Christianity in Arabia in the Pre-Islamic and Early Islamic Eras

[rami....@gmail.com]

Dear Friends,

I wanted to ask if you could direct me to bibliography concerning the Christian influences on Arabia,

and the Christian presence there, in the pre-Islamic and early Islamic eras.

Thanks,

Rami.

[Myriam Wissa]

Dear Rami,

 

There are obviously some  indication in Arabic Historiography.  At first hand take a look on

 al-Tabari . He mentions variously the Christian Arabs of Arabia as well as the presence of Christian Arabs among conquerors.

 

 

Best.

Myriam 

 

 

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[Najeeb Awad]

I would allow myself to invite you to look at

Najib Awad, "Is Christianity from Arabic? Examining Two contemporary Arabic Proposals on Christianity in the Pre-Silamic Period," in Orientalische Christen und Europa Kulturbegegnung zwischen Interferenz, Partizipation und Antizipation, Martin Tamcke (ed.), Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag, 2012, pp. 33-58

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[Bishara Ebeid]

Dear Rami, 

You can read the first articles in the volume

 Winkler Dietmar, Syriac Churches Encountering Islam. Past Experiences and Future Perspectives (Pro Oriente Studies in Syriac Tradition 1), Gorgias Press, New Jersey 2010.

If you need it i can send it to you in pdf,

wish u all the best,

Bishara Ebeid

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[William Hume]

Dear Dr. Tanous,
Please consider looking at the work which was published by Irfan Shaheed around 1990, concerning the situation of south-west Arabia (viz., Yemen) from Byzantine sources.  It discussed the situation of Christians and Jews there quite a bit.  I am sorry I do not have the name of the book at hand, but I am sure you will find it on the internet.  I remember when it first hit the academic community: Prof. Poonawalla in 1991 called it "eye-opening", because it produced such a different picture from what was, up until then, mostly obtained from the Arabic Islamic sources.

Prof. Shaheed was at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. for most of his career... but he most likely would be retired by now.  He was friendly and outgoing, and gave encouragement to younger scholars.  If he is alive and still well, then you should contact him about this topic; I know that he will be an enormous help to you. 
Best wishes, WSH

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Subject: [nascas] Christianity in Arabia in the Pre-Islamic and Early Islamic Eras

[Jack B. Tannous]

Irfan Shahid is still very much alive and well and is active in the community of Dumbarton Oaks as well as that of Georgetown University, where he is now emeritus.  His wife, Mary, is often with him at events.  He is working on two books right now, on Byzantium and Muhammad and on Byzantium and the early Islamic conquests.  These will be what he calls the ‘climax’ of his decades of research—as I am sure most on the list know, he has published a number of books and articles related to Christianity and the Arabs before Islam.  I am sending along one of them which may be a useful starting point….

[SAMIR Khalil]

Dear Bishara,
Would it be possible to get a pdf of Dietmar's book?
If it could be useful for you, I have a (not excellent but searchable) pdf of Gabriele Winkler, Studies in Early Christian Liturgy and Its Context.
Wa-dumta!
Fr. Samir

 

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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 00:16:23 +0100

Subject: Re: [nascas] Christianity in Arabia in the Pre-Islamic and Early Islamic Eras

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[Bishara Ebeid]

Dear fr. Samir,

i will do, and it would be great if i can get the book of Gabriele Winkler, Studies in Early Christian Liturgy and Its Context

[ephrem ishac]

Dear Jack, 

I think one of the excellent references would be (which you might already know):

TRIMINGHAM, John Spencer, Christianity among the Arabs in Pre-Islamic Times, London, Longman, 1979. ( republished by Librairie du Liban, Beirut 1990). 

Although it is out of print, but if you want I can scan it to you. 

Ephrem

[Hainthaler, Theresia]

Dear colleagues,

a short overview might be found in the paper included, published Wiesbaden 2012. I still do appreciate Trimingham which has a lot of material – I did not come across some lack – and is rather sober in his judgment. My own book Christliche Araber vor dem Islam. Verbreitung und konfessionelle Zugehörigkeit. Eine Hinführung = Eastern Christian Studies 7 (Louvain 2007) unfortunately is only in German.

Best wishes

Theresia

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[Barbara Roggema]

Dear all,   Here are three more useful titles:   --Greg Fisher, Between Empires: Arabs, Romans, and Sasanians in Late Antiquity, Oxford, 2011 (1.Introduction, 2.Aspects of Arab Christianization in Late Antiquity, 3.Empires, Clients, and Politics, 4.Arabic, Culture, and Ethnicity, 5.Between Empires: the Jafnids, the Nasrids, and Late Antiquity, 6.The Jafnids and History in East and West) --Fergus Millar, ‘Christian Monasticism in Roman Arabia at the Birth of Mahomet’, Semitica et Classica, 2 (2009), 97–115 (The purpose of this article is to set in context the Syriac letter written in CE 569/570 and subscribed by one hundred thirty seven Archimandrites from the Roman province of Arabia. It examines the geographical shape of the province in the 6th century, the distribution of its episcopal sees and the ethnic and linguistic character of its population. The predominant language in the documentary evidence, including mosaic inscriptions from churches, is Greek. But while the letter, preserved in Syriac, was probably written originally in Greek, only twenty of the 137 Archimandrites record having given their “subscriptions” in Greek. An English translation of the subscriptions is offered. The article further explores the personal nomenclature and the ecclesiastical ranks of the signatories, leaving the complex question of the geographical distribution of the monasteries named to the article by R. G. Hoyland.) --Robert Hoyland, ‘Late Roman Provincia Arabia, Monophysite Monks and Arab Tribes: a Problem of Centre and Periphery’, Semitica et Classica, 2 (2009), 117–139 (This paper continues the exploration of the socio-political situation in the province of Arabia at around the time of the birth of the prophet Muhammad that was initiated by Fergus Millar in the preceding article. However, whereas Fergus Millar approaches this topic from the perspective of the imperial authorities, I am trying to see it through the eyes of the Ghassanid Arab phylarchs and the monks who inhabited this province. I use the letter disavowing tritheism signed by the Monophysite archimandrites of Arabia to examine the geographical distribution of the Monophysite monasteries of this region and the way in which they interacted with the imperial administration and the Ghassanid phylarchate. Conclusions are drawn about the organisation of the Monophysite church in Arabia and its relations with Byzantium’s Arab allies and with the wider Monophysite church in the East.) Merry Christmas and happy new year, and many thanks to all who contribute to NASCAS, Barbara Roggema --- On Sat, 12/15/12, Hainthaler, Theresia <Hain...@sankt-georgen.de> wrote:

[Greg Fisher]

Dear Colleagues,

 

Here is a paper on the subject which I have written for a forthcoming Brill volume. It is still in draft format, but I hope it contains some useful information!

I also draw attention to my forthcoming edited volume with OUP entitled “Arabs and Empires Before Islam”, a collection of sources and commentary, due out sometime in 2014. A large part of one of the main chapters will address Arab Christianity.

 

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all,

 

Greg Fisher

[Thomas Ricks]

Dear Ephrem,

I would like a scan of that book if possible. Many thanks!

Regards,

Thomas Ricks, Ph.D.

[SAMIR Khalil]

Thank you so much, dear Theresia!
If it could be useful to someone, here is a doc version.
Fr. Samir

 

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[SAMIR Khalil]

Thank you, dear Barbara, for this precious information.
Here is Fisher's book, and merry Christmas!
Fr. Samir

 

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[Bishara Ebeid]

Thank you all for the material !!!

Biahara

[Zeljko Pasa]

I have copy of Trimingham, Christianity among the Arabs in Pre-Islamic Times.

You will find it in attachment. It is in WinDjView format. If you don’t have program for read it you can find for free here http://windjview.sourceforge.net/

Željko

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[ephrem ishac]

Thanks Željko !

Ephrem

[SAMIR Khalil]

Dear Željko, Ho molti testi (decine) che sono in Djvu. Potresti dirmi concretamente, tappa per tappa (numerandole), come si fa a convertirle in pdf? Spero che tuo lavoro va avanti bene. Io sto per partire domani per Qomm per tornare una settimana dopo per Natale. Poi mi metto a lavorare intensamente, senza cedrac.
Buona preparazione al Natale!
Samir
 
 
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:23:32 +0200

Subject: Re: [nascas] Christianity in Arabia in the Pre-Islamic and Early Islamic Eras

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[Myriam Wissa]

Thanks very much Father Samir to raise this question . I am very much interested in getting a pdf  copy of Trimingham, Christianity among the Arabs in Pre-Islamic Times as well. 

 

I tried these sophisticated high tech WinDjView format  and the link http://windjview.sourceforge.net/ and didn't manage. To be honest it is  such a nightmare all these links and programmes!  It was  splendid to have  easy access to files in word or pdf   via  wonderful NASCAS !  Thank you.

Myriam

 

 Blessed Christmas and peaceful  year 2013

[Albocicade]

The same "Trimingham, Christianity among the Arabs in Pre-Islamic Times" in PDF, until Christmas.
Le même fichier "Trimingham, Christianity among the Arabs in Pre-Islamic Times" en pdf, que je laisse jusqu'à Noël :
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/101889848/J.%20Spencer%20Trimingham%20Christianity%20Among%20the%20Arabs%20in%20Pre-Islamic%20Times%20Arab%20Background%20Series%20%201979.pdf
Sincerely

2012/12/16 SAMIR Khalil <sami...@hotmail.fr>

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[Myriam Wissa]

Many many thank s for this easy link.  Got it.

 

Myriam

[Albocicade]

Sorry, the previous pdf file was in a quite bad quality : i made a better one (really better !) at this link :
Désolé, le précédent fichier pdf était vraiment de mauvaise qualité : j'en ai fait un nettement meilleur (et indexé, en plus), à peine plus gros (15 Mo au lieu de 13.8 !), téléchargeable ici :
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/101889848/J.%20Spencer%20Trimingham%20Christianity%20Among%20the%20Arabs%20in%20Pre-Islamic%20Times%20Arab%20Background%20Series%20%201979%281%29.pdf

Par ailleurs, pour transformer un djvu en pdf, j'ai utilisé http://www.djvu-pdf.com/
Sincèrement

2012/12/16 Myriam Wissa <mw...@soas.ac.uk>

[SAMIR Khalil]

Merci, cher P.Albocicade,

J'ai remarqué que le pdf n'était pas recherchable. Je l'ai rendu recherchable.

The pdf is now searchable. I am sending it through We Transfer.

Fr. Samir

 

 

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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:59:35 +0000

Subject: Re: [nascas] Christianity in Arabia in the Pre-Islamic and Early Islamic Eras

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[rami....@gmail.com]

Dear All,

Thank you so much for your responses.

Rami.