Updates? Touching Base
weaverryan
Just touching base - I talked to Will tonight a little bit at the RoR
meetup about how the site was going. If anybody needs a hand with
anything - drop a line here. The goal for something visible was Nov 1,
right?
Also, I talked to the head of the linux user group this morning and
explained a little bit about OSS to him. His first response was,
"isn't that what Digital Nashville does?". In other words, I think I
did a poor job of explaining - so, some of the mission statement crap
would be nice for slow-thinkers like me :)
Thanks
Marcus Whitney
Would you collaborate with Will and Travis on a mission statement. I see you as a leader in this initiave, and you can start the conversation around how we should position ourselves.
Quite often it's helpful to determine the product and the market before defining the positioning statement. You can start this conversation, and in fact you can take lead on it.
weaverryan
copy put together - that's
kinda what I do best. I'll get some thoughts put together and get them
to the group.
-Ryan
On Oct 25, 6:38 pm, Marcus Whitney <mar...@remarkablewit.com> wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> Would you collaborate with Will and Travis on a mission statement. I see you
> as a leader in this initiave, and you can start the conversation around how
> we should position ourselves.
>
> Quite often it's helpful to determine the product and the market before
> defining the positioning statement. You can start this conversation, and in
> fact you can take lead on it.
>
Marcus Whitney
Will Fitch
Calendar
Discussions
Members
Photos
Files
Marcus Whitney
Will Fitch
Agreed.
What’s our timeline for the design?
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weaverryan
both what's happening and
what's happened at any given time.
Down the road members, photos (to go with news), comments etc would be
great - let's let
the needs guide us.
So, at some point I think we'll need to create a custom site, but I
don't know when we'll be
there. Regardless, if what we have is simple, fine, but let's have it
look good and work well.
We are, after all, "web developers" by trade.
Where's the design coming from by the way? And when do we start
stealing the kids from
Microsoft? :)
On Nov 2, 7:50 pm, Will Fitch <w...@phpfever.com> wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> What’s our timeline for the design?
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Will Fitch
> Zend Certified Engineer
> Cell: 931.205.8242
> Fax: 931.914.1206
>
> From: nashvi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Whitney
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:13 AM
> To: nashvi...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Updates? Touching Base
>
> video would be a good addition. Really helps to advertise the value.
>
>
> Maybe we should consider discussing programmatic requirements at a high-level. Since this is taking a little longer than expected, let's discuss what we want out of the site eventually. These features would be nice:
>
> Calendar
> Discussions
> Members
> Photos
> Files
>
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:15 PM
> To: nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Updates? Touching Base
>
> We're waiting :)
>
> I'm on it (just slooooowly) - apologies. I can definitely get some
> copy put together - that's
> kinda what I do best. I'll get some thoughts put together and get them
> to the group.
>
> -Ryan
>
>
> > Ryan,
>
> > Would you collaborate with Will and Travis on a mission statement. I see you
> > as a leader in this initiave, and you can start the conversation around how
> > we should position ourselves.
>
> > Quite often it's helpful to determine the product and the market before
> > defining the positioning statement. You can start this conversation, and in
> > fact you can take lead on it.
>
Marcus Whitney
For those who showed up this weekend, you know we have a great momentum that we should leverage. We should get SOMETHING up soon. The calendar with the user groups is THE most important thing. Who's gonna take lead? Release early and often, remember?
m
Will Fitch
I’ll begin the development of the calendar and web service API.
Can someone come up with the graphics/CSS?
Marcus Whitney
Marcus Whitney
ZendCon, the biggest PHP conference has about 500 attendees on a good day. DrupalCon DC had over 1400 attendees (http://dc2009.drupalcon.org/news/drupalcon-dc-numbers-community-profit-and-sustainability). The reason I said in PHP we should focus on the apps, is because that is quickly becoming where the market sees PHP's core value. PHP itself is losing its user base to the apps that run on it. No, all 1400 at Drupal con werent developers, but they don't need to be. They represent a larger community of enthusiasts at this time.
So, if we want to really spin this thing up, and get help, reaching out to the Nashville Drupal and Wordpress guys is smart. And, we can get a site up with either of those solutions in no time. And then we can leverage the designers in the community who can actually design well quickly to assist us, as well as make them feel part of the OSS community, which is another win for us.
Since the respond time on this list is about 24 hours at best (due to the fact we are all busy), I think we should avoid the build option and just install an existing solution ASAP.
Will Fitch
I don't think we've really stated what our goal with this group is. As the organizer of the PUG, my audience is specifically PHP developers, which does include developers working on those apps, but not Drupal or Wordpress users specifically. If the goal of the Nashville OSS is to get all users of every technology under one umbrella, then this changes things. My hope was that we would get the technologies that support these apps and their user-base under one roof; eventually providing a single point of entry, meeting place (breaking off into separate sessions after keynotes) and build a community with that. If we are only looking to build a website to bring every technological group together, then I say we offer extend the NTC site to provide this functionality.
What are your thoughts?
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Thanks,
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Fax: (931) 914-1206
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From: nashvi...@googlegroups.com [nashvi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Whitney [mar...@remarkablewit.com]
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:53 PM
To: nashvi...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Updates? Touching Base
BTW, let me qualify this...
ZendCon, the biggest PHP conference has about 500 attendees on a good day. DrupalCon DC had over 1400 attendees (http://dc2009.drupalcon.org/news/drupalcon-dc-numbers-community-profit-and-sustainability). The reason I said in PHP we should focus on the apps, is because that is quickly becoming where the market sees PHP's core value. PHP itself is losing its user base to the apps that run on it. No, all 1400 at Drupal con werent developers, but they don't need to be. They represent a larger community of enthusiasts at this time.
So, if we want to really spin this thing up, and get help, reaching out to the Nashville Drupal and Wordpress guys is smart. And, we can get a site up with either of those solutions in no time. And then we can leverage the designers in the community who can actually design well quickly to assist us, as well as make them feel part of the OSS community, which is another win for us.
Since the respond time on this list is about 24 hours at best (due to the fact we are all busy), I think we should avoid the build option and just install an existing solution ASAP.
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Marcus Whitney <mar...@remarkablewit.com<mailto:mar...@remarkablewit.com>> wrote:
This reminds me. I was reminded this weekend that in PHP we have to focus on the apps. So if it's PHP we should pick Drupal or Wordpress. We probably should use one of those two no matter what for recruitment purposes.
Plenty of themes for both and we can release quickly.
On Nov 8, 2009, at 10:26 PM, Will Fitch <wi...@phpfever.com<mailto:wi...@phpfever.com>> wrote:
I’ll begin the development of the calendar and web service API.
Can someone come up with the graphics/CSS?
From: nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com> [mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Marcus Whitney
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:29 PM
To: <mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com> nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Updates? Touching Base
Team,
For those who showed up this weekend, you know we have a great momentum that we should leverage. We should get SOMETHING up soon. The calendar with the user groups is THE most important thing. Who's gonna take lead? Release early and often, remember?
m
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:05 PM, weaverryan <<mailto:weave...@gmail.com>weave...@gmail.com<mailto:weave...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Definitely a calendar & news section initially - I think that covers
both what's happening and
what's happened at any given time.
Down the road members, photos (to go with news), comments etc would be
great - let's let
the needs guide us.
So, at some point I think we'll need to create a custom site, but I
don't know when we'll be
there. Regardless, if what we have is simple, fine, but let's have it
look good and work well.
We are, after all, "web developers" by trade.
Where's the design coming from by the way? And when do we start
stealing the kids from
Microsoft? :)
On Nov 2, 7:50 pm, Will Fitch <w...@phpfever.com<mailto:w...@phpfever.com>> wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> What’s our timeline for the design?
>
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> From: <mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com> nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com> [mailto:<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Marcus Whitney
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:13 AM
> To: <mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com> nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Updates? Touching Base
>
> video would be a good addition. Really helps to advertise the value.
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Will Fitch <w...@phpfever.com<mailto:w...@phpfever.com><mailto:w...@phpfever.com<mailto:w...@phpfever.com>>> wrote:
>
> Maybe we should consider discussing programmatic requirements at a high-level. Since this is taking a little longer than expected, let's discuss what we want out of the site eventually. These features would be nice:
>
> Calendar
> Discussions
> Members
> Photos
> Files
>
> From: <mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com> nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com><mailto:<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>> [mailto:<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com><mailto:<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>>] On Behalf Of Marcus Whitney
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:15 PM
> To: <mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com> nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com><mailto:<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>nashvi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:nashvi...@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Updates? Touching Base
>
> We're waiting :)
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:46 PM, weaverryan <weaverr...@gmail.com<mailto:weaverr...@gmail.com><mailto:weaverr...@gmail.com<mailto:weaverr...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> I'm on it (just slooooowly) - apologies. I can definitely get some
> copy put together - that's
> kinda what I do best. I'll get some thoughts put together and get them
> to the group.
>
> -Ryan
>
> On Oct 25, 6:38 pm, Marcus Whitney <mar...@remarkablewit.com<mailto:mar...@remarkablewit.com><mailto:mar...@remarkablewit.com<mailto:mar...@remarkablewit.com>>> wrote:
>
> > Ryan,
>
> > Would you collaborate with Will and Travis on a mission statement. I see you
> > as a leader in this initiave, and you can start the conversation around how
> > we should position ourselves.
>
> > Quite often it's helpful to determine the product and the market before
> > defining the positioning statement. You can start this conversation, and in
> > fact you can take lead on it.
>
Marcus Whitney
I do think, however, that much like there are Rails users who aren't as focused on the advancement of Ruby of a language as they are of the framework, the same is happening in PHP but even more because we don't just have a plethora of frameworks that are essentially rewriting the language, we also have these applications like WP and Drupal. This is a philisophical debate though, not really why we started this thread. More than happy to discuss more though :)
Regarding the purpose of Nashville OSS:
We definitely want to demonstrate the entire ecosystem of OSS. While PHP is key to that, I know for a fact that there are people inside of HCA right now considering Drupal, but not PHP. So, Drupal is the way in which PHP can gain access into some environments. Same with WP. Mostly because they meet a business need. I think we need to include them all, but it's probably best to categorize them as an educational service from the group. We can help make the OSS ecosystem more clear to people, which would be great.
As far as the NTC, no way. I'm on the board, and that is a dead end. Nothing will happen if we go that route.
Will Fitch
Demonstrating the entire ecosystem of OSS is one thing, incorporating it under a single umbrella is another. I guess we've talked a lot about getting our message out there, but I may have misunderstood the message.
What are the goals of the Nashville OSS? What are the advantages/disadvantages for each of these goals? What are the expected battles? How will we overcome/implement these goals?
Those questions are for everyone.
Thoughts?
Marcus Whitney
William Bridges
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Feel free to include me and I'll do whatever I can in the meantime.
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