Munki 7.1 Quit Apps Sheet noodling

[Gregory Neagle]

I’ve been thinking about and playing around with the layout for the “quit apps” sheet in development for Munki 7.1.

I’m a little concerned that the button titles are too terse, making it not completely clear what each button will actually _do_.
I’m also concerned that with all three action buttons in a horizontal layout, that there’s not enough room when they are localized into other languages with less-compact words and phrases.

Current layout:

[Nate Walck]

This looks really good with the stacked buttons. Could the window be less wide as well? (Or maybe as wide as the longest localization perhaps?).

Nate

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German, for example, might not fit well in the current layout (not sure that’s a good localization for “Update others”, but it does reinforce my concern)

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Alerts/dialogs in recent versions of macOS have in many cases adopted a more “portrait" style. Here’s a couple examples:

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So I’ve been experimenting with an alternate layout that allows for longer, more descriptive button titles:

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Downsides might be that the sheet takes up more space, and that it might look odd on older macOSes (I don’t remember when alerts/dialogs started being formatted in “portrait mode”).

Curious how others feel about this.

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[Gregory Neagle]

Not a lot of extra width we could remove in this mockup:

[Robert Sandkam]

+1 for the portrait layout.

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Not a lot of extra width we could remove in this mockup:

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> Downsides might be that the sheet takes up more space, and that it might look odd on older macOSes (I don’t remember when alerts/dialogs started being formatted in “portrait mode”).
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[Nate Walck]

Moving the manual quit required to a subtext under the item would save on the width. There is a lot of whitespace as is, which makes it look off vs the Apple ones to my eye. 

Nate

On Sun, Feb 15, 2026, at 6:48 PM, 'Gregory Neagle' via munki-discuss wrote:

Not a lot of extra width we could remove in this mockup:

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[Gregory Neagle]

But then wouldn’t you have a bunch of usually unused vertical whitespace (reserved for the “Manual quit required” label) — we need the space _somewhere_; either vertical or horizontal…

-Greg

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Moving the manual quit required to a subtext under the item would save on the width. There is a lot of whitespace as is, which makes it look off vs the Apple ones to my eye. 

Nate

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Not a lot of extra width we could remove in this mockup:

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[Nate Walck]

I meant make it smaller such that it fit under the app name, left aligned just below it. It would fit within the height of the icon I think (But then it might not be noticeable enough, perhaps?) 

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[Gregory Neagle]

Here’s the sheet set to the width of Apple’s “standard” NSAlerts in Tahoe:

[Nate Walck]

Like this: 

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[Nate Walck]

That looks better. Like you mentioned, localizations might become problematic with this. I wonder if SwiftUI could be a default minimum width, then dynamic width if the localization or app name demand it 

On Sun, Feb 15, 2026, at 7:09 PM, 'Gregory Neagle' via munki-discuss wrote:

Here’s the sheet set to the width of Apple’s “standard” NSAlerts in Tahoe:

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I agree the narrower look more closely matches standard macOS alerts, but there’s not a lot of room for app names when the “Manual quit required” label is displayed.

Interestingly, when I switch the language to German, the sheet displays wider, which I did not expect:

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(“Quit App and Update” and “Skip and Update Others” have not yet been translated into German for the localization files)

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[Gregory Neagle]

That might work:

Might be fun figuring out how to actually lay this out…

-Greg

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[Kevin M. Cox]

This vertical / portrait layout looks nice, good idea.

~ Kevin

On Feb 15, 2026, at 6:19 PM, 'Gregory Neagle' via munki-discuss <munki-...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

That might work:

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[Allister Banks]

I am on the side of using more space just because I find the checkbox and icons and indentation and explanatory text combines where the older style feels ‘busy’/easier to be overwhelmed by versus letting it spread out vertically. I find the previous style fine in instances like this alert I’ve attached a screenshot of from the 7.0 series, but there’s not a lot going on - sorry and to the point. The new window is explaining new behavior, ‘quit apps’ may be one of the most information-dense modals we’re presenting to end users over the course of expected interactions.
Allister

[Gregory Neagle]

We’re going to have to be at least a _little_ wider than the standard macOS alert in Tahoe:

to something along these lines:

On Feb 15, 2026, at 4:19 PM, 'Gregory Neagle' via munki-discuss <munki-...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

That might work:

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[Gregory Neagle]

Und auf Deutsch:

[Gregory Neagle]

And yuck when the Force Quit button gets displayed:

[Robert Sandkam]

Greg,

For your consideration:

Forget about the sheet.

Just make this information available in the Updates panel of the main Managed Software Center window.

This will give you plenty of horizontal space, and an infinite amount of vertical space.

Here is a mockup (which I am sure is full of mistakes with respect to text and buttons that actually need to be present):

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On Sun, Feb 15, 2026 at 9:02 PM 'Gregory Neagle' via munki-discuss <munki-...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

And yuck when the Force Quit button gets displayed:

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>> I am on the side of using more space just because I find the checkbox and icons and indentation and explanatory text combines where the older style feels ‘busy’/easier to be overwhelmed by versus letting it spread out vertically. I find the previous style fine in instances like this alert I’ve attached a screenshot of from the 7.0 series, but there’s not a lot going on - sorry and to the point. The new window is explaining new behavior, ‘quit apps’ may be one of the most information-dense modals we’re presenting to end users over the course of expected interactions.
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[Gregory Neagle]

Which brings us back to why this feature hasn’t been implemented yet: the UI work is non-trivial.

I don’t have the motivation to figure out how implement the UI within the Managed Software Center updates view. If that’s the direction the community thinks is the right one, then I’ll wait for someone else to make the effort.

On the other hand, the UI that Jordan contributed seems to work _fine_, and we’re just discussing some visual tweaks. It’s definitely not _required_ that it perfectly matches existing Apple UI. If we can get close without degrading functionality, that’s great. But we could also just go with the version that’s in last week’s beta.

-Greg

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Greg,

For your consideration:

Forget about the sheet.

Just make this information available in the Updates panel of the main Managed Software Center window.

This will give you plenty of horizontal space, and an infinite amount of vertical space.

Here is a mockup (which I am sure is full of mistakes with respect to text and buttons that actually need to be present):

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[Robert Sandkam]

the UI work is non-trivial

Yep. Understood.

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