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[Chandler Miller]

Perhaps I am mistaken, but I believe the NCIFL bylaws state that, as you mentioned, all competitors must be enrolled in at least one credit at a post-secondary institution, but it does not say they must be involved in that college's club. 

For that reason, and since we check college IDs at registration, can fencers simply be excluded from NCIFL club rankings yet still fence if they are not registered under any NCIFL club?

Best,

C.J.

President of Cal Fencing

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Thom Cate <fence...@gmail.com> Mar 06 07:06AM -0800  

Dear all,
 
While perusing the FRED page for this Saturday's tournament, I noted
several entries for "club" that were not colleges.
 
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[Thom Cate]

Dear Chandler,

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "club rankings," but I'll try to address your question as best I can.

Fencers competing at any NCIFL event must be enrolled in at least one unit in the current academic interval, and must be able to produce a currently valid ID from that institution. It is under this flag that all fencers compete, even if a given fencer hasn't ever even once fenced with a college's club.

That would be weird for that school, but would anyone notice?

So, let's advance this idea with a thought experiment.  Members of Club A from College A shows up to a competition, along with other NCIFL clubs. However, perhaps a student (call her Fencer A*) from College A heard about the tournament but has somehow never heard of Club A. Fencer A* will join the competition and her accomplishments will reflect on College A and Club A.

However...

The NCIFL does not exclude the possibility of more than one fencing group per institution (UCD has two, UCDFC and DXC--Davis Experimental College, which simply doesn't compete--but they could). If a second group wanted to be formally distinct from the first, there's nothing in the language of the bylaws preventing it. 

Regardless, all competitors must--in one form or another--represent their source institution for competition in NCIFL.

I hope I've addressed your question; if this becomes a greater issue, or if there is a real and pressing need for pre-saturday conversation, I'll do my best to be available.

Best,

Thom

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