Feature request: iPhone...

[stingray]

Hi, I know it has been requested several times and you are already
working on it, but I would like to emphasize again the urgent need for
iPhone-Sync. In my opinion an Internet-based sync is not necessary.
Omnifocus and Things, the leading Todo-Managers on the Mac are also
syncing directly to the iPhone.

I am a very satisfied MLO-user, but now I am using the iPhone and I
have to look for a new solution. The question is: should I look for a
shortterm solution only for a few weeks or is the MLO on the iPhone
still several months away. It would be really important that you give
at least a rough timeframe.

Thanks a lot!

[tele...@live.com]

I'm also curious as to how the sync will work and if it will support
the iPod Touch. I'm currently a Blackberry user but would consider
purchasing an iPod Touch if MLO will run on it.

[scoobie]

Same here, I'm a touch user only

[sieben1]

nothing to add. Waiting too, but how long ????

[Cyrel]

I too am a big fan of MLO, but moved from PocketPC to iPhone. I would
love to have a version of MLO on the iPhone, I would pay for it, I
need it! But - if there is no estimate when it is coming, I have to
start looking for alternatives.

Nothing comes close to the power of MLO, and the fact that it works on
Windows is a big plus for me. But I start using the iPhone more than
the PC these days...

Christian

[stingray]

Too bad that nobody is at least answering the many requests for an
iPhone-Version. For me it is a clear sign that MLO on the iPhone is
still very far away. I have now made the switch to Remember the Milk
(RTM):

http://www.rememberthemilk.com

I could really only recommend it. It is basically an online service
with very nice features to get your tasks under control. It has a very
clean and nice interface and runs in your browser on PC, Mac or
whatever you like. The iPhone-App is great and is syncing through wlan
or 3G/EDGE with your online tasks. My biggest fear with an online
service was that you are not able to work as soon as you have no
internet connection but RTM supports Google Gears. So you could even
work in your browser when you are ofline. RTM also offers an GMail
extension and a gadget to be included on your iGoogle page.

RTM is no MLO, but it is less cluttered and keeps your tasks better
under control. It is a perfect GTD tool and costs 25 USD/year at the
moment.

If MLO for the iPhone is a killer app it is not impossible that I am
switching back but at the moment I am very happy RTM...

On 4 Mrz., 23:15, stingray <thomas....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, I know it has been requested several times and you are already

> working on it, but I would like to emphasize again the urgent need foriPhone-Sync. In my opinion an Internet-based sync is not necessary.

> Omnifocus and Things, the leading Todo-Managers on the Mac are also
> syncing directly to theiPhone.
>

> I am a very satisfied MLO-user, but now I am using theiPhoneand I

[Andrew]

Andrey:

Now that 2.5.1 is out, any update on the progress of MLO for iPhone?

[foley...@gmail.com]

I think a more generalised web available version for use on
smartphones would be priority 1, followed by a version that takes
advantage of some of the cool gee-gaws the iphone offers.

Cheers

On Mar 29, 3:12 pm, Andrew <acollins2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrey:
>
> Now that 2.5.1 is out, any update on the progress of MLO foriPhone?
>
> On Mar 19, 5:59 pm, stingray <thomas....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Too bad that nobody is at least answering the many requests for an
> >iPhone-Version. For me it is a clear sign that MLO on theiPhoneis
> > still very far away. I have now made the switch to Remember the Milk
> > (RTM):
>
> >http://www.rememberthemilk.com
>
> > I could really only recommend it. It is basically an online service
> > with very nice features to get your tasks under control. It has a very
> > clean and nice interface and runs in your browser on PC, Mac or

> > whatever you like. TheiPhone-App is great and is syncing through wlan

> > or 3G/EDGE with your online tasks. My biggest fear with an online
> > service was that you are not able to work as soon as you have no
> > internet connection but RTM supports Google Gears. So you could even
> > work in your browser when you are ofline. RTM also offers an GMail
> > extension and a gadget to be included on your iGoogle page.
>
> > RTM is no MLO, but it is less cluttered and keeps your tasks better
> > under control. It is a perfect GTD tool and costs 25 USD/year at the
> > moment.
>

> > If MLO for theiPhoneis a killer app it is not impossible that I am

[Jon R]

Just another vote here for prioritising an iPhone version!

I used my PPC devices for many years but I can safely say I will never
ever ever ever be owning one again. I wasted a massive amount of time
configuring them to my liking and trying to get them to reliably
synchronise with Windows but in the end, compared to the iPhone, it
was always rubbish. If you've had a PPC and then an iPhone, you'll
probably understand! The iPhone does so much and it just works,
beautifully! :)

Jon

[Marc]

I'll add my vote here as well. I really don't like the various
tracking programs that are available on the iphone. I miss being able
to carry my MLO lists around.

Marc

[Swifty]

+1 as well. I'm currently using MLO on PC and PPC and the only reason
I keep the PPC around is because it also doubles as a GPS device.

Although I am currently a Blackberry user I will purchase an iPod
Touch the day that MLO releases for this platform.

[scoobie]

Given Andrew's committed to doing this I assume we will get it
eventually, but experience with other developers and the general speed
of other MLO updates leads me to predict this is still some way off.
I've seen other developers taking over a year from announcement for
the iphone to actually releasing the converted product
And I suspect MLO is not that easy a thing to convert as it has so
much functionality compared to the more basic task managers
Then the problems don't end with when its released - you've got to
beta test and bug fix.
Take the LB conversion, its still getting bad reviews after the 5th
release, 6 months into the release - they had a lot of bugs in the
conversion
So in the absence of any forecast from Andrew (which I'm interpreting
as he doesn't know and doesn't want to disappoint) my guess is it will
be Christmas before beta, then 2 month further development prior to
launch, then this time next year before a reasonably stable release
Of course, I hope I am proved very wrong and its out much earlier.

[murratore]

Please at least inform us what is the current situation....are you
working on a Iphone app or not? or at least on a webapp?

[Feeny]

I'm with these folks, I'm a big fan of MLO but I am holding off
getting an iphone until I see some sort of 'for-real' news that there
really IS going to be an iphone app and this isn't just vapourware
(Duke Nukem all the way!)

On Apr 30, 2:02 am, murratore <michi.mau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please at least inform us what is the current situation....are you

> working on aIphoneapp or not? or at least on a webapp?

[Josh P]

It's been so long now I'm beginning to think perhaps this is no longer
being developed. I haven't seen a work about it in a very long time.

[phil reaston]

I kept asking for a while about the iPhone version, but never got a response. I seem to recall someone saying a version was being developed, but there's been no info since then.

It would be nice to know even a vague timeline - if there is one.

Phil Reaston

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Josh P <tele...@live.com> wrote:

It's been so long now I'm beginning to think perhaps this is no longer
being developed. I haven't seen a work about it in a very long time.

--
Phil Reaston

[Mark Levison]

You can ask but in my entire time on this forum Andrey has never given timeline or development status information. He always just replies that he's working on it. Personally I prefer a more open style - but its his product and so his approach.

Net result you're unlikely to know a timeline soon.

Cheers
Mark

[macanha]

At least a "inbox" app will be something for US.

[pottster]

See below from Andrey - in response to a post yesterday.

> Thanks! Now I'm just desparetly looking for a way to get MLO tasks
> into my iPhone!

Can confirm we are working on it. I can say that my personal iPhone is
missing my MLO tasks also.
Now that we have v3 released we can concentrate on iPhone with more
dedication.

Andrey.

[scoobie]

Its going to be a very big job to get it on the iphone unless its got
scaled back features. Just implementing the tree structure on such a
small screen will be a challenge.

[Mark Levison]

Something that might help is if Andrey posted a few of the current Screen shots as early teasers. It could made clear that this is a work in progress and subject to change, yet it would renew faith and convince some that this product will eventually appear.

Cheers
Mark

[Andrey]

I will post something as soon as UI is ready for the screenshots. The
most work done now is related to data and logic layers.

A.

On Jun 4, 1:48 am, Mark Levison <m...@smart-life-choices.com> wrote:
> Something that might help is if Andrey posted a few of the current Screen
> shots as early teasers. It could made clear that this is a work in progress
> and subject to change, yet it would renew faith and convince some that this
> product will eventually appear.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>

[scoobie]

Great news thanks Andrey

[macanha]

please, throw us a bone!

On 5 jun, 07:44, Andrey <for...@myLifeOrganized.net> wrote:
> I will post something as soon as UI is ready for the screenshots.  The
> most work done now is related to data and logic layers.
>
> A.
>
> On Jun 4, 1:48 am, Mark Levison <m...@smart-life-choices.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Something that might help is if Andrey posted a few of the current Screen
> > shots as early teasers. It could made clear that this is a work in progress
> > and subject to change, yet it would renew faith and convince some that this
> > product will eventually appear.
>
> > Cheers
> > Mark
>
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:20 PM, scoobie <paulphillipsdidsb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>

> > > Its going to be a very big job to get it on theiphoneunless its got

> > > scaled back features. Just implementing the tree structure on such a
> > > small screen will be a challenge.
>
> > > On 3 June, 11:55, pottster <kenwarren...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > See below from Andrey - in response to a post yesterday.
>
> > > > > Thanks!  Now I'm just desparetly looking for a way to get MLO tasks
> > > > > into myiPhone!
>
> > > > Can confirm we are working on it. I can say that my personaliPhoneis
> > > > missing my MLO tasks also.

> > > > Now that we have v3 released we can concentrate oniPhonewith more

[Andrey]

> please, throw us a bone!

OK, here you go :-)

3.0 release allowed me to concentrate on iPhone development and speed
it up. I have found a guy who may help Oleg with iPhone UI. We had
several talks already and he likes the concept. Hope this will allow
us to draft the UI fast and connect it to the business logic and data
access layer Oleg already implemented for iPhone (and tested in PPC).

I will post rare news on this and other subject in my twitter I
created recently: http://twitter.com/MyLifeOrg
I am new at twitter and will see if it works for me. I like to do
something more then just talk :-)

Andrey.

[dskeeles]

Likewise - I've had my iPhone 3GS for a week now, and am surviving
with MLO on my PC, and ToodleDo on the iPhone (was cheap & usable) for
jotting down notes until I get back to my laptop. I was another who
held off iPhone for over 6 months - partly while waiting for what
turned out to be the 3GS, and mostly because I would miss MLO.

An iPhone version would rock! Ominfocus is useless without a synced
Windows client (I spend my productive day at my /work/ PC - how many
office workers have Macs?). Things, RTM, etc with a web-based
interface, are poor compromises.

I can see Andrey's challenge though - churn out a reasonable iPhone
implementation, and although we'd be happy, any non MLO-loyalists who
blindly download it may rate it poorly vs flashier iPhone apps like
Omnifocus with features like geo-awareness, and it may get poor
ratings as a result - despite still being everything the loyal PC-
based MLO user wants. MLO also benefits from all the advanced configs
and lists that require 'busy' screens, which is something the iPhone
GUI discourages.

Go the other way, and spend ages developing flashy features before
release, and those of us bouncing off the walls waiting for a version,
will wait for a long time. However, if it then does well in the App
Store ratings, then more newcomers are likely to buy it (since, hey,
people just spend more when it's as easy as clicking "Buy Now"), and
they will then be directed to the PC version and thus spend again.

I'm obviously with the former group; I need it yesterday! It seems the
only time I have to check my tasks are when I'm travelling, and so if
it's not on my PDA, then I'm not using it. :-(


D

[jamesx4]

Yeah, I'm in a similiar boat. I'm still keeping up on MLO updates,
but I'm really not using MLO right now until an iPhone version is
available since I need my tasks and reference material anywhere. So
in the meantime I'm using Toodledo for tasks/events/appointments and
Evernote for reference material/logs/notes. Once MLO has an iPhone
version available I can easily handle all this in MLO and reap the
many benefits that MLO brings over anything else out there such as the
prioritization schemes (very helpful). MLO is by far my favorite PIM,
but I just can't effectively use until I have something for my
iPhone.

I will say Toodledo is a great program also. Seems like MLO and
iPhone developers are cut from the same cloth...they're both very
responsive to their customer base, more so than any other company I've
come across!

Keep up the good work!!

[jamesx4]

Actually, to be perfectly honest...I'd love to see MLO and Toodledo
work out more of a direct sync option. MLO already has the capability
to periodically sync between to PCs using the sync option via
Scheduled Tasks and MLO's command line sync option or just using the
F9 sync option. If MLO built up capability to sync to Toodledo via
this path, Toodledo is probably flexible enough organize MLO data in a
meaningful way. Sure there's some MLO features that wouldn't be
available in Toodledo, but that actually goes both ways.

I generally do my in-depth planning and heavy note taking at a PC
(would love this to be MLO). I execute and capture many tasks from my
iPhone (Toodledo for iPhone works well for this). The thing I don't
like doing so much is heavy planning in Toodledo's interface when
compared to MLO, although I like Toodledo better than just about
anything else due to it's flexibility.

I bet a good MLO to Toodledo sync option could be pulled off quicker
than a good MLO iPhone app. Either way works for me!!

[scoobie]

Bear in mind once it surfaces its got to go through beta, and then
probably a few iterations before it works perfectly.
I am using Life Balance on the iphone (LB is the mother of MLO) and
they only got it working right on the fifth release which took nearly
a year I think from the first release.
We could be a least a year off from a reasonable implementation of MLO
on the iphone therefore is my conclusion.
One of the most challanging things is the screen size and the touch
interface which requires a complete rethink of the user interface. In
the case of LB they have only got the interface right on the 5th
version of the iphone app.

[dskeeles]

Wow - you're right. I was using Toodledoo as a basic foldered Task
list, but I see there's quite a bit to it behind the basics.

Point taken on other comments as well. As I mentioned - a key MLO
strength is the ability to see the whole list - something that the
iPhone detracts from. I've just checked - I have 450 tasks, some years
old*, and some up to 6 structures deep (eg. Work -> Clients -> Client
A -> Project A -> Presentation A -> Tasks for presentation). Putting
aside my own life management skills for a moment, it's the 'down-time'
of a long airplane flight, or other journey, when I actually sit down
and look a little further than next week in my task list - so it would
be nice to have the entire content there, not a stripped-down version
of it. Outlook tasks can tell me what I need to do today; MLO can tell
me what I really should be doing. It's clear Toodledoo won't stretch
that far.

And again - if Andrey decides to go for 'basic version first', then
perhaps just the basic features are good enough to start with -
leaving advanced stuff until a later version.


D

* Why? Because I don't use MLO enough, that's why!

[Nick Clark]

The screen layout shouldn't be a problem as MLO v3 has got it pretty much nailed on the PPC version and the screen res is much the same. The lack of a stylus option may stymie it though.

Actually MLO is the reason I've stuck with PPC (along with mobile Office - Word, Onenote and Excel) rather than go to Nokia. iPhone never really interested me as the HTC devices are just as good for my purposes.

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: scoobie <paulphilli...@gmail.com>
Sent: 10 July 2009 19:22
To: MyLifeOrganized <myLifeO...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [MLO] Re: Feature request: iPhone...


Bear in mind once it surfaces its got to go through beta, and then
probably a few iterations before it works perfectly.
I am using Life Balance on the iphone (LB is the mother of MLO) and
they only got it working right on the fifth release which took nearly
a year I think from the first release.
We could be a least a year off from a reasonable implementation of MLO
on the iphone therefore is my conclusion.
One of the most challanging things is the screen size and the touch
interface which requires a complete rethink of the user interface. In
the case of LB they have only got the interface right on the 5th
version of the iphone app.

[danliebke]

I've been keeping a subset of my MLO data synced with Toodledoo, using
Outlook as an intermediary. I then use my iPhone and the Toodledoo app
to access this MLO info while out and about.

Not the most elegant solution, but it's keeping me going until a MLO
native iPhone app is done.

I have a view in MLO set up called 'iPhoneSync' that contains tasks
that I could do/be reminded from my iPhone.

So my @Errands, my @Calls and a list of projects that need to be
brainstormed.

This view then gets synced to Outlook. And then the Toodledoo app
syncs it into its system and onto the iPhone.

The only real problem I've had with it so far is that, my MLO tasks
have multiple contexts. These are mapped to multiple folders in
Outlook, but Toodledoo only has room for one folder. So the rest go
missing. A minor niggle.

Apart from that, it seems to work reasonably well for me. I probably
wouldn't be brave enough to sync my entire list to Toodledoo this way,
but for this subset of tasks, I'm willing to go with it.

Dan

[ratz]

On Jun 20, 5:22 am, Andrey <for...@myLifeOrganized.net> wrote:
> > please, throw us a bone!
>

> OK, here you go :-)
>

Here's another bone.... I spent the 4th of July holiday looking at 70+
existing todo apps for the iphone to see how not to do it. :)

[scoobie]

LB's not bad you know - did you look at that?
I agree about the rest though.

[Andrey Tkachuk]

We created special group for MLO-iPhone discussions:
http://groups.google.com/group/MLO-iPhone

I encourage you to post your ideas there. Good examples of app,
screenshots etc.
We will post MLO iPhone screenshots once we have something.

The most active and serious users will be invited for the beta
program.


Andrey.

P.S.
We also have group like this for BlackBerry development:
http://groups.google.com/group/MLO-BlackBerry