In regard to other 3rd party products, is it safe to say from the fact that only I have ever mentioned any of them that the rest of you either cannot find copies of them or have no interest in them? If we disregard the 2 books that convert the missing classes, our immediate recourse is to use Andy Collins" monk conversion & wait for PHB2 for the druid & bard classes - we have more than enough other material to keep us busy converting other things in the meantime.