Changing times - books on auction
Michael S.
issues a few years ago, and general economic woes caused me to quit that and
do something less physically demanding. Seeing that I'm likely to not get
back into it enough to justify the big drafting table and three shelves of
reference books, I'm selling some.
Much of my work concentrated on the use of native plants (though I did use
the occasional Jap Maple and pine tree, I proudly can say I never planted a
Bradford Pear.) Some of the books I have on auction might be of interest to
some here.
Here's a link to one, and from there you can find the others:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11112&item=2900007625
Faye
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> Much of my work concentrated on the use of native plants (though I did use
> the occasional Jap Maple and pine tree, I proudly can say I never planted
a
> Bradford Pear.)
Bless your heart! I am so bored with BPears! Diversity includes the
occasional Jap Maple and pine and they are fun to have, but I am worn out on
the BPears!
Faye
Ktreemn
>> Much of my work concentrated on the use of native plants (though I did use
>> the occasional Jap Maple and pine tree, I proudly can say I never planted
>a
>> Bradford Pear.)
>
>Bless your heart! I am so bored with BPears! Diversity includes the
>occasional Jap Maple and pine and they are fun to have, but I am worn out on
>the BPears!
>
>Faye
Bradford Pear is an AWFUL tree~!
"If you want a Bradford, buy an Aristocrat Pear."
If I had every tree I wanted, I may plant Bradfords at the back of forty acres,
far in the distance, if I didn't expect to outlive them, which isn't long.
(20yrs)
They split and fall on the ground~!
Ya'll are *so* smart~! Like me~!~ : )
I bet brit and Rich have Bradfords ; ) Lala
Michael S.
serviceberry (amelanchier) carolina silverbell (halesia) or perhaps a
male/female pair of deciduous hollies. Not that they "looked like" callery
pears, but they might have the shape, fall colour, or leaf retention. Plus,
it just felt cool planting something I knew would grow and make people
happy.
Ever had a serviceberry pie? And how many mockingbirds did you have to chase
away to get 'em?
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Michael S.
and each ice storm splits more of them in half. Those that haven't split
along OH Blvd, they've had to creatively "sculpt" to allow for traffic.
For a callery pear (or which Bradford is one, and the cheapest) Aristocrat
or Capital are likely better choices.
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Richard Thomas
>I bet brit and Rich have Bradfords ; ) Lala
I don't think so. Though I don't really know what kind of trees we
have to be honest. I'm pretty sure none of them are pear of any kind
though.
My parents had a pear tree. Smalles, hardest nastiest pears you could
hope not to have. They also had a plum tree for a while but that was a
bugger for attracting wasps so it came down.
I wouldn't mind a cherry tree. Wouldn't know where to put it though :(
Rich
Jim Garrett
<michael.saw...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Those that haven't split
> along OH Blvd, they've had to creatively "sculpt" to allow for traffic.
Not only there, on OHB, but trees seem sculpted by traffic just
about everywhere. I thought they were sculpted _by_ traffic (large
trucks and vans breaking limbs as they go past). Are you saying
people get out there with saws and loppers and manually trim those
shapes?
Jim
Michael S.
in Maryland Farms about 20 years ago, they had bucket crews trying to keep
them from getting in the way of traffic. There were a few really nasty spots
where you couldn't see oncoming traffic when you were turning left.
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Ktreemn
>I doubt those along OHB are needing continued pruning now, but when I worked
>in Maryland Farms about 20 years ago, they had bucket crews trying to keep
>them from getting in the way of traffic. There were a few really nasty spots
>where you couldn't see oncoming traffic when you were turning left.
>
I appreciate your comments to this subject.
The Bradfords ought never be planted in medians, as Maryland Farms.
I was astounded, 12 yrs ago, to see what had been done.
It points to the incompetence of ldscpe architects and city officials, if not
of the nurserymen. (who can be considered unethical)
The Bradfords *will* need continued pruning, but more acutely, need "stump
grinding" ie removal.
Every creature has a talent/virtue, but selection per location requires
consideration of normal growth/shape habits. Medians need columnar/vertical
habits, (Cedar Elm, Red Oaks).
The consideration of "investment in time" is critical, yet often ignored.
The location is invested in the tree which 20 yrs later has either an asset or
a liability, as in the case of Bradford or other non-desirables.
When a tree is planted intelligently, it is suited to that location and remains
for relative eternity.
: ) Lala
Faye
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> I don't think so. Though I don't really know what kind of trees we
> have to be honest. I'm pretty sure none of them are pear of any kind
> though.
Bradford pears don't make pears. They are IMO trees for people who really
don't like trees, but who need to put something in that will pass as a tree
so as to be politically correct.
> My parents had a pear tree. Smalles, hardest nastiest pears you could
> hope not to have.
*knotty country pears* hornets love 'em, so do pigs, birds, deer, rabbits,
and other nibbling critters. They are perfect for cutting into 1/4 inch
slices to dry for stringing as garland.
They also had a plum tree for a while but that was a
> bugger for attracting wasps so it came down.
We have native plum trees and they used to make the nicest little plums that
were absolutely great for making chutney and jam, but since the Japanese
beetles have moved in it's a wonder the trees even survive. We haven't had
any plums in about five years, don't reckon we'll ever get any more.
> I wouldn't mind a cherry tree. Wouldn't know where to put it though :(
I've seen some nice small cherry trees. But the birds will beat you to
every last cherry on them. They are always willing to eat the fruit exactly
one day before it is ripe enough for us to pick.
Faye
Faye
> Ever had a serviceberry pie? And how many mockingbirds did you have to
chase
> away to get 'em?
Just put in a serviceberry last year, had berries *for a very brief time*
this year. The blueberries that have been *designed* to grow here are
really good plants. The foliage is beautiful, bright red with a twinge of
yellow, in autumn and they produce really well, though the fruit is grainy
sometimes, I think maybe that comes from drought?
Hollies are beautiful and such a needed splash of color on grey winter days.
The grandest surprise tree I've encountered is baldcypress. I got a
seedling at the Lawn & Garden fair several years ago and it has grown
quickly and is absolutely beautiful! The foliage has an evergreen fine fern
look, but it is deciduous. I read that they like wet areas, so I planted it
in a low area that used to be bushhogged twice yearly, but we've let it go
and put in tulip poplar, sycamore, and weeping willow. All the water lovers
seem to be thriving. I've tried several times to order a quantity of
baldcypress from the forestry division *of the agriculture dpt,* but they've
always been sold out. Odd I never see them anywhere.
Faye
Michael S.
I never found a "good" place for a Bradford, at least here. Perhaps southern
GA, or AL, where freezing and ice aren't a problem. (Though Dr. Dirr changed
his mind about them between the first and subsequent editions of his book)
Brads have a weird growth pattern, don't you think. All those narrow
crotches seem mildly titillating until they start widening when it freezes.
Goodness! Maybe I HAVE grown too old for landscaping!
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Michael S.
once. No knees at last report, but we were hoping for them.
I've had a serviceberry outside my backdoor for 8 years now. The first few
years I got enough berries to make a batch of (sparsely populated) muffins,
and to mix with one bowl of granola. Since then, the mockingbirds have it on
some map, and will clean it out the day they ripen. Seriously. This year
they were just starting to turn; I bought bird netting at lunch; when I got
home there were no berries left! (Visions of mockingbirds hangin' in the
hood with maps. I do live in the city.)
"Faye" <crabtre...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Ktreemn
>So, I take it "treemn" is more than a clever punching of keys?
>
>I never found a "good" place for a Bradford, at least here. Perhaps southern
>GA, or AL, where freezing and ice aren't a problem. (Though Dr. Dirr changed
>his mind about them between the first and subsequent editions of his book)
>
>Brads have a weird growth pattern, don't you think. All those narrow
>crotches seem mildly titillating until they start widening when it freezes.
>Goodness! Maybe I HAVE grown too old for landscaping!
An arborist is much different than a ldscper.
(and yes, you are too old. ; )
The Ice only exacerbates an existing problem of narrow crotch anlges, weak.
Brads will split with or w/o ice, but 15% sooner with ice.
The wood is very heavy and they all have multiple leaders, a Bad habit~!
A 20ft tall Brad can out weigh a 50 ft tall Oak.
The poor branch angles and multiple leaders cause them to split to the ground,
with weight and leverage.
Ktreemn
>Just put in a serviceberry last year, had berries *for a very brief time*
>this year. The blueberries that have been *designed* to grow here are
>really good plants. The foliage is beautiful, bright red with a twinge of
>yellow, in autumn and they produce really well, though the fruit is grainy
>sometimes, I think maybe that comes from drought?
>
>Hollies are beautiful and such a needed splash of color on grey winter days.
>
>The grandest surprise tree I've encountered is baldcypress. I got a
>seedling at the Lawn & Garden fair several years ago and it has grown
>quickly and is absolutely beautiful! The foliage has an evergreen fine fern
>look, but it is deciduous. I read that they like wet areas, so I planted it
>in a low area that used to be bushhogged twice yearly, but we've let it go
>and put in tulip poplar, sycamore, and weeping willow. All the water lovers
>seem to be thriving. I've tried several times to order a quantity of
>baldcypress from the forestry division *of the agriculture dpt,* but they've
>always been sold out. Odd I never see them anywhere.
>
>Faye
What is a serviceberry? Do I understand it is a variety of blueberry? Sounds
like exceptional fall color.
Hollies are exceptional~!
Not fond of sycamores, due to anthracnose nor willows nor hackberries, which I
see are "highly recommended" in TN; but I cannot imagine so. Many better
choices than hackberry~!
Bald cypress is a great choice for wet areas, with a nice texture and color, as
you say. Unfortunate, defoliated winter appearance and surface roots become a
problem, otherwise interesting~!
I prefer the Bc thinned, as the dendrology is excessive branching from the
trunk. : ) Lala?
Faye
> What is a serviceberry? Do I understand it is a variety of blueberry?
Sounds
> like exceptional fall color.
No, serviceberry is another small tree, I've heard it called a shrub, that
makes a berry, that as Mike noted, is much loved by our state bird. I just
tossed blueberry in because I've had good experience with them even though
some folks say the birds get all theirs. Blueberry is just a nice deciduous
bush with lovely fall color that just happens to have nice fruit too. I
like to have plants that have useful produce. I've tried to get pecan trees
started, but have been totally unsuccessful between drought and deer. An
aunt and uncle who live a couple of miles from here have several pecan trees
that provide grand harvests almost every year. Serviceberry is indigenous,
I believe, while blueberry is not. I think the only blueberries that will
grow here are hybrids as they are more at home farther north, Maine and
such.
>
> Hollies are exceptional~!
> Not fond of sycamores, due to anthracnose nor willows nor hackberries,
which I
> see are "highly recommended" in TN; but I cannot imagine so. Many better
> choices than hackberry~!
Oh, the poor much maligned hackberry! It is among the most beloved trees of
the birds around here. The hackberry is everything all in one tree, a place
to nest, a place to roost, a place to eat, a place to hang out while the
babies are learning to fly, not as popular with predators as some of the
other trees about. Sycamores, willows, and hackberries are all great
here--you have to but will one where you want it, and it will come up
thereabouts. Really. Ask my husband what happened in the corner of the big
pond where I wanted to start willow and he didn't. It is amazing that if
you give Tennessee the time and leave her alone, she will grow what needs to
grow where it needs to grow.
>
> Bald cypress is a great choice for wet areas, with a nice texture and
color, as
> you say. Unfortunate, defoliated winter appearance and surface roots
become a
> problem, otherwise interesting~!
I love the form of the baldcypress in winter, but I feel that way about most
trees. All the various imperfections and direction changes tell a story.
And when you have a place covered with water maples (ugh) surface roots on
anything else pale.
> I prefer the Bc thinned, as the dendrology is excessive branching from the
> trunk. : ) Lala?
Oh, you are one of those tree thinners! It is much more fun to let them go
and see what will be! I bet you cut the bottom limbs off trees too, huh?
So you can mow under them?
Faye
Richard Thomas
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>> I don't think so. Though I don't really know what kind of trees we
>> have to be honest. I'm pretty sure none of them are pear of any kind
>> though.
>
>Bradford pears don't make pears. They are IMO trees for people who really
>don't like trees, but who need to put something in that will pass as a tree
>so as to be politically correct.
Hmm. Don't know then. I would like to have a go at identifying the
trees here at some point. Not being particularly knowledgable about
such things, can anyone recommend a good book for doing so?
Thanks
Rich
Faye
> Hmm. Don't know then. I would like to have a go at identifying the
> trees here at some point. Not being particularly knowledgable about
> such things, can anyone recommend a good book for doing so?
I like the Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Trees. It is
cross-referenced well and there are several ways to go about identifying
trees. You might try going on one of the nature hikes that Friends of
Beaman Park offers monthly and you could probably get a lot of info that
way. http://www.beamanpark.org
Faye
Faye
> > Every creature has a talent/virtue, but selection per location requires
> > consideration of normal growth/shape habits. Medians need
> columnar/vertical
> > habits, (Cedar Elm, Red Oaks).
Would pin oaks be good for this purpose?
Faye
Michael S.
prefer, and hornbeam, some ashes.
The brad's problem along OH Blvd is that they're planted way too close to
the roadway, and that the limbs come from a central point way down low. Had
they placed them in the middle of the median, they'd have had a much better
survival rate, and could still have the "Pearfest" in the spring.
Had they planted other trees that form a rounder or more spreading crown,
they could have had some shade along the road.
(And I don't limb up trees from the bottom for mowing as much as I do for
sitting around beneath them.)
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Ktreemn
>Oh, you are one of those tree thinners! It is much more fun to let them go
>and see what will be! I bet you cut the bottom limbs off trees too, huh?
>So you can mow under them?
>
You're hassling me~! hahahahahahaha
Tennessee grows *everything*; 10X the varieties as Texas.
And your lots tend to be larger.
The effect of your abundance of trees and large property sizes, compared to
ours, is that you less value each individual tree and the problems are
forestalled.
(Compare Baseball "free agency" and why Marvin Miller beat the owners, winning
for the players) ... just a comparison. ; )
At any rate, all trees will break with or w/o weather. An arborist's job is to
identify the structural flaws, solve them, create art/beauty; allow the tree to
"work" in it's location and maximize other elements of the ldscp.
As the larger trees become massive, they dominate the location. With smaller
property lots, the need is sooner apparent.
Trees damage homes, invade roadways, and affect other flora with shade. Often
low branches must be removed for function. We like to be able to pass beneath,
we like our sun-loving plants to perform, turf and grass is better than dirt
-- there are reasons to remove low branches and reasons to prevent trees from
breaking. The object is to leave the tree as appealing as possible, solving the
problems.
Neglect is not a virtue.
Re design/selection, "a place for all, and everything in its place."
Few trees are inferior to hackberries~! ; ) Lala
Richard Thomas
<crabtre...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>I like the Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Trees. It is
>cross-referenced well and there are several ways to go about identifying
>trees. You might try going on one of the nature hikes that Friends of
>Beaman Park offers monthly and you could probably get a lot of info that
>way. http://www.beamanpark.org
>
>Faye
Eastern Region I'd guess?
Rich
Faye
> Eastern Region I'd guess?
yes
Faye
> You're hassling me~! hahahahahahaha
It was my day.
> Tennessee grows *everything*;
especially Bermuda grass, the trafficking and sowing of which should be a
felony. The problem here is not getting things to grow. The problem is
getting what you want to grow where you want it to grow when there are
xxxzillion other things that want to grow in the same spot. *Awesome* is
not a grand enough word for the vegetation in TN. I wish folks would take a
second look at some of our *weeds* aka *wildflowers.* They are quite
spectacular; it never ceases to fascinate me that *apricot* (passionflower),
with such an exotic look grows, in such mass profusion here. But, for me,
ironweed is the queen of them all, with Joe Pye as first runner-up.
10X the varieties as Texas.
> And your lots tend to be larger.
Space has a great deal to do with selecting varieties. That's why the big
trees are great choices when there's room. A lot of space here where we are
is not *yard,* so the large trees are free to grow where the birds plant
them.
> The effect of your abundance of trees and large property sizes, compared
to
> ours, is that you less value each individual tree and the problems are
> forestalled.
I don't value them less, I just like the element of surprise. And
ultimately we hold no control over what will be. We bit the bullet and got
a *nice-sized* Southern magnolia put in the front yard, had the nursery
deliver it, plant it, because we wanted instant gratification. It was all
trimmed and preened into a proper tree. The ice storm of '94 hit the next
year and the top 1/3+ of the magnolia was gone. (If you like perfect trees,
you would have croaked if you'd seen the ridge after the ice storm. Words
can't come close to describing what it looked like.) Que sera sera.
> (Compare Baseball "free agency" and why Marvin Miller beat the owners,
winning
> for the players) ... just a comparison. ; )
You've reminded me of my response to very irritating people I've encountered
over the past two and a half years that have been a Very Rough period in my
critter work as I've buried 11 of my animals who've died mostly from old age
and cancer. When I say, my hound just died of cancer, they say, but you
have so many. Yes, I reply, but everyone is the only one.
> At any rate, all trees will break with or w/o weather. An arborist's job
is to
> identify the structural flaws, solve them, create art/beauty; allow the
tree to
> "work" in it's location and maximize other elements of the ldscp.
A *stick it gardener* plants it where ever it makes her smile :) ladeedah?
> As the larger trees become massive, they dominate the location. With
smaller
> property lots, the need is sooner apparent.
> Trees damage homes, invade roadways, and affect other flora with shade.
Often
> low branches must be removed for function. We like to be able to pass
beneath,
> we like our sun-loving plants to perform, turf and grass is better than
dirt
> -- there are reasons to remove low branches and reasons to prevent trees
from
> breaking. The object is to leave the tree as appealing as possible,
solving the
> problems.
Dirt is better than Bermuda grass.
> Neglect is not a virtue.
> Re design/selection, "a place for all, and everything in its place."
"Everything in nature holds in perfection but a little moment." - Will S.
> Few trees are inferior to hackberries~! ; ) Lala
Ever seen The Birds? Be afraid, be very afraid. (They do love their
hackberries!)
Faye
Society for the Eradication of Bermuda Grass
Mary B
ktr...@aol.com (Ktreemn) wrote:
> Bald cypress is a great choice for wet areas, with a nice texture and color,
> as you say. Unfortunate, defoliated winter appearance and surface roots
> become a problem, otherwise interesting~!
When you get one of our ice storms, or early snows, you learn to
appreciate autumn defoliation. Still having a Yankee soul, I'm
bemused by Nashville property owners to dig up & replant entire
beds just to keep *something, anything* to bloom up the place. It's
all going to come back in the spring if you'd just wait :)
Mary
Faye
I was just ordering a tree for a friend on the Historic Tree Nursery site
and saw a *Wilson's Creek* chinkipin oak listed--don't see them mentioned
much! Here's what it says
The Wilson's Creek Chinkapin Oak stands on an important Civil War
battlefield 10 miles southwest of Springfield, Missouri. The battle of
Wilson's Creek on August 10, 1861, marked the opening shots of the Civil War
in neutral Missouri. The state's strategic position on the Mississippi and
Missouri Rivers made it the third most fought-over state in the war. Mixed
loyalties plagued the citizens of Missouri. Brigadier General Nathaniel
Lyon, commander of the Union forces, fought for more than five hours in an
attempt to overcome the Confederates led by Benjamin McCulloch. The Union
Army suffered heavy losses and General Lyon lost his life on a crest known
as "Bloody Hill." Barely victorious, the Southerners were unable to pursue
the fleeing Union survivors. Your tree is grown from the Wilson's Creek
Chinkapin Oak.
faye
Faye
the list.
Faye
"Faye" <crabtre...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Ktreemn
>> You're hassling me~! hahahahahahaha
>
>It was my day.
>
>> Tennessee grows *everything*;
>
>especially Bermuda grass, the trafficking and sowing of which should be a
>felony.
<snip>
>Faye
>
>Society for the Eradication of Bermuda Grass
I was previously aware of your aversion to Bermuda.
I'm just guessing it is the invasiveness to your flower beds and the incumbent
digging that raises your ire.
We find it drought tolerant and as such, the best turf option.
It wants to be cut low and often, except in the hotter month, for you. This may
be another complaint.
>A *stick it gardener* plants it where ever it makes her smile :) ladeedah?
>"Everything in nature holds in perfection but a little moment." - Will S.
>
Especially for the "stick it gardener." ; ) Lala
Ktreemn
>When you get one of our ice storms, or early snows, you learn to
>appreciate autumn defoliation.
Yep, as also Faye alludes.
More temperate climes are dominated by "Live Oaks."
(which will dominate everything, especially in an ice storm, retaining leaf
until a "molting" season in March/April.)
Live Oak is an *extraordinary* tree, growing 3X as wide as 50ft tall.
Live 300 yrs, easily~!
One must take care in choosing to plant one, but they are over-planted in urban
environments.
An *amy-azing* tree, tho ~!
until ice coats the still retained leaves~!
when the narrow angles split.
I Love them~! : ) Lala
Ktreemn
>Speaking of Chinkipin--
OH, YEP~! : )
This is my favorite, but I see it so rarely~!
It is said tio be resistant to "Oak Wilt disease,"
which has/is devastating the Oaks in Texas.
Once infected, they take only weeks to die~!
The Chinkipin has wonderful color, both top and bottom of leaf.
Superior green on top and an interesting velvet silver on the bottom ...,
much like a good woman~! hahahahahaha
The bark is nice, too; flaking ala sycamores, but less so.
The branching is graceful, with character, not too straight.
Rather, self thinning and obedient ...,
much like a good woman. hahahahahaha : ) Lala
Faye
Last week a federal appeals court reinstated legal protections for 58.5
million acres of wild national forest lands by reversing an injunction
against the Roadless Area Conservation Rule. The rule, a Clinton-era measure
that had banned most roadbuilding and logging in the remaining undeveloped
portions of the 191-million-acre National Forest System, had been challenged
by Boise Cascade and the state of Idaho. More than 1.2 million Americans had
submitted comments supporting the Roadless Rule (over 100,000 from
SaveOurEnvironment.org), an unprecedented show of public support that was
key in the court's decision.
Let's savor it when we win one. Fortunately, I have a goodly store of
Ridge-grown potatoes for the winter and I shall not have to get any from
Idaho.
Faye