Results on RUSA site

[li...@jkassen.org]

Hey NERds-

I noticed that the RUSA website is now listing the finishing times for riders. This is a change -- perviously they only listed
events riders had completed. We're going to continue posting results to the NER site within a few days of an event but if
you want to see the times in another place, now you can. (The results are submitted to RUSA within 10 days of an
event.) This has the advantage of displaying all your results in the same place regardless of where you rode the brevet in
the US.

You'll only see the results of events you did after becoming a RUSA member, but membership is not required to see the
results.

http://www.rusa.org/cgi-bin/resultsearch_GF.pl

I'm not sure why they weren't doing this all along....

Jake

[davez2bike]

Even more good news - this has been done "retro" in that the results
from years ago (even before the new approach was adopted now show up -
with Jake's RUSA membership caveat).

Now one can see one's times through the ages (or the effect of aging)
in the results without going to multiple archived results sites.

Also, for those of you doing Permanents, the finish times for those
are also displayed.

Cheers!
Dave Z.

[li...@jkassen.org]

> Even more good news - this has been done "retro" in that the results
> from years ago (even before the new approach was adopted now show up -
> with Jake's RUSA membership caveat).
>

Another neat feature is the ability to list all results from all events for one RUSA location. List all Boston events going back
to 1999 and see how rider's RUSA numbers increase over time. Not many "founding" members left riding events anymore
with a few notable exceptions. Seems like the average intrest duration is 3-5 years. I wonder how NER/BBS compares to
other series in this regard.

Jake

[Massimiliano Poletto]

But some people move, too.

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[littlecirclesvt.com :: mike beganyi]

The whole RUSA site is done in 'retro'...

;)

In need of a facelift and re-design for sure.

[Dale Lougee]

You bring up a very good point. Including myself, I can think of maybe 5 of
the "founding fathers" that are still riding although I hope there are more.
What concerns me more is when I read the RUSA magazine and look at the new
member list. Very few seem to be from the New England area. Does anyone
have any ideas on how to turn this around? Dale

[Dave Jordan]

A couple of responses to Dale's email...

1) 5 of the 8 original founders of RUSA have recorded RUSA milage (kilage?)
in 2011 and/or 2012. 3 have miles this year, including Lois Springsteen
who seems to have over 2500 km so far this year.

2) I think part of the reason that New England doesn't seem to get a lot of
new riders (relative to the rest of the country) is that the New England
brevets have been long established - I think the original Boston brevets
took place in 1987, so that's like 25 years. Many other areas of the
country are newcomers to the party, so they build up riders in their area
fairly quickly and then begin to level off.

On the other hand, the recent Boston 200k had 70 finishers...that's pretty
good for any part of the country and especially in New England where there
are a number of other 200's in reasonable driving distance.

3) Finally, if you really want to attract new riders for more than a 100k,
you might want to offer some (longer) events which are more approachable
for the average rider.

Dave

[Russ Loomis]

Yes! Start all brevets, 200 - 600k, at 7 AM instead of 1 AM or 4AM. I am still riding those distances on my own but not as brevets because of the start times. I know more than a few that feel as I do that those early starts just are not fun anymore.

Russ

[li...@jkassen.org]

> Yes!��Start all brevets, 200 - 600k, at 7 AM instead of 1 AM or 4AM.��I am still riding those distances on my own but
not as brevets because of the start times.��I know more than a few that feel as I do that those early starts just are not fun
anymore.

YES! This has my vote.

The reason for the early morning start times is that it allows the ride to end at a reasonable hour. Start a 300k at 4am and
the last riders will get in around midnight. If you started it at 6 or 7 riders would be out when the bars get out and the organizer would need to stay up until 3-4am. Is this enough of a concern to warrant a 4am start? I'm leaning toward
no....

Jake

[pamela blalock]

I would love later start times as well. Better weather would help!

pamela blalock
watertown, ma

http://blayleys.blogspot.com

[Russ Loomis]

The RBA is up at 3-4 AM either way ( before the start or for the finish ).  When you get into the 400 and 600 riders are out when bars close anyway.  I have always gone into those 1 - 4 AM starts with no sleep so at the end of the rides I am sleep deprived.  The lack of sleep and the long recovery hurts my training.  I would like to ride brevets again but not at this expense.  For now I will continue to ride my 400k, 600k, and longer ride by myself or with a few friends who also like to start well rested.

Russ

Jake

[Charles Coldwell]

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Russ Loomis <cycle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes!  Start all brevets, 200 - 600k, at 7 AM instead of 1 AM or 4AM.

+1

--
Charles M. Coldwell, W1CMC
Belmont, Massachusetts, New England
"Turn on, log in, tune out"

[Bruce...@gdc4s.com]

> Yes!  Start all brevets, 200 - 600k, at 7 AM instead of 1 AM or 4AM.

 

For this year, I'd prefer to leave the start times alone to avoid miscommunication with riders; I'd rather not have riders who preregistered well in advance showing up at 4AM and finding nobody there.

 

For next year, start time can be up to the ride organizer as far as I'm concerned.  If this makes it easier to find ride organizers, so much the better.

 

I have some logistical concerns with a late start on the 600km.  It would require moving the overnight control to earlier in the ride (say the 300km mark), and that won't allow as much rest because riders will have built up proportionally less time margin by that point to make up by the next control.  It may also require yet another 600km route, since the route has to be designed around the overnight control location.  It also means that riders finishing near the 40h mark (and the ride organizer) are more likely to need to take Monday (instead of Friday) off, since they'd be finishing at 11PM.

 

As RBA, I have quite a bit of concern for allowing riders adequate rest on the 600km, since it lowers the risk of a fatality.

 

The easiest out may be to offer an optional, later start time on the 600km next year for faster riders, with the same finishing time for all.  This used to be done on the 400km, although it was before RUSA existed; I'm not sure if RUSA rules would allow it at this point.

 

thanks, Bruce

[littlecirclesvt.com :: mike beganyi]

Something else to consider is business open / close times. For fully staffed controls this isn't an issue (usually) - but for our VT rides, I have to juggle start time vs. business closing times along the route. And not just for controls - but for re-supply in between.

Our Lake 300k will require late finishers to carry supplies for the last ~50-60 miles, and use an information control at the last stop.

Our Champlain Valley 400k is pretty much self supported for anyone coming in early morning (me last year) from Ludlow to the finish - ~85 miles, with only a water spigot at a bike shop as resupply. I suffered on that leg - everything I bought in Ludlow was not what I wanted further up the road...

Of course - a solution for the 400k might be a midnight start - but then I'm sure that I would have some riders that were grumpy about that...

That all said - if anyone wants to sit and staff a resupply on our 400k in Rochester, VT this year - please do be in touch. I can add a control - and you'd need to be available for about 10+ hours.

And, I also look at traffic and locations for riders as they move up the course. Easier on short events, harder as the longer events spread riders out as the move up the course. Early start times for VT mean we get out of town on quiet roads - and I can route us back in (the fast guys and gals with a bit more traffic) on secondary roads - only dealing with city traffic for the last 4-5 miles.

-Mike