), and as a
post-workout gotta-get-some-carbs-and-protein drink.
Kim
Kozierok) wrote:
>In article <qm62kvo17df3cqan4...@4ax.com>,
>Kim <kim...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>} Your guess is as clearly correct as Mr Newman is clearly not quite as
>} funny as he thinks he is.
>
>My considerable past experience with Mr. Newman suggests that he was not
>trying to be funny. :) (It was a bit unclear, and that would not be in
>the top ten of strange deleterious health effects I have seen people
>try to ascribe to common food items. ;) )
Cool. I'll grant you the unclear - I have a couple of newsfeeds and
had the blank line before the .sig in one, but not the other. Pure
carelessness on my part. But since nothing I actually said before that
would make the idea I was making that sort of claim likely vs the much
more reasonable idea that it was a .sig, it still seems to be a lot
more to do with what Mr Newman was trying to do than I. However, I'll
bow to your greater experience with him and apologize if I really
misjudged him.
Kim
Uri Guttman
K> Cool. I'll grant you the unclear - I have a couple of newsfeeds and
K> had the blank line before the .sig in one, but not the other. Pure
i will repeat myself. maybe you will read it this time. signatures are
started by a line of '-- ' and NOT a blank line. this is the accepted
form by most decent news/mail readers. you are not doing that and so
your signature is broken.
K> The psoriasis newsgroup FAQ can be found
K> at http://www.psoriasisfaq.com
K> and posted twice monthly to a ng near you.
uri
| LOOK HERE for the signature start
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Mary Malmros
> >>>>> "K" == Kim <kim...@mindspring.com> writes:
>
> K> Cool. I'll grant you the unclear - I have a couple of newsfeeds and
> K> had the blank line before the .sig in one, but not the other. Pure
>
> i will repeat myself. maybe you will read it this time. signatures are
> started by a line of '-- '
*yawn*
Uri Guttman
MM> Uri Guttman <u...@stemsystems.com> writes:
>> >>>>> "K" == Kim <kim...@mindspring.com> writes:
>>
K> Cool. I'll grant you the unclear - I have a couple of newsfeeds and
K> had the blank line before the .sig in one, but not the other. Pure
>>
>> i will repeat myself. maybe you will read it this time. signatures are
>> started by a line of '-- '
MM> *yawn*
well, she was saying her signature was fine. it wasn't. sorry if you are
bored.
uri
Mary Malmros
> >>>>> "MM" == Mary Malmros <mal...@shore.net> writes:
>
> MM> Uri Guttman <u...@stemsystems.com> writes:
> >> >>>>> "K" == Kim <kim...@mindspring.com> writes:
> >>
> K> Cool. I'll grant you the unclear - I have a couple of newsfeeds and
> K> had the blank line before the .sig in one, but not the other. Pure
> >>
> >> i will repeat myself. maybe you will read it this time. signatures are
> >> started by a line of '-- '
>
> MM> *yawn*
>
> well, she was saying her signature was fine. it wasn't. sorry if you are
> bored.
You're noodging, Uri. It's a food newsgroup; throw in some ob.food
for us at least, willya?
Uri Guttman
MM> You're noodging, Uri. It's a food newsgroup; throw in some ob.food
MM> for us at least, willya?
ok, it is morning and i am hungry. what should i eat?
and i made a wicked fruit salad last night from peaches, watermelon,
strawberries (too slow as much of the box molded), charlyn melon (very
sweet), galia melon (discovered a few years ago and a favorite when we
can get it), and cantaloupe.
fresh summer fruit salads are the best!!
Kim
wrote:
>>>>>> "MM" == Mary Malmros <mal...@shore.net> writes:
>
> MM> Uri Guttman <u...@stemsystems.com> writes:
> >> >>>>> "K" == Kim <kim...@mindspring.com> writes:
> >>
> K> Cool. I'll grant you the unclear - I have a couple of newsfeeds and
> K> had the blank line before the .sig in one, but not the other. Pure
> >>
> >> i will repeat myself. maybe you will read it this time. signatures are
> >> started by a line of '-- '
>
> MM> *yawn*
>
>well, she was saying her signature was fine. it wasn't. sorry if you are
>bored.
No, she didn't say any such thing. Perhaps before you yell at other
people to 'actually read', you might try it yourself. And no, sigs
are not necessarily started by a line of -----------
Kim
The psoriasis newsgroup FAQ can be found
at http://www.psoriasisfaq.com
BreadW...@fractious.net
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:15:03 GMT, Uri Guttman <u...@stemsystems.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> "MM" == Mary Malmros <mal...@shore.net> writes:
> >
> > MM> Uri Guttman <u...@stemsystems.com> writes:
> > >> >>>>> "K" == Kim <kim...@mindspring.com> writes:
> > >>
> > K> Cool. I'll grant you the unclear - I have a couple of newsfeeds and
> > K> had the blank line before the .sig in one, but not the other. Pure
> > >>
> > >> i will repeat myself. maybe you will read it this time. signatures are
> > >> started by a line of '-- '
> >
> > MM> *yawn*
> >
> >well, she was saying her signature was fine. it wasn't. sorry if you are
> >bored.
>
> No, she didn't say any such thing. Perhaps before you yell at other
> people to 'actually read', you might try it yourself. And no, sigs
> are not necessarily started by a line of -----------
No, they are not.
They are started by a line which contains exactly two dashes and a space.
You still don't get it, do you? Uri's right. See below for
an example.
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Uri Guttman
K> No, she didn't say any such thing. Perhaps before you yell at other
K> people to 'actually read', you might try it yourself. And no, sigs
K> are not necessarily started by a line of -----------
they aren't necessarily started that way (yours as a fine example) but
they are supposed to be started that way. the confusion in this thread
arose because of the last of a sigdash in your post.
http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mail/sig.etiquette.html#rules
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/signature_finger_faq/section-20.html
and from http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4500
Another thing about the signature is the correct
delimiter. Usually, your newsreader will provide the correct
delimiter itself, but in case you want to supply your own,
please notice that the only correct delimiter is ``''. The
delimiter (or ``sigdash'') allows other programs to recognize
when the body of your message is finished and where the sig
begins--this is useful for automatically removing the sig when
quoting for a followup, as well as coloring it a different
color, archiving and various other things.
there are many other pages that cover sigdash as the signature
delimiter.
obfood:
costco in waltham has reorganized and expanded their fresh food and deli
area in the back. they now have a large cheese department along with
more selections. cabot cheddar is still sold in 2lb blocks with the 2yo
only $4.49/lb IIRC. i got a 3lb salmon filet at $3.99lb. gonna slice it
into 3 servings, freeze two and cook one tonight. broiled with a olive
oil/butter her composition with lemon thyme from our yard. yum!