What if.. II
Chris Brown
Jim Poushinsky (ae...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> And I never said you said that. I asked how you determine whether what a
> person says they experience is real. With the dunking stool, the proof
> that someone was telling the truth in saying they were not a witch was
> that they drowned. What effect do you think your interrogation of someone
> who says they had a UFO abduction experience might be? What methods do you
> want to use to test the truth of their statement?
I'm not saying that anyone's lying or that they even should be tested..
I'm saying, once again, consider that there might the so-called abductions
might have been a figment of the person's imagination, without them
realizing it. You can't just automatically assume everything is a UFO just
because you want it to be.. there ARE alternate explanations.
> I'm just saying you should think of what else it might have been before
> you assume it's what you think it is.
>
> A UFO would hardly be an unidentified flying object if observers could
> recognize it as something else that they know about. Everybody tries to
> make sense of what's happening in terms of what they already know, it's
> when events don't fit with our understanding that we label it a UFO.
That doesn't mean that it *IS* a UFO, though.. what if I see a bright
glowing light in the dark, heading towards the airport, should I just
assume it's a UFO because it appears to be moving slower than your average
airliner and because it's brighter than any star in the sky and be on my
way, or should I wait to see if might actually be a plane?
> Contact with the Star Nations or with Higher Dimensional Beings is a
> reality that some readers here have experienced.
How do you know those aren't stories that they've just concocted in their
own minds and have told them so many times that they themselves believe
what they're saying?
> If you haven't and are
> convinced such things don't happen there is no way you can understand.
It's not that I'm not convinced, it's that I take a realistic approach
before assuming it's what I want to see. If something nobody had ever seen
before had landed on my front lawn and there was definate evidence that it
was there and 50 people saw it, yes, I would be convinced that it might be
something unexplainable.. but if it's just a memory with no proof of the
event ever taking place, how can you possibly assume that it actually did
happen?
> On the other hand, if your interest is because you have had such contact
> and don't consciously remember, that might explain your fascination with
> the subject, and your zeal in trying to explain it away "scientifically".
I don't know for sure, and I never will until I have concrete evidence to
prove that anything ever did happen.
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Jim Poushinsky
Chris Brown (ba...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>
> I'm not saying that anyone's lying or that they even should be tested..
> I'm saying, once again, consider that there might the so-called abductions
> might have been a figment of the person's imagination, without them
> realizing it.
That's what everybody assumes, just like everybody used to assume the
world was flat. If you want to go beyond the commonly held beliefs you
have to consider the possibility that the world is round, that the earth
goes around the sun, that UFO encounters do happen! To paraphrase your
words - consider that the so-called abductions might have been true,
without people realizing it. This opens the possibility of discovering
new worlds, just as Columbus' contrary belief that the world was round
led to the rediscovery of America, and Magellan and Drake's
circumnavigations of the globe.
>> I'm just saying you should think of what else it might have been before
>> you assume it's what you think it is.
Good advice, do you follow it?
> That doesn't mean that it *IS* a UFO, though.. what if I see a bright
> glowing light in the dark, heading towards the airport, should I just
> assume it's a UFO because it appears to be moving slower than your average
> airliner and because it's brighter than any star in the sky and be on my
> way, or should I wait to see if might actually be a plane?
If you're seriously asking my advice, I suggest you talk to it and ask it
to demonstrate to you that it is a UFO. Many witnesses have had telepathic
contacts with the occupants of extra-terrestrial craft.
> How do you know those aren't stories that they've just concocted in their
> own minds and have told them so many times that they themselves believe
> what they're saying?
How do you know anything you are told by another person is true? If that
person is someone you know and trust you will be more inclined to believe.
And if the experience is something that happens to you what more proof do
you need? People who have had UFO encounters know they are real. It's
people who are in denial who have difficulty accepting this reality, and
no amount of proof will convince them. Fear is a mind-block which leads
people to either fight or flee. Fear of ETs causes people to deny the
possibility of such contacts and to attack and ridicule those who know
or believe.
> It's not that I'm not convinced, it's that I take a realistic approach
> before assuming it's what I want to see. If something nobody had ever seen
> before had landed on my front lawn and there was definate evidence that it
> was there and 50 people saw it, yes, I would be convinced that it might be
> something unexplainable.. but if it's just a memory with no proof of the
> event ever taking place, how can you possibly assume that it actually did
> happen?
How can you know that any event in your memory actually occured? You just
know, that's all. You don't require 50 witnesses, it is enough that you
were present. I'm inclined to believe your first-hand experience, why
should I doubt you? Why should you doubt yourself?
> I don't know for sure, and I never will until I have concrete evidence to
> prove that anything ever did happen.
Keep looking, I think you'll find it!
Try giving your sub-conscious permission to reveal the truth in your dreams.
Cheers
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Chris Brown
Jim Poushinsky (ae...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> I'm not saying that anyone's lying or that they even should be tested..
>> I'm saying, once again, consider that there might the so-called abductions
>> might have been a figment of the person's imagination, without them
>> realizing it.
>
> That's what everybody assumes, just like everybody used to assume the
> world was flat. If you want to go beyond the commonly held beliefs you
> have to consider the possibility that the world is round, that the earth
> goes around the sun, that UFO encounters do happen!
Once again.. do you have concrete evidence to prove that so-called UFO
encounters were really UFO encounters? No? Then i rest my case.
> To paraphrase your
> words - consider that the so-called abductions might have been true,
> without people realizing it.
But since there isn't anything to prove that it did, nobody can realize it
until it can be proven.
> This opens the possibility of discovering
> new worlds, just as Columbus' contrary belief that the world was round
> led to the rediscovery of America, and Magellan and Drake's
> circumnavigations of the globe.
This is nothing new, this is just seeing what you want to see.. and that's
a pretty naive way to look at UFOlogy.
>>> I'm just saying you should think of what else it might have been before
>>> you assume it's what you think it is.
>
> Good advice, do you follow it?
All the time.. I make sure that what I'm seeing isn't something else
before I assume it's what I want it to be.. and so far, I have never seen
anything that was a UFO. What I *have* seen are planes and helicopters
travelling parallel to my viewpoint so that they look like UFOs until I
wait a few minutes and find out they aren't.
>> That doesn't mean that it *IS* a UFO, though.. what if I see a bright
>> glowing light in the dark, heading towards the airport, should I just
>> assume it's a UFO because it appears to be moving slower than your average
>> airliner and because it's brighter than any star in the sky and be on my
>> way, or should I wait to see if might actually be a plane?
>
> If you're seriously asking my advice,
When did I ask? I don't remember doing that..
>> How do you know those aren't stories that they've just concocted in their
>> own minds and have told them so many times that they themselves believe
>> what they're saying?
>
> How do you know anything you are told by another person is true? If that
> person is someone you know and trust you will be more inclined to believe.
Not necessarily.. not if I know in my own mind that I can't prove that it
ever happened because I never saw it myself.
> And if the experience is something that happens to you what more proof do
> you need?
What if it was a very life-like dream and you're not sure if it really
happened or was it really a dream? Then how can you say it ever happened
without being sure that it happened?
> People who have had UFO encounters know they are real.
They know that the encounters were real in their own mind.. that doesn't
mean anything ever happened.
> people to either fight or flee. Fear of ETs causes people to deny the
> possibility of such contacts and to attack and ridicule those who know
> or believe.
And then there are the people who know what reality is and make sure that
their expriences are real before telling the world that everything that
happened in a dream last night was real.
>> It's not that I'm not convinced, it's that I take a realistic approach
>> before assuming it's what I want to see. If something nobody had ever seen
>> before had landed on my front lawn and there was definate evidence that it
>> was there and 50 people saw it, yes, I would be convinced that it might be
>> something unexplainable.. but if it's just a memory with no proof of the
>> event ever taking place, how can you possibly assume that it actually did
>> happen?
>
> How can you know that any event in your memory actually occured? You just
> know, that's all.
I don't. How do you know that you were just born yesterday and that all of
your memories weren't just implanted into your head? You don't. Reality is
subjective.
> You don't require 50 witnesses, it is enough that you
> were present.
It'll be a lot easier to prove that 50 people saw it than one person. If
50 people see something collectively, you can easily confirm that it
exists, unless something odd were to happen like, say, somebody dumped LSD
into the water supply and the 50 people that were affected by it all saw
UFOs while they were tripping.
>> I don't know for sure, and I never will until I have concrete evidence to
>> prove that anything ever did happen.
>
> Keep looking, I think you'll find it!
>
> Try giving your sub-conscious permission to reveal the truth in your dreams.
Dreams are dreams and might very possibly prove nothing.