We have a client who restricts our use of fonts, specifically stating that all use "must be 10 point or larger Arial or Times New Roman font type." We frequently use Arial Narrow when developing complex graphics and tables for this client but were recently advised that Arial Narrow is 'another type of font' and unallowable per their instructions. An ongoing (and costly) discussion is taking place.
Please help answer this question as resetting everything (and we do not use Arial Narrow in body text for those of you freaking out) will be nightmare as we have page restrictions in this 300 page document also. My thanks in advance is somebody can explain it in a way that even an engineering group could understand. Gofigyyer [who still can't believe I couldn't answer this question after all these years ;-)].
We are windows based and use Adobe CS3. Ohmigosh...it is clear as mud Based on the responses, I think the answer may then lie with asking our client, in a very delicate manner so as not to have them think that WE think they're idiots, if arial narrow is included in their idea of an arial 'type' font and pray to the typography gawds that they answer to the affirmative.
In general use in typography and graphic design, "font type" would be an odd phrase, and would likely be taken as a synonym for "font format" rather than "typeface" or "font family." People outside the industry sometimes use "type font" to mean something in the general area of "typeface" or "font," but as far as I'm concerned, even "type font" is essentially an undefined term.
But even if we assume that something reasonable was meant, whether Arial Narrow is in the same grouping as Arial depends very much on how you've defined that grouping. Personally, I'd assume from the context that "font type" meant "typeface." I certainly agree that the four style-linked members of the Arial Narrow group are members of the same typeface as the rest of Arial, as would most graphic designers and typographers.
Thank you for your personal opinion. It helps and your response also may help me in 'phrasing' my question to the client in such a way so neither of us appear to be idiots. Fabulous survey and comforting to know that I'm not the only one confused. Hope you're well healed and enjoying your new job.
This font has various styles and a complete set of glyphs. It has 4 weights Regular, Bold, Italic, and Bold Italic. This font is used to create classic text styles. A lot of designers used this font in their works.
You can use this font with arial font. This font is available in Windows, Microsoft Office, Mac OS, and Android. Its text generator is also available online which gives your text more stylish and attractive. You can use its graphics text effects and hundreds of tremendous colors to make your text unique.
I make hundreds of PowerPoint slides from my PC and used arial narrow, but it is not available in keynote (yet) and all of the spacing on the slides gets all screwed up. It takes an hour just to change all fonts to something else and add spaces to line up with the music.
I have tried installing a few Arial fonts such as Arial Narrow bold on a Windows 7 machine, and can't get the font to be usable after I install it. The Arial font family, including Arial Narrow Bold, shows up in the Windows font folder, but I can't use all of the Arial fonts in Photoshop, Word, etc.
I have uninstalled and installed a few times now, with differing results each time. Sometimes certain Arial fonts are usable while others are not, and then after I re-install some other Arial fonts become usable while some that were once usable are now not.
I do not have a solution for word, but the incomplete font list problem with respect to Adobe I have encountered many times. The usual solution for this is to create a shortcut to the windows fonts folder in C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\Fonts (omit the (x86) if you are on windows 7 32-bit)
The adobe docs say to make duplicates of the fonts or shortcuts of the fonts in this folder, but making a shortcut to the entire font folder works, and it has the benefit of not having to update this folder every time you install a typeface.
Note also, that in an Adobe program, whenever it feels it can, it will group families, so you might have to select arial, and then in a secondary drop-down, you select regular, light, bold, medium book etc.
Regenerate in TTF by defalt all 4 Arial Narrow fonts with Fontlab Studio without any changes to fonts info or structure. Then install them into system (Windows/Fonts). Clean old Arial Narrow files before. Then do search for adobefnt*.lst on system disk. Delete those files (only .lst not .db or any other).
On the sheets which are extracted from de revit model we upload (plans and project files folders) the font arial narrow is not displaying correctly. I t looks like the normal arial font is used. Is there a way to solve this, now the text is going through the edges of sectionhead and sheets etc.
My name is James Bryant of Autodesk Support. I'm reaching out to colleagues for list of supported fonts in BIM360 Docs or if any additional settings would be required to push font with drawing on upload. Thank you
The reason that this is happening is firstly that Revit does not embed fonts when it is exporting so this means that if a font is not available in the program you are exporting it to it will find a replacement font. Currently BIM 360 Docs does not seem to support Arial Narrow and this is the reason that the font is being replaced by Arial.
I have found an alternative solution which when I have tested does work, this is in the Revit model before you export to edit the text system family that you are using to create the text and changing the properties of this family to being Arial instead of Arial narrow, but editing the text "Width Factor" to 0.8 this will then create a text which is essentially Arial narrow. And when this Arial text with thinner width factor is exported it stays as the thinner size.
Following the font support reference resource it seems that Arial Narrow is supposed to be working in DWF, DWG and RVT files. Only it does not - unless there is some secret tag I forgot to setup when I made the new project.
I often have very limited space when creating reports and dashboards for users. I usually use Arial, or Arial Narrow, but UI isn't my area of expertise, so I want to know, how do you determine an optimal font for fitting the most readable text in the smallest space?
I did a rudimentary by creating a program that iterated through all of the available fonts I had installed on my Windows box at the time and printed a line containing each printable ascii character on to the screen in each of these font's. I repeated the test as well with different font sizes.
The results as I recall them were that Segoe UI and Tahoma were the best with respect to space utilization and readability for UI purposes at 10pt and 9pt sizes. In the short term we settled on Tahoma since Segoe UI isn't freely available for operating systems below Windows Vista. If you don't need to support Windows XP or older an Windows OS or other a non Windows OS then I would definitely go with Segoe UI otherwise I would go with Tahoma if it's available and if all else fails try Verdana. See this list for a lineup of available Windows fonts as well as information about the best of use of each.
Keep in mind as well that starting with Windows Vista I believe, Microsoft now recommends using a 9pt font instead of a 10pt font for UI elements since the Sego UI font displays much clearer than other fonts at low resolutions especially on flat panel displays.
Depending on what platform you are developing for, you may also want to look at modifying font metrics if possible. In .NET with WPF I recall there being quite a bit of ways to modify how the text is rendered to allow for condensing the space between characters and to make the individual characters more narrow. Using this type of technique you can stick with whatever font you like and just tweak it's rendering to get the results you need.
With regard to your specific example graph that you provided: for this particular graph I would recommend pivoting it so the text most likely to be read is horizontal for more natural reading. I would also place the number so that it is inside the each bar of the bar graph when it will fit with a color that stands out against whatever background color is there thus increasing the space for other things such as the labels. Laying out the bar graph as rows would make it easier to read and also to print on multiple pages if necessary. If a row layout is not possible then creating a separate key for each item in the graph would probably be reasonable and that way each bar could be place closer together as well to save space. The key would allow each bar to be labeled such as A, B, C... or 01, 02, 03... for example and the key (layed out in rows somewhere else) would give more detailed information about each.
Remember, a chart or diagram is mainly useful for getting quick visual information. If it becomes too much of a burden to the user/reader your probably best off simplifying it, consolidating some of the details of the chart, or just provide more raw data in a more tabular form.
Update: I've added another comparison below which shows a more complete listing of common characters including capital and lower case letters in each of the previously mentioned fonts with the addition of Verdana and MS Sans Serif (default UI font in Windows prior to Windows 2000). Unfortunately and in response to bobsoap's recommendation for using Verdana, it is pretty clear that Verdana is about the worst compared to the other fonts at 9pt although keep in mind that this may not hold true for other point sizes. Also size isn't necessarily always the most important detail, sometimes it's more important that a font is readable at small sizes than whether it is more compact relative to another font.
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