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Rejis Emmanuel
Oct 15, 2014, 12:49:14 AM10/15/14
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Dear All,
Firstly, why do we have HR policies for 5 years or 3 years or any period as the board wishes. The HR policy though dynamic is a sacrosanct document which can have addendums and corrigendum issued every year but cannot be altered so drastically every year.
Why does the organization not invite suggestions before placing the document before the Board? Merely inviting suggestions on a document approved by the Board is a mockery of due procedures and us at large.
The HR issue related case is pending in court and though we paid our subscriptions and legal contribution, the Association in meeting did not clarify anything related to it.
If Association was hand in hand with this document, why the need to even ask for suggestions now?
The CAG hardly belonged to IAAS and when the last government belittled the IAAS saying they are not professional, they forgot that the same agency was recruited by UN and IMF to audit it.
NABARD is doing the same to its own staff, belittling us.
We are all interested in monetary parity with RBI, why not take the other things too, their HR policy has remained constant and changing for the better without affecting the normal aspirations of existing staff.
If the Bank claims it does not have specialists in certain fields, fine, how did they frame a document with fine HR considerations without having HR specialists.
The top most services of this country recruits graduates of various disciplines and trains them accordingly. Why cant our Bank provide us a training which equips us for its own needs?
The Association had provided us very good statistics last year why Direct Grade B is not advisable as it would affect many. That time it was vehemently argued even any percentage of direct grade B recruitment is not advisable. The Association presented its views only yesterday here.
Let us also ensure we get a HR policy which is sacrosanct and not meddled with every year. We appreciate addendums and welcome it.
We must tell Association also, that it cannot decide whether DR in Grade B is good without presenting such arguments first to us.
Second, this is for us all as members, when a court case was on, why do we run and accept promotions? Why not wait and give our friends and colleagues a fair chance?
The Selfish man survives but is never happy. We cannot afford to be selfish.
Till everyone in the batch gets a fair chance, I think we must wait if we all have too. We take pride in NABARD being our family, so lets set things right, by giving ourselves a fair chance.
Some of us may find the Grade B DR a fair proposition and argue well. I accept such needs may exist but it can be done without harming others.
If horticulture grad sits in MCID, I do not understand why have specialists then?
Please refrain from seeing things in the short run, think of it like this, some good men existed before and ensured that organisation survived well for us to join, can we leave a better organisation for others to come in?
Some of us will always lean towards things we seem right for us, but life unfortunately is not just about us. It is also about others around us.
So if RBI has a separate association for Grade A & B s, we must explore that too....
Regds
Rejis KS
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Dheerendra Kori <dheer...@yahoo.co.in>: Oct 14 05:22AM
Dear All,
I am not able to understand why some of the people of our batch are supporting the recruitment of Grade B (whatever it may be 10% or 20%) , what is the need of this. Are NABARD utilised the capability of its grade A officers yet. I don't know which kinds of analytical skill they require. This policy only brings the " work less, butter more" culture. In every organization there is merit channel, again i don't know why people want to skip this and want to promoted only through on the basis of their PAR marks which is totally based on what , we all knows. Disappointing, but what can we expect from our so superior management.
Another thing i want to add why only Direct Grade B officer , why not Grade C, D or E.
Yours FaithfullyDheerendra KoriBihar RO
On Friday, 10 October 2014 12:01 PM, 'rajat sehgal' via NABARD AM A 2010 batch <nabard-am-a...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
reference of previous two batches 2008 & 2009 can also be added as they got chance after completing 4 years of service.
On Friday, 10 October 2014 11:02 AM, sushantpatil1203 . <sushantp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Friends, I have prepared my feedback as under: To: hrpoli...@nabard.org Sir,In connection with the 2014 HR –Policy, I would like to give the following feedback regarding ‘Direct Recruitmentin Grade A and B’:-Instead of recruiting candidatesdirectly in Grade B, we can take fresh candidates through All India Competitionin Grade A and provide early promotion opportunities to them (say 2 years), basedon their performance. This will ensure that, the candidates promoted to Grade Bare not only good at analytical abilities but are also suitable for NABARD’swork environment.Before going ahead with Grade B directrecruitment, the officers recruited in Grade A should be given an opportunityto be Grade B, as fresh recruitment in Grade B makes uneven field for them. Thanking You,Yours Faithfully,-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any suggestions pl.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Shakti Prasanna Mohapatra <spm...@gmail.com> wrote:
The issue raised by Abhinav....that's what the Association guys will tell you when you ask them to represent our problem. They'd try to 'prove' how beneficial this single channel system is!
I don't believe any of it.
Are all promotions in which the number of selected is more than the number of rejected simply bad? just because a minority gains over the majority?
Not only is it a matter of denying opportunity to our batch.
If some one gets promoted through Merit Channel this time, he/she also reduces the the competition next time and increases the chance of promotion of others next time. Instead of realising this if the crab like mentality gets the better our thought process, it is good for none. And i must say, the managements love this!
In my opinion, the sooner more of us get promoted to Gr B, the better for ALL of us.
Direct recruitment to Gr B is not 'unethical' but management should give us adequate opportunity before doing that.
i oppose both stopping of Merit channel and recruitment of Grade B ahead of giving us a chance for promotion and shall draft my reply accordingly.
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM, sushantpatil1203 . <sushantp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pradeep bhai ye groups vala idea sahi hain. It will create groups in organisation. Pl take this point Gopal.On 8 Oct 2014 10:32, "Pradeep Choudhary" <pradee...@gmail.com> wrote:
only 10%.. what does this mean..what is the need for recruiting grade B when you have the stuff (officers going RBI as Grade B) ..it will only provocate/encourage experienced officers to leave the organization. Remember 2 entry level for officers results in making groups and will be looked differently in the organization and no doubt, we(recruited as Grade A) will be the ultimate sufferer..
Pradeep ChoudharyChhatisgarh RO
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Abhinav Kapri <abhina...@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder is it only me or does the policy also have positive attributes.How is d merit channel good? how much good has it done to our senior batches? how many have been promoted, and if promoted, isnt it at d cost ofcausing severe grievances caused to the batchmates against those promoted and juniors promoted above seniority without judging d past usefulness or aptitude of d person "meritoriously" promoted? Nonsense.We should also note that although we have to wait for 5 yrs but d promotion process is smooth and management has tried to bring simplicity. By takingaverage of best 3 PARs instead of last 3 PARs we are saved with fears or threats of vengeful Reporting Officers over PAR and that once we get below par PARwe needed to sit it out for years before the effect waned off. Further, 60% marks in interview is also not very demanding i think. Moreover, we may think of asking for weightage interview AND PAR both at the time of deciding selected listAlthough we need to urge not to again tamper with it for d coming years.Yes recruitment at Grade B is bad and we may advise to rethink that but we should note it is only for 10% of the vacancies for Grdae B, but has to be advised against nonetheless. Also the common prelim for both Grade A Grade B doesnt make much sense, but only for saving few bucks at the time of recruitment!
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:53 PM, sushantpatil1203 . <sushantp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Everybody is thinking that - 'others will take care of the issue'. On 7 Oct 2014 20:18, "'vishal kansal' via NABARD AM A 2010 batch" <nabard-am-a...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
| Only three four people among our batch seems to be affected by the policy. All others are happy as even a small displeasure has not been shown by any of the rest. All have got themselves embibed in NABARD culture, become wishful thinkers. I am also backing out and becoming spineless as usual..!ab promotion kabhi bhi ho kahin bhi ho, i dont care . Good luck buddies... Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
| From:"Pradeep Choudhary" <pradee...@gmail.com>
Date:Tue, 7 Oct, 2014 at 14:31
Subject:Re: another setback for our batch
Friends, in my opinion resignation from NBOA is not a solution. Management will not listen us directly, we have to force NBOA to clarify our apprehensions to the management. Presently, our main motive is to stop Recruitment at Grade B level.
Pradeep ChoudharyChhattisgarh RO
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 12:08 PM, sushantpatil1203 . <sushantp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Think of consequences of direct recruitment of grade B, which is envisaged in the new policy.On 7 Oct 2014 11:41, "sushantpatil1203 ." <sushantp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Somebody pl give me format for resignation from NBOA.On 7 Oct 2014 10:56, "amit kumar" <amitja...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,
I think, all of us should write to HRMD for continuation of promotion from Grade- A to B through Merit Channel, as we are the worst affected batch from this policy change. As suggested by Devendra, we may also think of mass resignation from NBOA, as they are least bothered for our interests.
Regards,
Amit KumarAM, Bihar RO
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Shakti Prasanna Mohapatra <spm...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,
First they promoted all candidates in the qualifying channel who appeared in interview.The intention was clear. Now that they scrapped the merit channel altogether, the conspiracy is complete. The new management and our so called association are hands in glove to turn the clock backwards. Next I suspect, some fine day they may scrap the open access to PAR also and make it secretive and subjective; may be only for Grade A. All this backward march is at the behest of NBOA only. Hence option 2 above by Devendra may be exercised. This is essential to know whether it stands for our legitimate interests.
While options 1 and 4 may not lead to a desirable change of policy, option 3 may be counter productive in an environment that is least bothered about loss of efficiency.
Even after this, I think there is hope if we can put forth our problem with the new succession policy to the HRMD directly through the channel provided (hrpoli...@nabard.org) by 15-Oct-2014, just like so many of us appealed against the new transfer policy and succeeded in getting transfers to their desired locations. This time the HRMD is most willing to hear from us (that's why a separate id), which means there is still scope for accomodation.
We may request for granting atleast 2 chances to appear in a Merit Track for promotion to Grade B starting from this year and before any direct recruitment takes place to Grade B. Very specifically, the chances availed thru merit channel by our previous batches of 2008 & 2009 and the cancellation of direct recruitment to Grade B through open examination announced about one year ago may be duly quoted. Thanks & Regards,Shakti Prasanna MohapatraAM, UP RO, Lucknow
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:21 AM, devendra singh <dks_...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
Given the mindset of higher management, it is difficult to get justice by prayers and petitions. NBOA is of little help as witnessed on earlier ocassions. Now options may be tried
1. RTi asking the rationale behind such policies.
2. NBOA may be threatened immediately with mass resignation.
3. Stop data entry and letter drafting at our level. Officer nowhere is required to do this clerical work. If AGM requires a letter to be sent mark it to DA. Follow all written instructions only. Chock maximum of work including going to GM and CGM for getting note DO and letter signed.
4. Ministry of finance and DOPT may be written about the policies.
From: "Pradeep Choudhary"pradee...@gmail.com
Sent:Sat, 04 Oct 2014 08:15:55 +0530
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Subject: Re: another setback for our batch
Its too much...every year new transfer n promotion policy...can a organization run this way...dont know what is to be done now..FRUSTRATION..KYA KARE?
>Pradeep ChoudharyChhattisgarh RO
>On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:38 AM, ';vishal kansal'; via NABARD AM A 2010 batch <nabard-am-a...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
| Management is totally insensitive towards us. After transfer policy, a second big slap on us.. but what one can expect from NABARD. A new dose of fowl air to already frustrated employees.. NBOA is busy with high tea party on our money as usual and always be in future.. only God can help us.. we a really cursed batch.. lost all enthusiasm..
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
| From:"devendra singh" <dks_...@rediffmail.com>
>Subject:Re: another setback for our batch
> Yes NBOA is of little help to us
From: "sushantpatil1203 ."sushantp...@gmail.com
Sent:Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:38:12 +0530
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Subject: Re: another setback for our batch
Yes sir. This is really a setback for us. I am thinking for leaving the NBOA. It is just like standing tirelessly in Q at a Railways Counter for Tatkal booking and when your turn came all tickets are booked already (Unpredictable) . A feedback is required to given formally on behalf of the batch.
Warm RegardsGopal Kumar Parit
>On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:12 PM, devendra singh <dks_...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
again a new promotion and recruitment policy. seems as if we are puppets in the organization. already there is nothing like being officers, also promotion chances are delayed.
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Bhawani Shanker <bhaw...@gmail.com>: Oct 13 01:40PM +0530
Dear Friends,
please see the draft letter attached and suggest corrections, if any.\
I have the idea to send such a letter from each Regional Office, signed by
all the Officers (Grade A, B, C ,D, etc.) through the local unit of NBOA to
the Central Unit General Secretary.
all the Individual members of our batch may also send similar letter to the
hrpoli...@nabard.org
today is 13th october, 2014 and the deadline to give the feedback is 15th
october. we have only two days left, so we have to think, decide and act
fast.
we have to be UNITED, all the batch-mates, wherever they may be need to
speak in COHERENT way, management may play the divide and rule game (as
already done by the provision of cut-off date of 31st december to decide
the qualified years of service.). IN CASE OF LACK OF UNITY AMONG OUR
BATCHMATES, THEY WILL TARGET THE FEW ACTIVE INDIVIDUALS, JUST TO SILENT ALL
OF US.
Kindly read the draft and provide your feedback, we need to finalise it
with consensus.
any other sugession, in this regard, may please be shared.
I HOPE THAT WE WONT BE HAVING THE CAREER PROGRESSION LIKE THE 1984 BATCH
AND ALL OF US WILL FIGHT FOR IT BEING* UNITED.*
Thanks and regards,
Rajesh K M <iitkgp...@gmail.com>: Oct 13 03:30PM +0530
I think we should go as per draft prepared by Bhawani (letter may be more
polite). Kindly give your comments earliest. we have to final it by today
itself. we should submit one copy directly to HRMD and one copy through
NBOA (If they show positive attitude) with duly signed by individual RO
officers. We can also conveyance 2008,2009 batch friends for signing the
letter who have dropped in last attempt.
Rajesh Meena
Rajasthan RO
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Mohammed Riyaz <mdriy...@gmail.com>: Oct 13 05:29PM +0530
Dear Bhawani Shankar & all my other batch mates
Applauds for Bhawani for the well drafted Representation. It has covered
well the main concerns of our 2010 DR batch such as
1. opportunity for promotion on completion of 4 years, as was given to
previous 02 DR batches, through "Written test" & interview.
&
2.. Problem in fixing "cut off date" as "31st Dec " of previous year.
All our batch mates are requested to voice our concern, very politely, to
local NBOA units, so that the issue gets noticed & is raised by NBOA to
Management.
Thanks
Mohammed Riyaz A
Kerala RO
"sushantpatil1203 ." <sushantp...@gmail.com>: Oct 13 05:48PM +0530
Friends.
We (Karnataka RO 2010 bath DRs), have given the letter, with few
modifications to NBOA BANGALORE Unit today.
Thanks.
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Mohammed Riyaz <mdriy...@gmail.com>
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Gopal Kumar <gopa...@gmail.com>: Oct 14 10:35AM +0530
Dear Friends,
Since, we had no local units of NBOA, I had sent a crisp feedback summering
the contents to HR Policy email. Irrespective of submission of letter to
NBOA, I request all of you to send the email.
*Warm Regards*
*Gopal Kumar Parit*
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Rejis...fully agreed with you,,,,
Guys today is 15th..last day to submit our suggestions..can we focus on major issue..STOPPING RECRUITMENT OF GRADE B...promotion within our batch may be discussed once this issue is resolved.
Pradeep Choudhary
Chhattisgarh RO
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Pradeep,
Fine this year, we oppose and may be it will be stopped. BUt every year are we going to be subjected to this again and again. Not just his policy, any policy before being placed before Board, why are we invited only for post mortems or made to look like fighters/martyrs. Cant we all ensure this is the last time we have to plead or fight...
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