What reason for only ONE text tag?

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Marcello Capucci

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Oct 17, 2022, 2:30:39 AM10/17/22
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Which is the reason for having only one text tag for task?
I think it could be very useful tag task with one or more tag. 
Thanks. MC

MOK | MATSURU

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Oct 22, 2022, 2:57:27 AM10/22/22
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I agree that it is limited. but you can put more keywords in it.
Then, use the search text tag function instead of the filter. This way you will be able to find the task with multiple text tags.
To differentiate text tags with task names, you can put in special symbols like @ # ?$ ...etc so the search will include these symbols and will not show the search result with the task name. 

hope this helps.

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Michael Emerald, CFA

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Oct 22, 2022, 7:13:10 AM10/22/22
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I see your point, but have a different perspective on text tags.  I’m guessing that you (correctly) mean that nowadays “tags” means you can affix as many tags as you want to an item.  Of course you are correct.

 

But the usage here, I feel, is rather not a tag as we know it, but rather an additional text field, one which can be used for filtering. Furthermore, unlike photos, web pages, etc. I can’t see a need where I’d say “Show me all the tasks that involve ‘Tools of the Trade’.  For that, I’d use a folder or flag.

 

Again, your point is valid, but I wouldn’t recommend it for adoption.

 

Take Care,

 

Michael Emerald, CFA

 

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Dwight Arthur

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Oct 23, 2022, 12:48:01 PM10/23/22
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Folders could not substitute for tags because a task can only be in one folder, tags tend to come in flocks.

Flags could substitute but there is a downside. Tags can be very ad hoc, arising in response to a transitory issue that soon fades. Whenever a new tag is needed, one would need to go into the Manage Flags window and create it. Some time later, one would need to go into the Manage Flags box again to clean out unused flags. That last housekeeping is unlikely to happen often, so it will get messy.

What's wrong with the current implementation: you can use comma separated tags but MLO does not know you are doing that. MLO has a great capability add on the fly to the list of available tags and to remove tags when they are unused. But if you change "tag1" to "tag1, tag2" MLO does not add tag2 to the list, it adds the entire string with two tags, which is not very useful. Also, using search exposes you to the ambiguity where one item is a substring of another unrelated item, like when you search for "%mail" and you get "%mailbox" mixed in.

I think that a change to text tag to allow multiple tags with MLO recognizing them individually would be popular with people who use tags.

_Dwight

imajeff

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Oct 23, 2022, 6:30:01 PM10/23/22
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"These are not the text tags you're looking for," totally what I thought when I learned that the development team did not make this to be "text tags" really. It's just another way to make them searchable with special kewords you can make up in that text field but not add more custom fields. When someone tells you this is how it works, they are not trying to make a point of their own. MLO was just not designed to allow you to add multiple custom fields. Sure, I wish it was.

I realized more than 13 years ago that this software does not come from our language or culture. Wording gets lost in translation. The way they decide how things should work is not my way. It can be surprising how culture can change popular thinking, but I accept that's probably why things like this seem so non-intuitive in my experience. Guess we gotta design our own if we want it a different way.


MOK | MATSURU

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Oct 23, 2022, 11:01:30 PM10/23/22
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I agreed. The best is for MLO to recognize multiple tags individually even though they are entered in the same field separated by commas.

I just experiment and found out that you are right.., Dwight Search keywords will find all texts that contain that keyword. ( search 'man' will get 'man', 'woman', manager' ...etc)

however, after further experimenting, by adding a special character in front of the keyword, for example: '>man', the search results will only show '>man' and not the others.

In this case, if one wanna use multiple text tags, one should decide on 1 special character that only is only used for text tags. This way, hopefully, the search result will be much more accurate. 

This is not ideal but a workaround for those who need multiple text tags.

Marcello Capucci

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Oct 24, 2022, 3:32:15 AM10/24/22
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Precisely because each task corresponds to only one flag ... It would be useful to have multiple tags per task instead. Otherwise, apart from the icon, you don't understand much about the different use between flags and tags...

Marcello Capucci

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Oct 24, 2022, 3:32:15 AM10/24/22
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Imagine you have several task, for example, that are accomunated by something.
For example: 
- Paint the gate in the garden
- Paint the kitchen wall
Both task needs "varnish" and "brush"
I'd like to apply tag #varnish and #brush to both task. 
So that If I need to check where I need (for example) a brush, I can quickly do that
It's only an example. 
For this reason, it seems to me that limiting to a single tag per task is a mistake.
I don't think MLO supports the ";" separator.
If you write #varnish; #brush, for MLO is a single tag, not two
I have been using MindManager for years (I know, it's a different software ...), which for example supports all the tags you want for each task, and it seems very useful: I can make dashboards that do not only concern deadlines, priorities, resources etc.

MOK | MATSURU

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Oct 24, 2022, 3:44:09 AM10/24/22
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Dear MC,

Totally understand. the 2 keywords will be treated as 1 tag if we use the "Filter" function.
So, don't use "filter". Use the Search function instead.

Try it and let me know how it is working for ya.

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