Status Update - Meeting December 10th

[William Bridges]

Sorry guys, I have been slacking this month! Busy with lots of stuff.
So, the update is that the meetup for december has been moved to
December 10th. I'm processing the video from the last month meeting to
have it up by tomorrow. I have some notes below but I may have missed
some things. Please review and comment.

As part of what we discussed last meeting we wanted to choose a CMS
for our new site. Below are some of the options we discussed:

- Adva
- Radiant
- El Dorodo
- Seed
- Mephisto
- Jeckyl
- XLSuite

I'm a big fan of Adva but we should play with each one if we can and
see what's best.

We discussed some Page options for the new site:

- Home
- Mentoring
- Charter
- Calendar
- Photos
- Video
- Member Directory
-- People
-- Projects
- What we are doing
- Learning Ruby Resources
- Contact
- What Would Ruby Do? - Examples of tasks in different languages
compared to ruby.

There was some discussion of using 'prgrmr' for hosting as well.

--
Thanks,
Will Bridges

[andrew mcelroy]

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:49 PM, William Bridges <willb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry guys, I have been slacking this month! Busy with lots of stuff.
> So, the update is that the meetup for december has been moved to
> December 10th. I'm processing the video from the last month meeting to
> have it up by tomorrow. I have some notes below but I may have missed
> some things. Please review and comment.
>
> As part of what we discussed last meeting we wanted to choose a CMS
> for our new site. Below are some of the options we discussed:
>
> - Adva
> - Radiant
> - El Dorodo
> - Seed
> - Mephisto
> - Jeckyl
> - XLSuite
>

Should we begin discussion of these different programs here, or hold
the notes for the meeting?
Off hand I will say that adva feels a lot like Mephisto from a UI point of view.

> I'm a big fan of Adva but we should play with each one if we can and
> see what's best.
>
> We discussed some Page options for the new site:
>
> - Home
> - Mentoring
> - Charter
> - Calendar
> - Photos
> - Video
> - Member Directory
> -- People
> -- Projects
> - What we are doing
> - Learning Ruby Resources
> - Contact
> - What Would Ruby Do? - Examples of tasks in different languages
> compared to ruby.
>
> There was some discussion of using 'prgrmr' for hosting as well.
>

I am not aware of this host?
Is it a cloud service, vps, dedicated,shared?

Andrew McElroy


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> Will Bridges
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[William Bridges]

On Dec 3, 2009, at 3:40 PM, andrew mcelroy wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:49 PM, William Bridges
> <willb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sorry guys, I have been slacking this month! Busy with lots of stuff.
>> So, the update is that the meetup for december has been moved to
>> December 10th. I'm processing the video from the last month meeting
>> to
>> have it up by tomorrow. I have some notes below but I may have missed
>> some things. Please review and comment.
>>
>> As part of what we discussed last meeting we wanted to choose a CMS
>> for our new site. Below are some of the options we discussed:
>>
>> - Adva
>> - Radiant
>> - El Dorodo
>> - Seed
>> - Mephisto
>> - Jeckyl
>> - XLSuite
>>
>
> Should we begin discussion of these different programs here, or hold
> the notes for the meeting?
> Off hand I will say that adva feels a lot like Mephisto from a UI
> point of view.

Let's start the discussion now. I kinda like Adva out of the various
options.

>
>> I'm a big fan of Adva but we should play with each one if we can and
>> see what's best.
>>
>> We discussed some Page options for the new site:
>>
>> - Home
>> - Mentoring
>> - Charter
>> - Calendar
>> - Photos
>> - Video
>> - Member Directory
>> -- People
>> -- Projects
>> - What we are doing
>> - Learning Ruby Resources
>> - Contact
>> - What Would Ruby Do? - Examples of tasks in different languages
>> compared to ruby.
>>
>> There was some discussion of using 'prgrmr' for hosting as well.
>>
> I am not aware of this host?
> Is it a cloud service, vps, dedicated,shared?

Suggested by Levi, originally, I think. But I think it's VPS..

[andrew mcelroy]

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:44 PM, William Bridges <willb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2009, at 3:40 PM, andrew mcelroy wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:49 PM, William Bridges
>> <willb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sorry guys, I have been slacking this month! Busy with lots of stuff.
>>> So, the update is that the meetup for december has been moved to
>>> December 10th. I'm processing the video from the last month meeting
>>> to
>>> have it up by tomorrow. I have some notes below but I may have missed
>>> some things. Please review and comment.
>>>
>>> As part of what we discussed last meeting we wanted to choose a CMS
>>> for our new site. Below are some of the options we discussed:
>>>
>>> - Adva
>>> - Radiant
>>> - El Dorodo
>>> - Seed
>>> - Mephisto
>>> - Jeckyl
>>> - XLSuite
>>>

Right off the bat Jekyll can probably be struck, because it is a
static page generator.
Seed requires a specific fork of will_paginate, which is highly annoying, imho.
Furthermore, seed doesn't do anything above what Adva can do out of
the box (which you do a full install of Adva).

If anyone has any objections to striking seed, and jekyll, please speak up.

I haven't check the test coverage of seed,but i found it odd that new
relic is what i call a soft dependency.
In other words, it will complain if you don't have a free new relic
account, but you can disable it without harm.

Andrew McElroy

[andrew mcelroy]

Sorry for top posting.
XLsuite I finally got to install (it has an insane list of dependencies).

This program would be fantastic for a back office, but it is WAY
overkill for a advocacy website.

If you were trying to set up infrastructure to run an entire company,
XL suite is a serious competitor.
I was the one who mentioned this project, and I have no problem
striking it from the list.


So far I am happy with Adva, el dorado, radiant (which has gained
quiet a bit more functionality then I last realized; the different
template choices at install is quiet nice), or mephisto.

In the interest of not adding anything to the list, I'll say that if
we end up choosing mephisto then maybe we should look at typo.

Andrew McElroy

[Daniel Nelson]

Based on item #6 in this blog post and especially the comment from one
of the people who helped port Mephisto to Rails 2.2 (see the comment
by Eric Kidd), I think we should rule out Mephisto:
http://www.binarylogic.com/2009/04/19/ruby-tips-from-me-your-idol/

-Daniel

[andrew mcelroy]

I am glad it wasn't just me that felt that something was wrong with mephisto.

It seems like this is down to Adva, El dorado, or Radiant.

There has already been some support for adva, but it looks like any
one of these would
do the job listed above.

I'm going to take a second look at test coverage and the code base its
self to see if
any of these three have odd ball qualities to them.

Didn't someone write up a quick Nashville ruby site in some micro framework?
What ever happened to that git repo?

Andrew McElroy

> -Daniel

[Levi Kennedy]

I think we should go with Adva.

Why did we rule out Jekyll? I think it's great for what we want as
long as whoever manages the git repo accepts pull requests frequently
then we will be ok. What is going to be changing so much that
requires that we have a backend? Are we even going to have an active
blog? If the site is as active as this mailing list, then we don't
really need to be able to update it that often ;)

Levi

[andrew mcelroy]

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Levi Kennedy <lcke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think we should go with Adva.
>
> Why did we rule out Jekyll?  I think it's great for what we want as
> long as whoever manages the git repo accepts pull requests frequently
> then we will be ok.  What is going to be changing so much that
> requires that we have a backend?  Are we even going to have an active
> blog?  If the site is as active as this mailing list, then we don't
> really need to be able to update it that often ;)
>

If we did go with Jekyll, then imho we would be insane not to use
github pages as this would provide the hosting.

I have tended to shy away from static page generators, probably mostly
out of habit, because I don't expect the
requirements we have today to be the same that we will want tomorrow.

Technically the following is all doable with static pages:

- Home
- Mentoring
- Charter
- Calendar
- Photos
- Video
- Member Directory
-- People
-- Projects
- What we are doing
- Learning Ruby Resources
- Contact
- What Would Ruby Do? - Examples of tasks in different languages
compared to ruby.

To me, this list initially screamed cms or framework.
However, you, Levi, may have a point that this could be seen as over
engineering.

Andrew McElroy

[andrew mcelroy]

I should have added this link:
http://pages.github.com/