ezgen

[Joseph Sirucka]

Hi All

Has anyone used a multivalue database called ezgen.

I am looking at some options of where to port the existing code and data
too. e.g. u2 etc.

I am looking towards the future, where I can run the application on rhel
6, do web based frontend, and leave the wyse 60 terminal behind. Use
mobile devices etc.

I don't wish to screen scrape telnet sessions to a web based front end.

I have yet to play with U2 as I can get a one user license. I also saw
exodusdb a open source multi-value/pick database. What is the best
database to look long term pick base.

I gather others are already along this path.

Joseph

[Ed Clark]

I'm biased (I work for Intersystems) but if you want to migrate an mv system, go to Cache. You will be able to do a web front end, or whatever you want, no screen-scraping required.

However, migration may not be required. From what I can gather from Google, ezgen is (was?) a 4gl. Do you have support for it--do you have a contact at ezgen--is ezgen still in business? If it's a 4gl, what database is it running on top of now? Googling suggests that it runs on universe, so you may already have a universe system in front of you. There are lots of tools available for universe to add web interfaces.

So first, tell us what you know about what you have.

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[CDMI - Steve T]

Joseph - take a look at openQM

very flexible - only $150 per user license

each license includes AccuTerm and 10 yr support and upgrades

runs on just about any platform

my favorite is QM/Linux and QM/USB stick
 

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[Martin Phillips]

Hi Joseph,

 

Just to correct a statement made by Steve…

 

The licence fee is exchange rate dependant and is currently $135 per user for a permanent licence including AccuTerm and upgrades to new releases for ten years. Support is charged on a simple hourly basis that reflects your actual usage. Because we do not charge for simple support queries, Steve has never had a support invoice and hence thought it was completely free.

 

 

Martin Phillips
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[Dawn Wolthuis]

I was not familiar with Exodus DB. It appears to be a dead project, right?  --dawn

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[Martin Phillips]

Hi again Joseph,

 

Continuing on from Steve’s recommendation of QM as a migration target, there are several ways to build web based application. These range from use of chargeable third party web development tools such as Pavuk and DesignBais through to totally free CGI based implementations. Please contact us via sa...@openqm.com for more details.

 

 

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I was not familiar with Exodus DB. It appears to be a dead project, right?  --dawn

 

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Joseph Sirucka <yabo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All

Has anyone used a multivalue database called ezgen.

I am looking at some options of where to port the existing code and data too. e.g. u2 etc.

I am looking towards the future, where I can run the application on rhel 6, do web based frontend, and leave the wyse 60 terminal behind. Use mobile devices etc.

I don't wish to screen scrape telnet sessions to a web based front end.

I have yet to play with U2 as I can get a one user license. I also saw exodusdb a open source multi-value/pick database. What is the best database to look long term pick base.

I gather others are already along this path.

Joseph

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[Dawn Wolthuis]

I like all of the MV platforms, especially the one I am using (Cache') and ones I have used before (U2), but my honest opinion on this one, given that you are already using U2, would be to check out these options, in this order:

1. U2 because that is your current platform IIRC. You might want to use a web services approach with mvbasic on the back-end and html/js/css on the front-end. Maybe look at what Kevin King is doing with php, apache, and U2. You could keep your data as it is and start working with it with a web front-end.

2. Cache' and Reality. Check out Cache' and the Zen framework and other Cache' libraries to your liking. This might be a sledge hammer for your nail, depending on how sophisticated your application is, but you do not need to roll your own -- the toolset and a bunch of helpful libraries are there. Cache' and Reality both have good implementations of SQL (at least Cache does). I love that the MVQuery language translates to SQL in Cache' and is still faster -- so it is user-friends (mv query langauge), industry standard (translates to sql), and with high performance. 

3. QM and Revelation each have their charm and I can think of applications where I would jump at the chance to use either of these

jBASE and D3 are harder for me to give an opinion about as I have not used either one. I definitely appreciate the people I have talked to related to each of these tools and they both have a user community, so I would not count these out as viable options.

That's my 2 cents.  --dawn

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[Symeon Breen]

Since you are already on u2 (I believe) use the standard u2 approach of
writing a front end in asp.net, using the uniobjects.net library.

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Someone is still working on it as of February

http://code.google.com/p/exodusdb/downloads/detail?name=exodus-11.5.31-x86.exe

 

 

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[Wjhonson]

I think people are ignoring something the OP said that I find quite important :)

He said he "doesn't want to screen scrape"

To me this means that he is looking for basically a program that can mimic the program logic and screen presentation

But in a web page.

 

As opposed to one, where he has to rebuild each program one-by-one, which may take the rest of his life.

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[Dawn Wolthuis]

I gathered that if he didn't want to screen-scrape for the UI and he wanted a web & mobile front-end, then I figured that he would either be rewriting or converting to a new web-based development environment. Maybe Joseph can clarify. Thanks. --dawn

[Tony Gravagno]

I always think it's funny when someone new posts something vague and there is a frenzy of recommendations for the OP to get a new database along with guesses about what might have been meant by some casual reference like "no screen scraping". Yeah, let's get some more information about exactly what he has and what he wants, and then I think people here will be able to follow-up with more useful suggestions.

 

It will be super funny if the OP responds with a common "requirement" that's often not stated in a first posting … "oh yeah, this all needs to be free".

 

T

 

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Maybe Joseph can clarify.

 

[Dawn Wolthuis]

Yes, one can request a ton of information and do a full requirements analysis or, instead, it is fair to take the information offered and make suggestions on what you know. I opted for the latter, recognizing that is one inexpensive technique for making progress on the former.  --dawn

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[Ed Clark]

That's why we have a forum--to appreciate the diversity :)

[Joseph Sirucka]

Hi All

Thanks for the responses. Bit of a time difference here in Australia.

The product is a point of sale product, using ezgen as the backend.

Phillip and Steve at the moment, I am not at the point of working the
$$$$, but looking at my options where to go.

Most of my clients are screaming for mobility, e.g. out on the shop
floor etc. We have already developed signature capture and eftpos
transactions.

I cannot see clients using wyse 60 on ipads etc (Have tried and its not
user friendly), and hence why I asked what is out there. A issue I have
is on rhel 6 systems (rhel 5.3 works ok), I have screen redraw issues,
that are so random, I cannot recreate. Some redraw issues are the hard
coded data e.g. address comes out as dress and the same with variable
data from the multivalue database. The database is also multi-dimensional.

As for being Universe, I cannot see how. The product is one exectuable.
We get our licenses from the supposed writes in the United States.

Joseph

[Symeon Breen]

Hi,

Have you got a url for ezgen or the people you licence it off ? I am
having trouble finding out information about it.


Thanks
Symeon.

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[Joseph Sirucka]

Symeon

There is no url about the product. All I know is they have two clients
themselves, my company in Australia. And the last is a company in
Chicago. I will as later tomorrow who they are in Chicago.

This is all I can find about them via google.

https://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=ezgen+psiaki&oq=ezgen+psiaki&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_l=hp.3...3284.4261.1.4618.6.6.0.0.0.0.419.2109.2-5j1j1.7.0.ckh.1.0.0.TacCunhbp1c&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=f3049aaaddab29c9&biw=1364&bih=600

Joseph

[Ed Clark]

ok, some questions:

Do you have any contact info for the people you buy your licenses from? A web page maybe? That could tell us a lot about what you have.

How do you know that you have a "multivalue" database? The term "multivalue" refers to a number of database products from different vendors that share common history and features: universe, unidata, jbase, d3, mvbase, mventerprise, mentor, univision revelation, reality, qm, cache, r83, r91, power95, ultimate, just to name a few. Have you ever used one of the multivalue databases, or is "multivalue" just a term that the vendor uses?

Does your application/database allow you to use a non-sql query language or write programs in basic? When you developed signature capture, how was that developed and how does it communicate to the database?

How do you back up your data?

Answering these questions would help determine what you have and what it's capabilities are.

[Dick Thiot]

Quick question: Do you need to expose all functions of your application via mobile users? Typically it is much simpler to identify certain functions and then create mobile versions of that process.  This is also much easier if you separate your business logic and your presentation logic.  These are not new concepts but our older multivalue applications usually have these two layers of logic mixed together.

I agree with Tony that Xamarin is looking like a great way to create some mobile based native apps.  However, we are using HTML5 and CSS3 as some of our customers are running tablets with Windows 7 on them.  We haven't looked at just creating desktop apps for these users yet.

Dick

[Tony Gravagno]

Dick, Xamarin now supports WP7 as well as iOS and Android - I didn't know either. It seems like this is still very new and beta.

http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/02/14/xamarin-mobile-preview/

 

Presentation this Thursday, 14-jun-2012:

http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/06/07/register-for-the-june-xamarin-seminars/

[Cleber Vieira Baptista]

Hi Joseph,

Sorry, I do not write well in English.
I use D3
I used R83
I used Univision.
I used AP-Pro
Some applications "pick basic" changed to "QM Basic."
99% of my source code in 'pick basic' worked well in 'qm basic'.

I think the codes you have in U2, work well with Qm or any other MV.

Friendlier interface or web, see:
AccuTerm
wIntegrate
Pavuk
DesignBais

good luck

Cleber

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2012/6/12 Cleber Vieira Baptista <multis...@gmail.com>

Hi Joseph,

Sorry, I do not write well in English.
I use D3
I used R83
I used Univision.
I used AP-Pro
Some applications "pick basic" changed to "QM Basic."
99% of my source code in 'pick basic' worked well in 'qm basic'.

I think the codes you have in U2, work well with Qm or any other MV.

ops ... Now I understand, you want to migrate from 'ezgen' to another MV as U2 or other MV.

This is MV with PickBasic?

If it is, will be easy to migrate to QM or other MV.

Cleber

[Dick Thiot]

Tony,

Right but that is Windows Phone 7.  This is Windows 7 on a tablet that is the current Windows rendition of the convertible.  Full blown Windows Desktop enhanced with the touch support for Windows 7..

Dick

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[Tony Gravagno]

I wasn't thinking this far ahead before, but I believe W8 and WP are "converging" with Metro toward "write once, deploy on all Windows platforms". If that's true then you might want to look closer into options for WP and tablet. I really don't know. As discussed in another thread, development cycles are short and it's anyone's guess what we're going to be deploying to next year. This is probably a discussion for another thread but it would be interesting to know what others see in the crystal ball.

 

T

 

From: Dick Thiot

 

Tony,

 

Right but that is Windows Phone 7.  This is Windows 7 on a tablet that is the current Windows rendition of the convertible.  Full blown Windows Desktop enhanced with the touch support for Windows 7..

 

Dick

Tony wrote:

Dick, Xamarin now supports WP7 as well as iOS and Android - I didn't know either. It seems like this is still very new and beta.

http://blog..xamarin.com/2012/02/14/xamarin-mobile-preview/

[Ross Ferris]

Joseph,

Call me on 0409 538 050 if you would like to TALK about options  - we are based Newcastle, but may be able to give you some pointers to save time/effort