Jon Sisk

[Toby Kraft]

I just learned that Jon Sisk passed away today.  I taught classes for Jon for several years.  What can I say?  We all knew him and his many contributions to the Pick world.  He will be missed.

Mark Brown posted the news:

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/o3uXD39q2AQ5Yfre/?mibextid=xfxF2i

[Bill H]

Man, I am sorry to hear about that.  He was a good friend and I'll miss him.  :-(

[frosty]

Very sad and unexpected news. He will be missed.

[John Wells]

RIP Jon. Maybe you can teach them a little bit up there. :-)

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[Dawn Wolthuis]

Oh, I’m so, so sorry to hear this. Yes, he will be missed. RIP JES.  —Dawn

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I just learned that Jon Sisk passed away today.  I taught classes for Jon for several years.  What can I say?  We all knew him and his many contributions to the Pick world.  He will be missed.

Mark Brown posted the news:

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[Mike Yates]

This price is a suitable tribute!

[Jim Idle]

All hail Jon Sisk - A good man all around!

Thank you for the information, as sad as it is.

JIm

[Jay LaBonte]

We have setup a Memorial site to remember all the Multivalue pioneers. Jonathan is our first entry. Idf you are interested in leaving a comment or story about Jonathan, please feel free to visit

 

https://www.multivalue-world.com/multivalue-memorial

 

 

This new memorial page is dedicated to honoring the pioneers of the MultiValue community. It serves as a place for friends, colleagues, and enthusiasts to come together, share memories, and celebrate the lasting contributions these innovators have made to the field. As we gather more stories and reflections, this page will be updated to ensure their legacies continue to inspire future generations.

 

Additionally, if you feel there are others that should be remember in the multivalue community, please feel free to let us know and we will add their names to the list to be included.

 

Jay LaBonte

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[geneb]

On Fri, 9 Aug 2024, 'Jay LaBonte' via Pick and MultiValue Databases wrote:

> Additionally, if you feel there are others that should be remember in
> the multivalue community, please feel free to let us know and we will
> add their names to the list to be included.

Joe Cupp - His knowledge of D3 internals was amazing. I'm sure many of
you here knew him or knew of him.

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[Jay LaBonte]

I would be happy to add him to the memoriam. DO you have any details or links so that we can create a fitting tribute?


Regards,
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[Toby Kraft]

The original pickwiki site had a memorial page on it with perhaps 15 names on it.  Somehow that has vanished and been replaced by an empty non-functional site hosted at Zumasys.

https://www.zumasys.com/2015/03/13/celebrate-the-50th-anniversary-of-multivalue-at-pickwiki-com/

https://www.zumasys.com/PickWiki/

Don Nelson, Ken Simms, Dick Pick, Tim Holland, John Timmons, Dennis Auler, come to mind....  Jim Stephens perhaps recalls more of them.

Site listing early people -> http://www.countyhistorian.com/knol/4hmquk6fx4gu-718-pick-operating-system-people.html

Anyone here involved in the old (or new) pickwiki that might have an archive??

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[geneb]

On Fri, 9 Aug 2024, 'Jay LaBonte' via Pick and MultiValue Databases wrote:

> I would be happy to add him to the memoriam. DO you have any details or links so that we can create a fitting tribute?
>

I do not - I belive Joe passed away over 10 years ago. Peter from Zumasys
would know - that's where Joe worked for a long time.

[Lisa Levsen]

Jonathan taught me how to program. I taught his classes (after being JES certified) and sold his books for years. I have 5 boxes of his books in my house. I am bereft at his passing and wish I had known so I could tell him how much his teaching meant to me and every other person I taught. He was also funny and intelligent and snarky and a very good friend.

This hurts in a way that I haven't felt since Dick Pick passed away. 

For all of us who used JES & Associates publications or training, I know that it helped us deliver quality software and results. His legacy will live on, but those of us who knew him personally will miss his intelligence, wit, snarkiness, and compassion.

Jonathan was one of a kind. I wish him joy in the after life with lots of dogs, good conversation and good food and drink. He loved all of those things.

Kind Regards,

Lisa

Lisa Levsen

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[Toby Kraft]

I found the old memorial page on the Wayback Machine.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230307194341/https://www.pickwiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

https://web.archive.org/web/20190624022113/https://www.pickwiki.com/index.php/InMemoriam

Appears that sometime after 3/7/2023 Zumasys pulled the plug on the site.  The 4/15/2024 archive just shows "If you see this page, the nginx web server is successfully installed and working." for the pickwiki.com page.

Sadly, the individual person's pages were not archived (dynamic cgi-bin issue I suspect).   The list of names is:

Dick Pick
Don Nelson
Ken Simms
Gregory Michael Amov
Dennis Auler
Bruno Beninca
Luke Bucklin
Jeff Burslem
Joe Cupp
Mike Ganz
Cliff Myers
Bruce Nichol
Jay Otto
Bill Thurman
John Timmons
Henry Vu
Dave Weaver

[Lisa Levsen]

Everything about this makes me sad. Except for remembering the intelligence, kindness, quirkiness and technology sharing all of these lovely human beings did professionally. I knew 75% of them personally. I am grateful for the training and technological gifts they shared with me.  Jon's passing brings back so many others who I respected and learned from who have passed. I know none of us are getting out of here alive, but I will miss Jon and how he made the brilliance of the Pick Operating System and database available and accessible to everyone.

Blessings to Jon's family and close friends.

Lisa Levsen

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[Tony Gravagno]

I created and maintained those InMemorium pages. The price for working in an aging community, it got increasingly depressing as we lost more of our dear colleagues, friends, adopted family. I stopped when Zumasys adopted the domain and updates became more difficult. As they took on the role of community leaders I had hoped that they would contribute to the content. But they didn't. That page was never updated to include those who are now gone, colleagues who we deeply respected and appreciated in our lives. Zumasys/Rocket unceremoniously disposed of the entire pickwiki site, this one of few community resources, in their clueless ignorance of what makes this industry anything more than just another technical niche - the people.

Jon and I talked about this and other things as he walked his dogs and contemplated what he had done with his life and where he was now. We talked about our first meeting in the late 80's, and the fun rides he had in the industry. We talked about teaching Pick and the thrill of watching new eyes light up as they learned the platform. (I was teaching for Matt Stern (CCS) some years before joining Pick Systems.) He had a deep respect for many people in this industry, especially Henry Eggers. I fondly recall the energizing lunches the two of us had, when we were at post PickAxe Pick/RD and there was so much that was possible to revitalize the industry ... possible, but no doubt, not highly probable.

We were really hoping that Zumasys would open the platform to a new world. Rocket added Python for new audiences too, but it was apparent early-on that they had no clue about how to educate anyone who was attracted. So a few years ago he gave me permission to use his written materials to create new documentation resources for new developers, and I would have asked others if I had continued. But Jon and I agreed that this would have been just another labor of love with little to no reward ... "you're welcome to go ahead, my son, but you probably shouldn't" - he occasionally alternated between calling me "little brother" and "my son" with regard to his senior industry status. Soon after, Zumasys sold assets to Rocket, Rocket was acquired and there were management changes (I don't remember which came first). After many exchanges it was apparent that they had no interest in industry growth of any kind (Hello? ROI?). I decided to wrap it all up too, and start looking forward. Jon said it was one of the best things I had ever done. Thanks man.

Sometime this weekend I'm gonna cry.

T

[Jay LaBonte]

Tony and the entire MultiValue Community,

 

Jon’s contributions will be deeply missed, and I want to express my sincere appreciation for all the efforts he put into our community. With MultiValue World, our goal is to carry forward the legacy of those who have significantly shaped this community. We aim to be the central archive for all things MultiValue, ensuring that the valuable knowledge and documentation from our legends are preserved for future generations.

 

As each contributor to the MultiValue community passes, we risk losing the wealth of information they created and documented over the years. MultiValue World is committed to preventing this loss by serving as the go-to repository for all historical and educational resources related to MultiValue.

 

I encourage anyone with historical information, documents, or materials that should be part of our archive to reach out and share it with us. Your contributions will play a critical role in keeping the spirit and knowledge of the MultiValue community alive and accessible.

 

Thank you for your continued support. We look forward to sharing further updates with you soon about our upcoming changes at MultiValue World.

 

Regards,

Jay LaBonte

 

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I created and maintained those InMemorium pages. The price for working in an aging community, it got increasingly depressing as we lost more of our dear colleagues, friends, adopted family. I stopped when Zumasys adopted the domain and updates became more difficult. As they took on the role of community leaders I had hoped that they would contribute to the content. But they didn't. That page was never updated to include those who are now gone, colleagues who we deeply respected and appreciated in our lives. Zumasys/Rocket unceremoniously disposed of the entire pickwiki site, this one of few community resources, in their clueless ignorance of what makes this industry anything more than just another technical niche - the people.

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[Ian McGowan]

I have an archive of the wiki, right before it went offline after the Rocket acquisition.  It's probably not top-of-mind for either Rocket or Zumasys, but I'll try reaching out and see if there's a way to resurrect it or re-host the content.  Very grateful to Zumasys for hosting for so many years - they did the grueling work of migrating the site to mediawiki and hosted it a lot more reliably than my $5 VPS for many years.  And a lot of very generous people shared interesting content for many years prior to that (Rex Gozar, Wendy Smoak and Tony G being absolute standouts).

There's actually not a lot on the InMemoriam page, but here's the archive: https://simbian.org/pickwiki/index.php/InMemoriam.html

[Ian McGowan]

"  and wish I had known so I could tell him how much his teaching meant to me and every other person I taught."

I like to think he understood the impact he had on so many.  I only knew Jon as an online friend, but always made sure to let him know that his work changed my life - from being an operator changing tapes on an early PICK machine in the 80's to having a life and a career I couldn't have dreamed of.

[Mike Yates]

After posting that (below) I found that Mr Sisk had put all his books in PDF in Dropbox for free!

He also put a better screenshot from Amazon than mine, showing a price of $1250 odd!

Seems to have had the same attitude to "art" as "Banksy"....

However, the links to Dropbox are at "jes.com" - I wonder how long that will stay up?

Also, the link to "The Pick Perspective" misdirects to "The Pick Pocket Guide", already linked.

Has anyone got a copy of that?

Will anyone host these, or persuade Rocket or Zumasys to do so?

[Mike Yates]

As for "jes.com", it contains a message that buyers of the domain are welcome, at around the "Estibot" price of $282,000 !

The resources there seriously need re-hosting before such a millionaire arrives....

[Jay LaBonte]

All the documents on jes.com are now live on multivalue.world

Jay

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As for "jes.com", it contains a message that buyers of the domain are welcome, at around the "Estibot" price of $282,000 !

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[Elaine Litchfield]

Pick Perspective is available here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8p9ad0baauvvtll/The%20PICK%20Perspective%20by%20Ian%20Sandler.pdf?dl=0

[Joe Goldthwaite]

When I first started programming in Pick, someone gave me a copy of an article titled "Guide To Efficient User Of Reality". It's dated October 1976 and was co-authored by Steve Waters (ESCOM) and Tom Ells (Microdata).

It talks about how Reality works and how to get the most out of it. I read through it many times when I was learning. 

A lot of the advice no longer apples in today's world like:

It is generally well known that a good program consists

of a small amount of code sprinkled with a generous portion

of comments. The comments will appear only in the source

program and not in the run-time code. This is ALMOST true.

One of the idiosyncracies of DATA/BASIC is that every

line of source code, no matter what the contents or type of

line, must take up at at least one byte of run-time code, NOT

comments. Agreed, one byte seems a Small price to pay for

program documentation, but what if that byte caused a

program loop to spill over into the next frame? This may

mean two frames would be necessary in a main loop instead of

one. A better way is to stack pertinent comments behind the

statements to which they apply. For example, the

statements:

    *

    * RETRIEVE THE PROPER RECORD

    *

    X=1

    GOSUB 2000

Could be replaced by:

    X=1; GOSUB 2000; * RETRIEVE THE PROPER RECORD

This also illustrates the idea that related statements might

be stacked on a line in order to eliminate the excess bytes.

The use of many blank comment lines or rows of asterisks

used for delineation should be minimized. These would

probably be acceptable between logical segments of the

program, but have no place inside loops or repetitive code.

The document is 32 pages. It's a copy of a copy so the text isn't very clear.  I scanned it at 2400 dpi into individual PNG files then combined them into a PDF.  The PNG files total 278 MB in size. The PDF is 213 MB. I then converted the PDF to a text PDF which is 44 MB.

I'f you'd like to add it to the multivalue.world website let me know where I can send the files and which ones you'd like.

[Jay LaBonte]

Send me anything and everything you got. It will be cataloged and added to the library for all to enjoy. For now you can send it to archives @ multivalue.world 

We are working on a submissions form, but until the you can use the archives email above.

Jay

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[Mike Yates]

Interesting, but are you sure that bytes are saved in the object code?

Would not the semi-colon before the comment create another byte?

Also, no good for programmers paid by the line of code - a practice I hope has died out now, though I came across it at a job interview in THIS century!

Oddly, when porting my programs from Ultimate Pick to SD64 I found that many stacked statements would not compile and more would "format" incorrectly, particularly GO and GOSUB as you have stacked there. You could even stack END in Ultimate (and D3), but not in Universe or SD64.

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[Mike Yates]

Many thanks, Elaine!

Got it now

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[George Gallen]

Are these books really selling for those amounts? or just asking for those amounts?

I've got a great condition Programmers Guide - I'd part with that - still has the TAB return mail card.

but the pick pocket guide - that one I have to keep......it almost doomed my marriage before it even

had a chance to start.  My wife's grandmother and two uncles were extremely concerned about

why I had a guide to pick pocketing - and my character soon became in question. Mind you the two

uncles are Philly Cops - so they were really annoyed when they confronted me and I started laughing.

ahhhh yes.....fun times

George

[Lisa Levsen]

Hi Tony,

I feel your pain and frustration keenly. Jon's contribution to the multi value industry was huge. He was my friend for over 40 years. He taught me and then I taught his curriculum and sold his books to others. I have been bereft over his passing. I wish I'd known he was ill, I would have spent more time with him. 

Thank you for sharing.

Kind Regards,

Lisa

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[Lisa Levsen]

Geez, if Jon's books are selling for that much, I'd be willing to sell my 3 boxes of them. He did have free PDF copies on his website, but I worry that with his demise the site may come down. Or not. Sometimes the internet lives forever.

Lisa Levsen

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[Jay LaBonte]

Not to worry. All of Jon PDF copies from his site are now available in the Document library at https://www.multivalue.world/documents

 

Regards,

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[Lisa Levsen]

Dear Jay,

Very considerate of you. Greatly appreciated.

Lisa Levsen

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[Chris Long]

Lisa,

I emailed and spoke to him several times over the last couple of years.  I wanted to get hard copies of his books, and to get a chance to talk to a legend.  I learned Databasic from his online Pick manual.  Since I work less than 30 minutes away, he offered copies of his books (and others) to me for free.  All I had to do was stop by his place and pick them up.

Every time I would reach out he would get right back to me, but inevitably it was too hot or too cold in the storage area where he kept all of his books.  The last time we connected, he said he had dug out a few books, but he canceled because he was not feeling well.  Soon after he emailed links and PDFs of his books instead.

I really wish I could have met him, but it was not to be.

Chris Long

RA Services IT

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[Lisa Levsen]

Hi Chris, 

I am in the middle of moving, but once settled would be happy to ship any of the books I have extra hard copies of to you.