A simple idea about goals! You tell me!
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Luc Poitras
Dec 11, 2012, 4:00:12 PM12/11/12
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For me, weekly, monthly and yearly (goals) does not resonate.
Would it be more appropriate to categorize goals within these?
This week, This month, or This year!
And I know we had discussions about goals before in this forum, but here I go anyways!
Example:
"Plan the Christmas Holiday".
I decided that "Plan the Christmas Holiday" is no more a project of mine, but is instead a goal.
The reason I changed it to a goal is because there is a lot of projects underneath it:
-Put lights in trees ouside;
- buy and decorate christmas tree;
- Decorate the center of dining table;
Buy gifts;
- prepare christmas food, etc.
So! Every single project here is grouped under "Plan the Christmas Holiday"
NOW, on this december 11th, if I had to choose between "This week; This month; This year", this goal would go, at this date, in "This month".
...and when we get to, let's say, the 19th of december, I will switch it to "This week"...And on december the 26th, it will go in "This year" goal...
So, in other words here, "Plan the Christmas Holiday" is more of a "This month" goal, than a "monthly" goal, wouldn't you say?
You tell me if I'm in the "You say tomato, I say tomato" stuff here...I've had more than my share of "Getting too much into details" before!
Thanks!
Luc
And by the way, Happy Holidays!
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Would it be more appropriate to categorize goals within these?
This week, This month, or This year!
And I know we had discussions about goals before in this forum, but here I go anyways!
Example:
"Plan the Christmas Holiday".
I decided that "Plan the Christmas Holiday" is no more a project of mine, but is instead a goal.
The reason I changed it to a goal is because there is a lot of projects underneath it:
-Put lights in trees ouside;
- buy and decorate christmas tree;
- Decorate the center of dining table;
Buy gifts;
- prepare christmas food, etc.
So! Every single project here is grouped under "Plan the Christmas Holiday"
NOW, on this december 11th, if I had to choose between "This week; This month; This year", this goal would go, at this date, in "This month".
...and when we get to, let's say, the 19th of december, I will switch it to "This week"...And on december the 26th, it will go in "This year" goal...
So, in other words here, "Plan the Christmas Holiday" is more of a "This month" goal, than a "monthly" goal, wouldn't you say?
You tell me if I'm in the "You say tomato, I say tomato" stuff here...I've had more than my share of "Getting too much into details" before!
Thanks!
Luc
And by the way, Happy Holidays!
Envoyé de mon iPhone
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Dec 11, 2012, 4:37:36 PM12/11/12
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Luc: I use goals a lot, but not in the way they were apparently intended.
Most of my new tasks start out in my inbox. Some get typed in there
directly, others come via RTE, MLO-by-email, or drag from Outlook. As they
are landing in my inbox, I make a first-level cut at priority, and assign
everything that really needs to be addressed promptly to be a weekly goal,
which gets it that very noticeable red exclamation point. In my quarterly
reviews, I look at uncompleted goal tasks. Some were not as important as I
thought at first and I take away the goal status. Others remain important
but not quite important enough for me to commit resources to right today.
They move to monthly goals. Remaining uncompleted weekly goal tasks
represent something that really needs to get done and I try to do them right
away.
Inside of the daily process I am using Urgency, Importance, and dates to get
the right tasks to the top of the to-do list each day. The Goals thing is
kind of a safety net to keep things that matter from getting lost.
So I really don't care how you rename the goals so long as there are at
least two levels, and it does not use up too much developer time to do
whatever you need.
-Dwight
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Most of my new tasks start out in my inbox. Some get typed in there
directly, others come via RTE, MLO-by-email, or drag from Outlook. As they
are landing in my inbox, I make a first-level cut at priority, and assign
everything that really needs to be addressed promptly to be a weekly goal,
which gets it that very noticeable red exclamation point. In my quarterly
reviews, I look at uncompleted goal tasks. Some were not as important as I
thought at first and I take away the goal status. Others remain important
but not quite important enough for me to commit resources to right today.
They move to monthly goals. Remaining uncompleted weekly goal tasks
represent something that really needs to get done and I try to do them right
away.
Inside of the daily process I am using Urgency, Importance, and dates to get
the right tasks to the top of the to-do list each day. The Goals thing is
kind of a safety net to keep things that matter from getting lost.
So I really don't care how you rename the goals so long as there are at
least two levels, and it does not use up too much developer time to do
whatever you need.
-Dwight
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Elizabeth Lindsay
Dec 11, 2012, 7:41:37 PM12/11/12
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I actually use the goals with the assumption ot "this".
Lisa Stroyan
Dec 11, 2012, 7:47:57 PM12/11/12
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Actually, though I usually forget and call them "Weekly" etc,in the app they are actually labeled Week, Month, Year.
I don't use them as either "This Week" or "Weekly" but to mean "closer to a week out from now than a month out", what I call a "running week", kind of a goal for that time horizon. I think the labels work well for any of the three. Then when I create a task that recurs, I use the date to move it out later in the year, and it comes back at it's previous goal setting.
I kind of did what you were talking about, but it got out of date very fast. Instead I now use a Star to mean "consider for today". But none of these use models is required/ preferred by MLO.
Trish P
Dec 13, 2012, 4:32:21 AM12/13/12
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I tend to use week/month/year goals as a way of dealing with projects or tasks I don't want to assign to a specific due date, but I do want to keep on the radar appropriately. When I do my weekly and monthly reviews, I skim through the projects and tasks that have been assigned to these "event horizon" sorts of dates and see if any of them should be promoted to the next level (i.e., month goal to week goal, or year goal to month or week goal), or if I should assign a specific date, or star it/bump urgency to make sure that it actually gets attention in the next appropriate time period. If something has a specific date assigned to it and doesn't have a downgraded urgency, then I tend to think it already has a goal designation that is more specific than week/month/year. If it has downgraded urgency then it's generally more of a "nice to have" than something that needs a goal designation, anyhow. Or maybe you could think of the downgraded task or project as a member of "Stretch Goals" - i.e., the things you do if you want that high performance rating at work :P
tbGroupster
Dec 30, 2012, 11:09:03 AM12/30/12
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I would like to see the addition of Daily goals to MLO. Then I can use the 'starred' feature to filter further for those that I am concentrating on completing 'today'.
Lisa Stroyan
Dec 30, 2012, 4:32:47 PM12/30/12
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I agree -- I find lately that I have daily goals that I'd like to not see in my Starred view. Exercise is a great example -- I want to be able to mark it as a daily goal, but choose whether to Star it or not.
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:09 AM, tbGroupster <troy...@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to see the addition of Daily goals to MLO. Then I can use the 'starred' feature to filter further for those that I am concentrating on completing 'today'.
Lisa Stroyan
Jan 2, 2013, 12:48:46 PM1/2/13
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Using a flag might be a workaround for some (as long as they are not on android). however, what we are looking for here is a fourth goal state that will show up with all of the other goals. Using a flag is not a great workaround since it requires creating complicated custom views to get the same effect, and even then there is no way to group by a combination of two fields. not to mention that then there will be tasks that have both a goal setting and the flag set.
A new goal state of "Day" just makes sense.
On Monday, December 31, 2012 3:09:03 AM UTC+11, tbGroupster wrote:I would like to see the addition of Daily goals to MLO. Then I can use the 'starred' feature to filter further for those that I am concentrating on completing 'today'.
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Lisa Stroyan
Jan 3, 2013, 10:08:54 AM1/3/13
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I see it more that the star is having to be used as a workaround to substitute for the missing Day goal field. In my opinion, when you already have Week/Month/Year, adding "Day" isn't feature bloat at all. It's very similar to the Project status of Abandoned or Cancelled that has been requested -- not feature bloat even though people could use a flag for this too.
What someone earlier in the thread made me realize is that I have a lot of tasks that truly are daily goals, even though I don't always mark them to be done today with a star. But when I look at my time horizons, Day is actually the most common.
It's not a critical bug, but I do consider a somewhat incomplete feature and adding a fourth field should be easy to code.
It's not a critical bug, but I do consider a somewhat incomplete feature and adding a fourth field should be easy to code.
But it's OK if we see it differently; my perspective doesn't make yours any less valid!
Lisa
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Sheng Liu <jmm...@gmail.com> wrote:
Wasn't the idea to highlight some goals to be completed "today", yet free up the star for other use e.g. a combination of daily, weekly, monthly, etc. for present-day focus?
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