Janko Midi Controller Keyboard For Sale

[pa...@daskin.com]

I'm selling one of my older prototypes.  More info:
http://daskin.com/5_Row.html

Paul V. 

[Joseph Austin]

Paul,

Here it is June, and I still haven’t purchased a Janko keyboard.

Meanwhile, it looks like my Roland piano would need some extensive repairs.

I understood you were planning an announcement around this time,

so I’m thinking I may as well wait for that.

Should we expect news soon???

Joe Austin

DrTec...@gmail.com

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[pa...@daskin.com]

Joe-

 

I've been busy for the last few weeks getting that prototype fixed up to send to my buyer in Germany.  No other news to report at this time.  Hopefully soon.

 

Paul V.

[Michael DiBenigno]

Hi Joe,

I've been experimenting a piano adaptor that fits on top of the piano keys and is removable. While I'm on prototype three, I'm curious to get your thoughts and at what price point this would interest you. 

Michael

[Fernando Terra]

Michael, 

hope you can get this to work. I see great potential on this idea of easily transforming regular keyboards into jankos.

[gguitarwilly]

Hi Michael,

I own an adapter of the kind you describe. It was made by Paul Vandervoort. I can tell you it works fine. Since Janko pianos are not available, and having a regular piano transformed into Janko costs around 

€ 12.000 (by a german piano builder), it seems like the best alternative to a 'real' Janko piano, especially if you're not a lover of midi piano sound.

Paul's adapter is made extremely well, and still functions after many years of intensive use. here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO2PtRXcbik

I'm curious about your design, and I wonder at what price you think you could offer it.

Willem

Op dinsdag 28 juli 2015 19:59:53 UTC+2 schreef Michael DiBenigno:

[Michael DiBenigno]

Hi Willem,

Thank you for sending across the Paul Vandervoort adaptor and congratulations on going for the full Janko build! The Vandervoort adaptor appears to be quite the hefty solution, but extremely well designed and thought through. I was able to find more pictures at http://squeezehead.com/uniform-keyboard/ about mid-way through the page. Do you know of other adaptor attempts? 

One underlying question is, how important is the shrinking of the linear span of the octave? If there was a cheaper adaptor, that did not shrink the linear span, would it be more beneficial to a more expensive, bulkier adaptor? I been experimenting with wood and acrylic adaptors that sit on top of the piano, but do not harm the underlying keys. 

Michael 

A side note, I have also been working on video projections onto the keys, as opposed to the traditional black and white permanent markings. Allowing color coding, and adjustable patterns to match the music or alternative notation. While a projector would not be the final design, it allows for quicker design iteration. Would love to know if others have tried this as well, or have suggestions.

[Doug Keislar]

The World Wide Web Consortium has taken on MusicXML as a standard along with SMuFL (Standard Music Font Layout).  MusicXML was previously under Finale's control.

https://www.w3.org/community/music-notation/

https://www.w3.org/community/music-notation/wiki/News

[gguitarwilly]

Hi Michael,

shrinking the octave span is one of the advantages of the Janko layout. Doing without it would give you only half the benefit. I did a simple conversion of a melodica (look at my first post on this forum) using your solution, which works well because of the small keys of the melodica, resulting in a janko keyboard with nearly as small an octave size as my piano adapter.

So if you would go for that solution, using a keyboard with extra small keys would leave you with a good octave span. key action will always be less than optimal, because of the higher key resistance near the pivot axis of the keys.

My adapter uses parallellograms for the keys, and fish wire to 'transport' the action of the janko key to the location of the 'host keyboard's' actual keys.

The projections are a good experiment, although not practical for use in daylight I suppose; what would really be cool is a keyboard with leds under the keys that could change colour, designating 'road maps'.

However, I am a believer in studying and slow progression. There is no shortcut to real musicianship or mastery of an instrument. Ideally you shouldn't have to look at all.

cheers, Willem

Op woensdag 29 juli 2015 20:28:21 UTC+2 schreef Michael DiBenigno:

[Michael Johnston]

On 7/30/2015 3:10 PM, Doug Keislar wrote:
> The World Wide Web Consortium has taken on MusicXML as a standard along
> with SMuFL (Standard Music Font Layout).

There is never a bad time for good news. Thanks!

Now, I'll look a gift horse in the mouth. XML is too long and bloated
and Music XML is as bad as its parent. [/gifthorse OFF]

Cheers!
Michael
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[Doug Keislar]

Well, sure. Then MusicJSON might be of interest:

https://github.com/saebekassebil/musicjson

(Disclaimer: I have no experience using this.)

Doug

[Joseph Austin]

So, how does Music JSON and JSON in particular fit into the new move toward WebAssembly?

Regardless, MNP should be involved with this effort.
Someone needs to champion the cause of ET Isomorphism.
I’m investigating applying for membership myself.

Joe Austin

[jjj]

Apropos Janko adapter:  I'm (seriously) in the process of creating my first Alu+ hardwood 5-row Janko adapter. It will be a suction cup snap-on type, which can be mounted or removed in a mere minute. The main costs will be the work, for the materials cost only about $US150 or so. I found some cheap (yet great looking) buttons for it and sanded them down to epoxy-glue them. Here's are some Pics of the project:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/v3rqpnevhdnvxen/5-%20Layer%20Janko.JPG

https://www.mediafire.com/?p0hvxtvg8cac5fo

http://www.mediafire.com/view/rr4so818vy8ffon/Janko_Adapter.jpg

I only wished I could find a freelance programmer, willing to share my innovative Janko notation. For now I use several freeware software programs (incl. Klavarscript) to graphically transcribe MIDI files to my Janko notation. It only needs to visually depict the distance of the notes so, that this distance then can be visually transferred to the Janko Kbd.

Note: Traditional notation does not support visual transfer of notes.  - This remarkable Janko advantage is often left unmentioned!! Musicians know its timing etc. so. my Janko notation only helps to orientate on the Janko Kbd,and helps to learn new melodies.

[Doug Keislar]

Thanks for the pictures.  I have a few questions:

1. Do you have any pictures of your notation besides the one-octave illustration you already included?  For example, an actual piece of music?
2. Your diagrams of the keyboard show the pitch name on each key, but the photo of the black and white buttons doesn't show any labels on the buttons.  Does that mean there are horizontally undifferentiated rows of keys (all black or all white), and if so, how do you expect the player to be oriented and know which pitch is which?
3. I gather that all the key tops are in one plane, unlike most Janko keyboards, correct?  Is that something you think is an advantage, and if so, why?

-- Doug

[Joseph Austin]

Re notation:

Some Janko fans are having success with Clairnote (see clairnote.org).

I have been using my own "Chromatonnetz" shape note notation with a vertical Clarinote-style staff.

(http://musicnotation.org/system/chromatonnetz-by-joe-austin/)

My software is still pretty "raw", but I'm willing to share. 

I'm thinking about doing a Lilypond version sometime.

Joe Austin