Seeking Your Input: Features for MultiValue.World Website

[Jay La Bonte]

Dear MVDBMS Community,

As we continue to develop and enhance the MultiValue.World website, we highly value your input and perspective. Your feedback is crucial in ensuring that MultiValue.World becomes a valuable resource for our community.

We are reaching out to you, the esteemed members of the MVDBMS Google Group, to gather insights on what features you believe would make MultiValue.World truly useful and engaging for you. Whether you're a seasoned professional or just starting out in the MultiValue realm, your opinion matters greatly to us.

Here are a few guiding questions to spark your thoughts:

1. What specific functionalities would you like to see on MultiValue.World that would enhance your experience as a member of the MultiValue community?
2. Are there any tools, resources, or forums that you believe are essential for a comprehensive MultiValue platform?
3. How can MultiValue.World encourage greater participation and collaboration among its users?
4. Are there any features or content types that you feel are currently missing in the MultiValue ecosystem?

Your insights will directly shape the development of MultiValue.World, making it a more valuable resource for everyone in the community. We're committed to creating a platform that not only meets your needs but exceeds your expectations.

Please feel free to share your thoughts, ideas, and suggestions in this thread. Your feedback is incredibly valuable to us, and we thank you in advance for taking the time to contribute.

Looking forward to hearing from you!https://multivalue.world/

Warm regards,
Jay LaBonte
MultiValue.World Team

[Dawn Wolthuis]

I see that you have "MultiValue Solution Providers," and there are many third parties that work with more than just MV, others who work exclusively with MV but their solutions are in the form of services rather than product. I would like to see a more comprehensive list of companies and their services or products that are useful to companies employing MV, with some categories (multi-valued, of course).

That's just a thought. As we move forward with access via REST APIs or maybe even GraphQL in the future or jdbc (e.g. Cache' MV), many more tools would fit into these categories. So, having some clarity that it is a product used by MV shops might be helpful too, with a user site if there is one willing to be identified.

This would be more like the MV ecosystem than strictly MV-related products.

Do you happen to know why Evoke is on your list of products while Informer is not? It might be because Informer works just as well for SQL databases, REST APIs, and other data sources, but I think Evoke includes features for SQL databases too.

Just my initial thoughts. Let me know if there are other ways I can be helpful, Jay.  --Dawn

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[Jay LaBonte]

Dawn,

 

Great suggestions. The reason others are not on the Solution Providers list is because I have not had time to add more.

 

We are in the process of designing a form for Solutions and Resource Links. In the meantime, eel free to use the contacts form to provide a URL and details for any additional links you would like to see.

 

Jay LaBonte

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[Keith]

Jay,

 

I would like to see links to application software written in MV,  perhaps user ratings as well.

 

I think opportunities to employ mv programmers and availability for those programmers to work would also be a welcome addition.

 

We need a one stop site for all things MV.  You might as well be the one to do it.

 

Keith Grill

President

DBMS Inc.

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318-572-3196 – cell

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[Jay LaBonte]

Great Ideas.

 

Currently on the MultiValue.World site, under “Resources” there are links to various websites, and under the “Solutions” menu is an area of Solution providers and/or software for MV.

 

Currently it does not have ratings or reviews, but I will not that and see what can be done.

 

As for opportunities, I am also working on a Job posting section when companies can post open positions.

 

I am happy to be the one to create a central hub for all things MV. The real challenge is getting the community to use the site and contribute.

 

One of the latest feature we have added was Member to Member chat capabilities, where members can talk one-on-one or as a group.

 

Jay LaBonte

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[Richard Lewis]

I'm not able to look at it at work, since I get the following error when I try:

This site can’t provide a secure connection

www.multivalue-world.com uses an unsupported protocol.

ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH

My employer is extremely security conscious, so they tend to be very particular about the websites that we try to visit.

Best Regards,

Richard Lewis

Senior Software Engineer II

Nu Skin Enterprises

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[Keith]

Jay,

 

I guess I was also referring to listings for vertical market applications:  wholesale distribution, retail/pos, government, medical, etc.. and a place to provide links to those providers.

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[Will Johnson]

You mean like this

https://sites.google.com/site/pickuniverse/companies-that-use-pick

[keit...@gmail.com]

Yes, I guess so.  I was mostly thinking about application developers/providers in specific vertical markets.

 

Keith

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[Will Johnson]

Do you mean separating all of these providers into clusters? Like this provider focuses only on Government, Non-Profits, Distribution....

That sort of thing? Grouping them?

[keit...@gmail.com]

Not necessarily, but that would probably be preferred if there are a bunch that participate.  The goal being that if any of us run across an end user that needs automation, but they are not in our particular vertical market, we will be more easily able to make recommendations to other MV providers.

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[Jay LaBonte]

MultiValue.world points to multivalue-world.com

 

The certificates are current and use the most current version. You may have an old certificate for this site.

 

What browser are you using? Have you tried a different browser?

 

Sometimes cached data or cookies can cause SSL/TLS issues, have you cleared you browser cache and cookies?

Disable browser extension, as they may interfere with SSL/TLS connections.

Check you firewall and antivirus settings.

Have you confirmed that you are using https:// andf not http://

 

 

Jay

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[Daniel Hopkins]

Also, have you tried turning your pc off and back on again?

Heheh I couldn’t help myself 😃

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[Jay LaBonte]

I have three tables right now:

 

1. Solution providers
2. Links
3. Who Uses MutliValue

 

I am working on a form to allow members to add links, and I already have the “Who Uses MV” form prompting for Vender, End User and Consultant. I can expand on this with additional choices, if that would help.

 

As for the Solutions listing, I’m working on a form for that as well, and I could create a field for categories and try and add a filter to the top of the page.

 

Would these changes make the pages more usable?

 

For the Solutions, what categories would you like to see?

 

Jay

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[Will Johnson]

I think categories at least Government, Distribution, Accounting, Manufacturing

Since there are many vendors who *only* serve those sectors exclusively

And those sectors have many features or components that general software would not necessarily have

[Richard Lewis]

😄

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[Jay LaBonte]

Ok, I have updated the Solutions page to include the following categories:

 

Consultants

Databases

Distribution

Education

Finance

Government

Integrators

Manufacturing

Services

Software

 

I also added a filter to the display so you can easily select one or more categories to display.

 

Let me know if this works for you or if you would like additional categories, or other data collected when users enter solutions.

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[Keith Grill]

I don't see Retail Managment or Point of Sale amongst the choices.

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[Peter McMurray]

Point of Sale is a specialist topic not a normal Pick option these days. I have just installed a link to Fuel tanks - SMARTFILL - they can be installed anywhere. In the bush outback or in the main street as in Launceston. No underground storage required, no environmental leakage issues. They work either from a credit card or a customer key fob instantly in the cloud. I simply download just like any other card . The petrol compainies and supermarkets have had their own in house till solutions for 30+ years. Small grocers don't need a full Pick system for each store. I did not pop up our system as I finally retired at 82 :-) 

[Keith Grill]

I beg to differ Peter.  We continue to enhance, maintain,  license and install our point of sale system running on D3 Linux in hardware stores, lumber yards, home centers, feed and seed, and more throughout the country.... at a pace of about one a month.  These are new D3 systems and new D3 users in mom and pop business in small and large towns at a competitive price.  They do not require IT departments and put multi-value in the hands of every day folks to help make money for their businesses.  Our systems communicate with Ace, Do It Best, True Value and others in the retail hardware. Perhaps you should not make bold statements about things you are not well versed in.

[Peter McMurray]

Interesting KeithYou should not assume knowledge of others.
Obviously you have a significant source of funds for marketing and maintenance staff.
Secondly you live in a totally different environment with significant population. We on the other hand live in a place larger than the continental US with a population of under 30 million. 4 major banks, 2 airlines 3 Supermarket chains, no fuel refineries, 4 major fuel suppliers controlled in the main by the supermarkets - 635 of our customer group have been swapped between super market chains 3 times in 10 years because Caltex US changed their minds.
As for linux it is a dead duck with zero support outside the half a dozen major cities. As for Hardware stores - same as supermarkets, Bunnings everywhere plus significant internet retail  now massively expanded by TEMU. The internet expansion is so large Aus Post have cut back deliveries to every second day for mail.
Peerhaps I should have been more specific about environment.

[Jay LaBonte]

It really doesn’t matter. I can easily add the categories. 

The intent here is to create a site that all MV users will want to visit. Most software can fit multiple categories. If later we discover some categories are not being used then we remove those.

It website is just software doesn’t cost anything to add another category.

Jay

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Interesting KeithYou should not assume knowledge of others.

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[Keith]

Actually, we do not have a very large budget for either.  We are a small company with 7 employees, which is the point.  Using Multi-Value and the reliability of D3 allows us to provide first class products and services with much lower overhead than in other environments.  As nice as the web is for some commerce, you will find that DIY homeowners, contractors and others prefer to purchase their building materials and supplies locally and in person for a variety of reasons.

 

As to Linux…. All I can say is that any and all operating system issues we have to deal with on a daily basis are Windows problems almost exclusively.  Random updates that break features that were working the day before are a common occurrence.  By using Pick Basic we avoid the problem associated with 3^rd party layers and players inserting issues that adversely affect the performance and features of our application.  Linux does a consistently reliable job of hosting D3 without the MS drama.

 

Keith

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[Steven Martin Trimble]

Keith, I would agree with you totally with one exception.

I have moved all my D3 customers to QM/Linux. An unbeatable combination. Hard to beat the price even after Rocket got a hold of it.

Today, of ALL apps I use, AccuTerm is my most important Windows app.

Keep doing what you do sir.

CDMI

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[Keith]

Steven,

 

I have never really investigated QM too deeply,  other than dealings I had with Sam Anderson many years ago.

 

Rocket has always been pretty good to us. Even though we have had some disagreements along the way, we have always been able to work together to make things right.

 

We have 90+ individual stores that use our system, so we are loathe to make mass changes which often disrupt with negligible benefit.  Currently we are doing our first new installations using Rocky Linux instead of CentOS.  Differences in installation procedures will result in increased overhead and confusion with likely no real significant benefits that justify the expense, especially when converting existing sites remotely.

 

I am sure it will bite us in the backside when one of our customers asks about adding users or replacing servers…. Aaaarrrrggghhh.   It is just wonderful trying to explain all the fees and gyrations necessary to put old users back on support,  blah blah blah.

 

Sometimes the red tape and hoops are as bad as dealing with the government…LOL.

 

AccuTerm is also important to us, and our application, and the primary Windows app we employ, as well as Print Wizard for signature capture and printing.

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[krnntp]

On reflection, I think a Multi-Value World website would get additional traffic, publicity and could help win people over to the cause, not to mention that it would be a barrel of fun, if it offered a "sandbox" environment where people could try out TCL / the colon prompt interface. The sandbox could have a couple simple emulated files and dictionaries... people could experience and maybe write an i-descriptor... use SELECT SAVING UNIQUE... use SAVE.LIST AS... etc. And another window, to sandbox pickfamily-BASIC code that is able to interact with the same emulated VOC.

Something along the lines of what this site does for SQL:

https://www.db-fiddle.com/

I was pretty sad to see their emulation limited to flavors of SQL; no Oracle, and no Multivalue.

Best,

KW Russell

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[Jay LaBonte]

I like that. I could have sworn I saw a small self-contained MultiValue implementation somewhere. I think it would be perfect for this.  Has anyone else ever found this implementation?

 

Jay

 

 

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On reflection, I think a Multi-Value World website would get additional traffic, publicity and could help win people over to the cause, not to mention that it would be a barrel of fun, if it offered a "sandbox" environment where people could try out TCL / the colon prompt interface. The sandbox could have a couple simple emulated files and dictionaries... people could experience and maybe write an i-descriptor... use SELECT SAVING UNIQUE... use SAVE.LIST AS... etc. And another window, to sandbox pickfamily-BASIC code that is able to interact with the same emulated VOC.

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[Wol]

On 09/05/2024 23:47, 'Jay LaBonte' via Pick and MultiValue Databases wrote:
> I like that. I could have sworn I saw a small self-contained MultiValue
> implementation somewhere. I think it would be perfect for this.  Has
> anyone else ever found this implementation?

I think I've seen somewhere were you can set up a terminal inside a
browser. Connect that to ScarletDME and Robert's your mum's sister's
husband.

Cheers,
Wol

[Jay LaBonte]

I have been looking for a browser based terminal emulator that works, for a long time.

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Jay LaBonte
President & CEO

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[IZZI ZMAN]

Jay,

Go to Google Chrome store and search for "SSH Client". There are a few
I've tried and they work. I also found them for Firefox as well.

Izzi

[Steven Martin Trimble]

AccuTerm has been doing this for quite some time.

CDMI

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[Jim Idle]

Depends what you mean by terminal emulator of course. If you mean you want it to do telnet, then you are likely SOL.

Jim

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[geneb]

On Sat, 11 May 2024, 'Jim Idle' via Pick and MultiValue Databases wrote:

>
> https://xtermjs.org/

>
> Depends what you mean by terminal emulator of course. If you mean you want it to do telnet, then you are likely SOL.
>

Check this out: https://www.ftelnet.ca/

It's primarily meant for accessing Bulletin Board Systems, but has a
pretty complete ANSI terminal emulation.

g.

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[Peter Schellenbach]

The problem with an in-browser terminal emulator is that browsers do not permit raw tcp connections (telnet or ssh). AccuTerm Web solves this by using a websocket server on the DB server and using websocket connection from the browser. The server component then connects to the MVDB.  Maybe one day the MVDB will accept websocket for terminal connection but hasn't happened yet. Browser extensions, like Izzi mentioned, have more flexibility than a plain web page like you would use with xtermjs.

[Nivethan T]

You can get ScarletDME running in the browser. I've long thought having a proper Pick environment in the browser could be a great teaching tool. I think wiring this up to a filesystem on a server so you can save data would be great. Once that's done one can write a textbook where you work through things in a fully web based environment which would make it easier to learn Pick.

Here is a demo version I have running:

https://nivethan.dev/projects/v86/scarlet.html

Instructions at:

https://nivethan.dev/devlog/scarletdme-in-the-browser!.html

You can also run R83 in the browser:

https://github.com/Krowemoh/R83

[Steven Martin Trimble]

very cool stuff

good job!

CDMI

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[krnntp]

Nivethan T, 

Wow!!!!!

Incredible! This is so cool.

I've been looking at how to get ScarletDME to run in Termux on Android (I finally got it to compile, but user id issues are throwing up a roadblock). I'll have to look at how you handled this stuff!!

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[Nivethan T]

Take a look at the utils/install.sh and utils/install-mac.sh to see the core things you need to set up to get scarletdme to run.

https://github.com/Krowemoh/ScarletDME

I did try to get it running under iSH which is a Linux emulator for the iphone but the developer didn't implement the sys v semaphores and so I gave up. This might be a similar problem in Termux that you may run into. 

I'd love to see Pick running off a phone! Good luck!

[Jay LaBonte]

This is great and I would like to pursue it further.

 

I want to know more.

 

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You can get ScarletDME running in the browser. I've long thought having a proper Pick environment in the browser could be a great teaching tool. I think wiring this up to a filesystem on a server so you can save data would be great. Once that's done one can write a textbook where you work through things in a fully web based environment which would make it easier to learn Pick.

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[gplcoder1]

Sweet,

Tried this some days back and it worked well. Now, I cannot get in. Getting a certificate expired browser error. Can you please update the cert.

Thanks

Rick Smereka

Future Laboratory Inc.

[Steven Martin Trimble]

yep you are right - same for me as well - I am using Google Chrome browser

it doesn't like the https

you might want to use Lets Encrypt - free https certs

https://letsencrypt.org/

I really like your idea

Please include me in any updates.

be well,

CDMI

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[Nivethan T]

Sorry boys and girls, updated now.

This is the problem with running everything homebrew. Steven, it is using letsencrypt but the cron didn't go off smh.

Jay, feel free to spout off any ideas of how you want to pursue this, I have some time now so I might dig into wiring up filesystem logic so there is some form of persistence. The short term goal is to give the user a download option so you can download any changes you make to the running system and then load it back in at a future date.

[Nivethan T]

The short term goals are complete for now. You can upload and download files into ScarletDME and more importantly save the current state and then load it in at a later time.

https://nivethan.dev/projects/v86/scarlet.html

[Jay LaBonte]

I like it. I will play with it and see what I come up with for improvement ideas.

 

 

Regards,

Jay LaBonte

 

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The short term goals are complete for now. You can upload and download files into ScarletDME and more importantly save the current state and then load it in at a later time.

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