Wiki and files
4 views
Skip to first unread message
Tohm Judson
Jan 4, 2009, 12:27:27 PM1/4/09
to mus...@googlegroups.com
Hi all,
I hope you have had a wonderful holiday
I hope you have had a wonderful holiday
Question:
I have the outlines, some files, and some random other things for
Chapter 1 ready as work in progress. Where are we putting these
items? Are we going forward with a wiki or just using the group
page? Or, is it best to host the files on my own site and refer you
to it?
I hope to have Chapter 1 (rough draft) finished this week. I'll keep
you posted.
Cheers,
Tohm
Aaron D
Jan 8, 2009, 8:14:50 PM1/8/09
to Musopen
I would suggest we discuss the TOC since its probably easier to have a
lot of messages back and forth. But if there aren't large changes
people can just collaborate with what is online already in the TOC
page of the wiki
http://sites.google.com/a/musopen.com/book/Home/table-of-contents
Regarding the first chapter, I think we should probably try to get an
agreement on the table of contents first before jumping in? Not that
we couldnt use the material, but it might save having to re-organize
later?
Aaron
lot of messages back and forth. But if there aren't large changes
people can just collaborate with what is online already in the TOC
page of the wiki
http://sites.google.com/a/musopen.com/book/Home/table-of-contents
Regarding the first chapter, I think we should probably try to get an
agreement on the table of contents first before jumping in? Not that
we couldnt use the material, but it might save having to re-organize
later?
Aaron
yahui cheng
Jan 8, 2009, 9:52:00 PM1/8/09
to mus...@googlegroups.com
"Regarding the first chapter, I think we should probably try to get an
agreement on the table of contents first before jumping in? Not that
we couldnt use the material, but it might save having to re-organize
later?"
agreement on the table of contents first before jumping in? Not that
we couldnt use the material, but it might save having to re-organize
later?"
I totally AGREE with you.
Ya-Hui Cheng
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:14:50 -0800
> Subject: Re: Wiki and files
> From: MAGI...@gmail.com
> To: mus...@googlegroups.com
Ya-Hui Cheng
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:14:50 -0800
> Subject: Re: Wiki and files
> From: MAGI...@gmail.com
> To: mus...@googlegroups.com
Itae Amit
Jan 8, 2009, 10:06:26 PM1/8/09
to mus...@googlegroups.com
Will the book include non-Western scales / theories ?
Itae Amit
Itae Amit
Omer Nashaad
Jan 9, 2009, 2:34:22 AM1/9/09
to mus...@googlegroups.com
Good Question. I would say it should.
Nashaad
Nashaad
Aaron Dunn
Jan 9, 2009, 3:18:47 AM1/9/09
to mus...@googlegroups.com
I would say that probably wouldn't fall within the scope of this book, it would make sense as either a supplementary resource, or part of separate material.The benefit of this project is that teachers can ultimately decide to include or not include information to their liking so it can always be written up and added or removed later.
This project is already fairly demanding, so I'd like to start with the original goal of creating a western tonal theory book like the following, and go from there:
Aaron
TriMosaic
Jan 9, 2009, 3:55:47 PM1/9/09
to Musopen
I agree. To extend musical examples and theory beyond western music
would create a confusing jumble for the beginning student.
On Jan 9, 3:18 am, "Aaron Dunn" <magic5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would say that probably wouldn't fall within the scope of this book, it
> would make sense as either a supplementary resource, or part of separate
> material.The benefit of this project is that teachers can ultimately decide
> to include or not include information to their liking so it can always be
> written up and added or removed later.
> This project is already fairly demanding, so I'd like to start with the
> original goal of creating a western tonal theory book like the following,
> and go from there:http://www.amazon.com/Tonal-Harmony-Stefan-Kostka/dp/0072852607/ref=s...
>
> Aaron
> >> itaea...@gmail.com
would create a confusing jumble for the beginning student.
On Jan 9, 3:18 am, "Aaron Dunn" <magic5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would say that probably wouldn't fall within the scope of this book, it
> would make sense as either a supplementary resource, or part of separate
> material.The benefit of this project is that teachers can ultimately decide
> to include or not include information to their liking so it can always be
> written up and added or removed later.
> This project is already fairly demanding, so I'd like to start with the
> original goal of creating a western tonal theory book like the following,
>
> Aaron
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Omer Nashaad <nash...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Good Question. I would say it should.
>
> > Nashaad
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Omer Nashaad <nash...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Good Question. I would say it should.
>
> > Nashaad
>
> > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Itae Amit <itaea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Will the book include non-Western scales / theories ?
>
> >> Itae Amit
>
>
> >> Will the book include non-Western scales / theories ?
>
> >> Itae Amit
>
> >> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:52 AM, yahui cheng <yhc6...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> "Regarding the first chapter, I think we should probably try to get an
> >>> agreement on the table of contents first before jumping in? Not that
> >>> we couldnt use the material, but it might save having to re-organize
> >>> later?"
>
> >>> I totally AGREE with you.
>
> >>> Ya-Hui Cheng
>
> >>> > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:14:50 -0800
> >>> > Subject: Re: Wiki and files
> >>> > From: MAGIC5...@gmail.com
>
> >>> "Regarding the first chapter, I think we should probably try to get an
> >>> agreement on the table of contents first before jumping in? Not that
> >>> we couldnt use the material, but it might save having to re-organize
> >>> later?"
>
> >>> I totally AGREE with you.
>
> >>> Ya-Hui Cheng
>
> >>> > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:14:50 -0800
> >>> > Subject: Re: Wiki and files
Tom Goldie
Jan 10, 2009, 7:11:43 AM1/10/09
to mus...@googlegroups.com
I would only add this:
As an educator, sometimes the only way to highlight a concept is to
contrast the concept with other similar ones so you can differentiate
the one you're trying to teach. I'm not saying you have to make a
chapter on it, but it might help to define WESTERN music, by contrasting
it to other systems. I would suggest they be mentioned so students
know there IS an alternative.
As an educator, sometimes the only way to highlight a concept is to
contrast the concept with other similar ones so you can differentiate
the one you're trying to teach. I'm not saying you have to make a
chapter on it, but it might help to define WESTERN music, by contrasting
it to other systems. I would suggest they be mentioned so students
know there IS an alternative.
Aaron D
Jan 20, 2009, 8:40:07 PM1/20/09
to Musopen
Just saw someone pointed this resource out on the blog
http://cnx.org/content/m13685/latest/
Its a simple overview of theory which we can re-use with attribution.
Aaron
http://cnx.org/content/m13685/latest/
Its a simple overview of theory which we can re-use with attribution.
Aaron
Shannon Gunn
Jan 20, 2009, 9:18:15 PM1/20/09
to mus...@googlegroups.com
Hi all,
I have stayed quiet on this list, but wanted to just put this idea out there. What about creating a living, breathing document that is constantly changing. Like a theory wiki. Just start writing and we'll all chip in. Not that anything anybody has done so far is not valuable, it would be a starting point. Also to include multimedia presentations, like www.musictheory.net.
Just an idea!
shannon gunn
music tech teacher
woodbridge senior high school
--- On Tue, 1/20/09, Aaron D <MAGI...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have stayed quiet on this list, but wanted to just put this idea out there. What about creating a living, breathing document that is constantly changing. Like a theory wiki. Just start writing and we'll all chip in. Not that anything anybody has done so far is not valuable, it would be a starting point. Also to include multimedia presentations, like www.musictheory.net.
Just an idea!
shannon gunn
music tech teacher
woodbridge senior high school
--- On Tue, 1/20/09, Aaron D <MAGI...@gmail.com> wrote:
Albert Frantz
Jan 21, 2009, 12:18:44 AM1/21/09
to Musopen
Shannon,
The same thought had occurred to me and I considered proposing it,
though I wonder if another possibility would be more suitable: What
about more or less standard online collaboration on documents? Box.net
is now directly compatible with Zoho Office for instance -- one user
could be assigned the owner of each chapter and can approve any
changes. That would eliminate the occasional frustration of having
someone change things that the original author really doesn't want
changed. Either method would be useful for doing typographical
corrections.
By the way, shouldn't we all agree beforehand on typographical and
spelling conventions? American or British spelling, etc.? I suggest C
major, C minor, D-flat major, D-flat minor, etc. for the names of keys
(I've seen some less-standard variants). Also hyphenating note names
with sharps or flats (but not naturals) is a convention (I think): C-
sharp, C-flat, C natural... though double accidentals are C double
sharp, etc. Does everyone agree? Shall we draft editorial guidelines?
Best,
Albert
The same thought had occurred to me and I considered proposing it,
though I wonder if another possibility would be more suitable: What
about more or less standard online collaboration on documents? Box.net
is now directly compatible with Zoho Office for instance -- one user
could be assigned the owner of each chapter and can approve any
changes. That would eliminate the occasional frustration of having
someone change things that the original author really doesn't want
changed. Either method would be useful for doing typographical
corrections.
By the way, shouldn't we all agree beforehand on typographical and
spelling conventions? American or British spelling, etc.? I suggest C
major, C minor, D-flat major, D-flat minor, etc. for the names of keys
(I've seen some less-standard variants). Also hyphenating note names
with sharps or flats (but not naturals) is a convention (I think): C-
sharp, C-flat, C natural... though double accidentals are C double
sharp, etc. Does everyone agree? Shall we draft editorial guidelines?
Best,
Albert
Albert Frantz
Jan 21, 2009, 12:24:30 AM1/21/09
to Musopen
> Just saw someone pointed this resource out on the blog
>
> http://cnx.org/content/m13685/latest/
>
> Its a simple overview of theory which we can re-use with attribution.
Thanks for pointing this out, Aaron. Do you (meaning everybody) think
>
> http://cnx.org/content/m13685/latest/
>
> Its a simple overview of theory which we can re-use with attribution.
that giving so much information at once might be overwhelming to
beginners? Would it be best to present elements more or less one at a
time, or is such an overview better?
Best,
Albert
Aaron D
Jan 21, 2009, 3:59:10 AM1/21/09
to Musopen
First, thanks for posting Shannon, everyone else who has been reading
along, I encourage anyone who has not posted to share their thoughts.
I dont know that it would necessarily make sense to collaboratively
write the whole book, but I do think it makes sense to either make
suggestions for each chapter, for the chapter authors, or to
collaborate for structural elements. I put the Table of contents in a
wiki anyone may edit.
Albert, if you would like to start a standards discussion feel free
to, it makes sense that we nail that down.
I think the next step should be finalizing the table of contents, then
assigning people to each chapter. Id like to see more people discuss
ideas for the TOC or modify the PDF files I included as examples
Aaron
along, I encourage anyone who has not posted to share their thoughts.
I dont know that it would necessarily make sense to collaboratively
write the whole book, but I do think it makes sense to either make
suggestions for each chapter, for the chapter authors, or to
collaborate for structural elements. I put the Table of contents in a
wiki anyone may edit.
Albert, if you would like to start a standards discussion feel free
to, it makes sense that we nail that down.
I think the next step should be finalizing the table of contents, then
assigning people to each chapter. Id like to see more people discuss
ideas for the TOC or modify the PDF files I included as examples
Aaron
Albert Frantz
Jan 21, 2009, 4:09:16 AM1/21/09
to Musopen
> What about creating a living, breathing document that is constantly changing. Like a theory wiki.
Hi Shannon,
This is a good idea for sure. I've given it some thought and prefer
the original idea of a book, personally. I fear that a constantly
expanding site could end up confusing students, who may benefit most
from a start-to-finish (downloadable) book format. That's my
suggestion at least.
Kind regards,
Albert
Matilde Teles
Jan 21, 2009, 5:39:02 AM1/21/09
to mus...@googlegroups.com
How can I unsubscribe from this group? I'm with my inbox being
constantly being full of e-mails from your group...
I know it's kinda weird but I'm in a google group, which usually only
allows gmail.com mail addresses with my personal/work address.
Sorry for the inconvenience
Matilde Teles
matild...@netcabo.pt
916505886
constantly being full of e-mails from your group...
I know it's kinda weird but I'm in a google group, which usually only
allows gmail.com mail addresses with my personal/work address.
Sorry for the inconvenience
matild...@netcabo.pt
916505886
Tohm
Jan 21, 2009, 11:07:00 AM1/21/09
to Musopen
Albert, I agree with you 100%. I am a big fan of keeping it a
printable book first, and then we can update it to a web based site
after we have everything in order.
I agree with Aaron that we need to focus on getting the TOC ready
(which I have worked on some more). The multimedia and interactive
features are relatively simple to create after you have a base plan.
Tohm
printable book first, and then we can update it to a web based site
after we have everything in order.
I agree with Aaron that we need to focus on getting the TOC ready
(which I have worked on some more). The multimedia and interactive
features are relatively simple to create after you have a base plan.
Tohm
Aaron D
Jan 21, 2009, 2:13:17 PM1/21/09
to Musopen
Hi Matilde,
To unsubscribe OR just combine all the emails you get into a daily/
weekly digest, please log in to the group, and click 'Edit my
membership' on the right
http://groups.google.com/group/musopen/subscribe
Youll see all the settings there to stop receiving email notifications
or to combine them.
Aaron
> matildete...@netcabo.pt
> 916505886
To unsubscribe OR just combine all the emails you get into a daily/
weekly digest, please log in to the group, and click 'Edit my
membership' on the right
http://groups.google.com/group/musopen/subscribe
Youll see all the settings there to stop receiving email notifications
or to combine them.
Aaron
> 916505886
Reply all
Reply to author
Forward
0 new messages