Suggestions for fixing less turnout at Mumpy meets

[Vineet Naik]

Hi everyone, 

I was there at the Mumpy meet yesterday and felt that the turnout

was pretty disappointing as compared to previous meets I have

attended. I am starting this thread for listing and discussing

about the various possible reasons for such less turnout so that

we can try to fix it for upcoming meets.

On the facebook page of yesterday's meet, 48 people have

responded with "going" status, so for now lets assume that there

is interest.

Here are some of the possible reasons I can think of why not many

people wouldn't attend:

- Venue too far away or not at a convenient location

- Sunday afternoon laziness

- Not interested in the particular talks/topics covered

- Interested people aren't subscribed to Mumpy google group and

  hence are not informed

Please add any other reasons you may think of. When we have a

good enough list may be we can turn it into a poll and send it to

all those who showed interest via facebook or who were there at

previous events. Hopefully that data can help us figure out solutions 

to the problems.

Also, please share your thoughts and suggestions.

Regards,

Vineet

[Vineet Naik]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Vineet Naik <nai...@gmail.com> wrote: 

 When we have a

good enough list may be we can turn it into a poll 

I mean a survey or a feedback form

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Vineet Naik

[Parth Buch]

I agree to most of the points.

IITB has been the venue for last 2 meets but the audience turn out had dropped significantly. I would very much like to see a new venue for the next meet.

Also a lack of active community both online and offline is the reason for the low turnout. We need more evangelists.

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[Johnson Chetty]

On 10 December 2012 23:38, Vineet Naik <nai...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone, 

I was there at the Mumpy meet yesterday and felt that the turnout

was pretty disappointing as compared to previous meets I have

attended. I am starting this thread for listing and discussing

about the various possible reasons for such less turnout so that

we can try to fix it for upcoming meets.

On the facebook page of yesterday's meet, 48 people have

responded with "going" status, so for now lets assume that there

is interest.

Here are some of the possible reasons I can think of why not many

people wouldn't attend:

- Venue too far away or not at a convenient location

- Sunday afternoon laziness

- Not interested in the particular talks/topics covered

- Interested people aren't subscribed to Mumpy google group and

  hence are not informed

 

- December -> Wedding season!

- Sunday ->  Religious Functions 

 

Also, if the talks/topics could cover more in-depth material, then it targets mailing list people. 

When introductory topics are covered, we target the general public; for which some media push/ word-of-mouth needs to spread a bit in advance...

Please add any other reasons you may think of. When we have a

good enough list may be we can turn it into a poll and send it to

all those who showed interest via facebook or who were there at

previous events. Hopefully that data can help us figure out solutions 

to the problems.

Also, please share your thoughts and suggestions.

Regards,

Vineet

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Regards,
Johnson Chetty

[tapan pandita]

I agree. The reason I don't attend is that the talks are very beginner friendly, which is great for promoting python. But a lot of users of this group are more experienced and would like deeper stuff to be covered. I personally would love things like performance tuning, memory management and such things.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Johnson Chetty <johnso...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please add any other reasons you may think of. When we have a

good enough list may be we can turn it into a poll and send it to

all those who showed interest via facebook or who were there at

previous events. Hopefully that data can help us figure out solutions 

to the problems.

Also, please share your thoughts and suggestions.

Regards,

Vineet

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[Raxit Sheth]

Vineet

1. for me personally, whole night hacking!!! and no strength to keep
myself awake!

For general

1. iit venue
2. mix of topic

Let me jump into next planning of mumpy.

Raxit

[Krishnakant Mane]

I think, we must do some postings on other mailing list and also regularly have sessions on basics.
Python so to speak is still not very popular like Java or PHP so we must make a point that we take steps for correcting this.
We must also regularly make videos and make them available online.
Regarding venue, let's have some central location near Dadar or Sion.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

[Dhruv Baldawa]

I think sessions should be more interactive, to me talks have started to become boring. Personally, I (and I think most of the advanced users) would prefer something based on personal experience, and something which we can't find on the internet, something different anyone has done.

+1 to Raxit's suggestion.

I think we should have a basic session and an advanced session during the meetup, and would like them to be more interactive. And of course, venue plays a big role.

[Karan Ahuja]

+1 for all suggestions
agree with dhruv about dividing beginner and advanced .
if we do not divide we end up in no mans land . and all audience gets bored .


also - if we make the schedule fixed then traction can be more .
example - 3rd sunday of every month with fixed timing convenient to all . venue can be dynamic per organisers convenience .

if we can make the time very early in morning - its best as sundays are friends and  family time normally and its hard to get out alone for a geek event.
so wrapping it up before 12 noon is best - what do you guys think ?

we can also think for twice a month sessions ?

video recordings will be very effective too . we can upload on hasgeek.tv maybe .

lets make it more and more happening month after month .

cheers ,

karan

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[Vineet Naik]

Great points. Particularly Krishnakant's suggestion that we should do some 

posting on other groups about the meetups.

+1 for good mix of advanced and basic topics per meet. And most importantly 

we need people to come forward to talk on advanced topics on a regular basis 

so that meetups can be scheduled more frequently.

Religious/family functions on Sundays is a valid point too. May be we can consider 

Saturday evenings (works for me, may not work for others)? 

Personally, I think IITB is pretty good venue but there is no point if the turnout is 

low in which case it's facilities will be seriously under utilized.

I think we have done video recording in the past (last year's meetup at direct-i) but not

sure how well it works as the videos were never out! 

Don't know if hasgeek will allow videos other than the ones recorded/produced by them

on their site. 

I will create a google form out of the points discussed so far once I get home today 

evening and share it here on the list for everyone to edit.

Keep the suggestions coming in the meanwhile.. 

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Vineet Naik

[Dhruv Baldawa]

Yes, saturdays also work good, or maybe we could target some bank holidays.

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Dhruv Baldawa

(http://www.dhruvb.com)

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Karan Ahuja <karan2...@gmail.com> wrote:

+1 for all suggestions
agree with dhruv about dividing beginner and advanced .
if we do not divide we end up in no mans land . and all audience gets bored .


also - if we make the schedule fixed then traction can be more .
example - 3rd sunday of every month with fixed timing convenient to all . venue can be dynamic per organisers convenience .

+1

 

if we can make the time very early in morning - its best as sundays are friends and  family time normally and its hard to get out alone for a geek event.
so wrapping it up before 12 noon is best - what do you guys think ?

we can also think for twice a month sessions ?

If we are thinking in this direction, then possibly we can have dedicated basic and advanced meetups.

 

video recordings will be very effective too . we can upload on hasgeek.tv maybe .

Even if the video recording equipments are not available, it makes sense to just do a screen recording by the speaker while giving the talk.

[Johnson Chetty]

On 11 December 2012 11:06, Vineet Naik <nai...@gmail.com> wrote:

Great points. Particularly Krishnakant's suggestion that we should do some 

posting on other groups about the meetups.

+1 for good mix of advanced and basic topics per meet. And most importantly 

we need people to come forward to talk on advanced topics on a regular basis 

so that meetups can be scheduled more frequently.

+1 For advanced things.  

Religious/family functions on Sundays is a valid point too. May be we can consider 

Saturday evenings (works for me, may not work for others)? 

+1 for saturday... Work week is over. Roads are less congested in the evenings, and very importantly, we can go out for a snack/dinner with  fellow pythoners and have some fun! Sunday doesn't afford that privilege, cause some of us have jobs to go to on Mondays. :P

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Regards,
Johnson Chetty

[Parth Buch]

Nice suggestions.

As the interest level is moderately high it would be a good time to start

planning for the january meet. 

Keeping in mind the suggestions i propose a meet up on 5th or 12th January.

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Parth Buch

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[Jimit Modi]

+1 for 12th January and meetups on Saturday evenings

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Jim(y || it)

[Siddhant Pathak]

On Dec 11, 2012 11:40 AM, "Dhruv Baldawa" <dhruvb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Yes, saturdays also work good, or maybe we could target some bank holidays.
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> Dhruv Baldawa
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> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Karan Ahuja <karan2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> +1 for all suggestions
>> agree with dhruv about dividing beginner and advanced .
>> if we do not divide we end up in no mans land . and all audience gets bored .
>>
>>
>> also - if we make the schedule fixed then traction can be more .
>> example - 3rd sunday of every month with fixed timing convenient to all . venue can be dynamic per organisers convenience .
>>
> +1
>  
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>> if we can make the time very early in morning - its best as sundays are friends and  family time normally and its hard to get out alone for a geek event.
>> so wrapping it up before 12 noon is best - what do you guys think ?
>>
>> we can also think for twice a month sessions ?
>
>
> If we are thinking in this direction, then possibly we can have dedicated basic and advanced meetups.
>

I think Advanced on Saturday and basic on Sunday  will be good as attendees for advanced will be normally working people and for basics college students.

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>> video recordings will be very effective too . we can upload on hasgeek.tv maybe .
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> Even if the video recording equipments are not available, it makes sense to just do a screen recording by the speaker while giving the talk.
>

+1 good suggestion.  

[Kunj Karia]

+1 for 12th January.

Express your thoughts.

[Raxit Sheth]

Go for 5th!

12 th may be 2nd satu and will clash with other startup events + nr.
to Sankranti

Raxit

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Jimit Modi <jimy20...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Parag Mistry]

sorry i could not attend because some one in my family expired.

the discussion is on right tracks but i feel there is some kind of problem understanding the difference in expectation of people who are new to python or want to learn and with people who already know and are programming.

the people who know pyhton dont come coz they feel its too easy for them. but when you see the topics going most of the people are bored of it coz they dont understand what is going on.

thats why since a long time i have been asking for some really low level start up sessions for people enthusiastic so that we can later in some months time have people who can understand the language.

the people who want to learn will be more enthusiastic in attending then the people who know the language. 

no offence to people but just a thought.

Parag Mistry.

Vice President,
Bharat Traders.
B-20, Giriraj Industrial Estate,
Mahakali Caves Road,
Andheri (E), Mumbai 400093.
Maharashtra, INDIA
parag.bha...@gmail.com
www.bharat-traders.com

Visiting Lecturer,
Department of Applied Sciences and Humanities,
Sardar Patel Institute of Technology.
Bhavans College Campus,
Munshi Nagar, Andheri (W),
Mumbai 400053,
Maharashtra, INDIA
parag_...@spit.ac.in

[Chris Wakare]

Hi All,

Frankly its not easy to follow discussions on googlegroups as you end up missing the topics / events unless you follow the discussions everyday.

In the long term, something similar to http://meetup.bostonpython.com/  or better should work as one can have sections for beginners, events, discussions etc

Thanks,

Christopher

[Dhruv Baldawa]

I think we should setup a Facebook group for this purpose.. also would help in promoting the event..

[Parth Buch]

We do have a fb group. Though i am not sure who is the admin and why it is not extensively

used.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/mumpy

Admin please approve the pending requests.

@aditya ? @mehul ?

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Parth Buch

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[Krishnakant Mane]

Saturday evenings are great.
And yes we must have a fixed schedule and have it consistently, with very rare exceptions if need be.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

[Krishnakant Mane]

Snacks and dinner ha?
We can then have Python fry.
*LOL*
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

[Krishnakant Mane]

Mostly I will be available on 12th Jan too.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

[Vineet Naik]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvb...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think we should setup a Facebook group for this purpose.. also would help in promoting the event..

Facebook should help in promoting the event but I would prefer 

email for discussions. I check email everyday. Not the same with facebook. 

 

On Dec 11, 2012 7:33 PM, "Chris Wakare" <chris4...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

Frankly its not easy to follow discussions on googlegroups as you end up missing the topics / events unless you follow the discussions everyday.

In the long term, something similar to http://meetup.bostonpython.com/  or better should work as one can have sections for beginners, events, discussions etc

I have never had this problem. Have you subscribed to digest emails?

I have not used meetup.com but I think bangpypers use it for their monthly meets 

(besides the bangpypers mailing list).

I don't know how meetup.com works, but if it means that emails from 

mumpy group would simply be replaced by email notifications from meetup, I don't 

see how it will help. 

I think for the next few meets we can try having a mix of topics so that there

is something interesting for everyone. We can divide the talks/topics roughly 

into following groups

Group A (beginners)

eg, "Python 101/primer" 

     "Python for Javascript programmers"

     "Hands on .." like we had for Flask

Group B (intermediate)

eg, "An introduction to <some lib/framework> "  

      "Understanding <some python feature such as meta programming>"

      "How to use <some python tool such as Fabric/Sphinx>"

Group C (advanced)

eg. "Scaling django apps in cloud"

      "ML/AI using Python"

      "How we fixed/scaled/worked around some complex problem"

Group D (working demos)

All levels

Then when planning a meet, we can consider 1 topic per group and put any 

extra talk proposals into respective queues and pop them next time!

Also, many people are fine with Saturday evenings so we can also try that too.

Dinner after meetup is a great idea :-)

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Vineet Naik

[Krishnakant Mane]

Bank holidays are not that consistent and we can't say for sure on a certain dates every month.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

[Puneeth Chaganti]

Hi All,

<rant>
Sorry if I am jumping into the discussion, without adding any value to
it, here is my 2 paisa.

User group meetings have always been difficult to get organized. Not
that I have organized too many. But, I definitely have seen similar
conversations on all the lists, mumpy, bangpypers, python-pune and
similar points have been raised everywhere. Given that there's loads
of documentation for Python on the web, and it is "main stream", I
don't think we can expect too much participation in the user group
meetings, unless the speaker is known to be exceptional or the topic
being covered is very advanced.

I think just keeping a constant flow of talks, on a regular basis, and
keeping it going is all that's needed. Some talks will have a huge
audience, and others won't. But how it's supposed to be.
</rant>

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Puneeth

[Amit Upadhyay]

I second this suggestion of using meetup. Meetup.com has a lot of members and they promote local meetups in their weekly mails. It's a no brainier to create and event there once it is finalised. 

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Mobile: (+91) 9820-2955-12

[Amit Upadhyay]

It serves very little purpose people sending individual suggestions like that. I would suggest we use advanced technologies like google docs instead of menial work intensive process like this. 

A form can collect lot more information and would be easy for everyone to track what's the general interest level in various things. 

I suggest the following at the least:

- name, email?

- if attended last mumpy, if wanted to

- keywords of work

- keywords of interest

- date/day preference

- location preference, may be we should limit choices to some two or three potential options. 

- if have open source contribution

- number of years of pythons usage

- intent of attendance: general networking, looking for startup co founders/other hiring, learning something, spreading word about something cool one has done. 

Right now other than the fact you have some interest in python somehow we have no idea about members of this group. Time we changed that. 

I am out, will create the doc from home, but if someone has access to net right now they may do this first and post the link here. 

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Amit Upadhyay

Mobile: (+91) 9820-2955-12

[Vineet Naik]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Amit Upadhyay <upad...@gmail.com> wrote:

It serves very little purpose people sending individual suggestions like that. I would suggest we use advanced technologies like google docs instead of menial work intensive process like this. 

A form can collect lot more information and would be easy for everyone to track what's the general interest level in various things. 

I suggest the following at the least:

- name, email?

- if attended last mumpy, if wanted to

- keywords of work

- keywords of interest

- date/day preference

- location preference, may be we should limit choices to some two or three potential options. 

- if have open source contribution

- number of years of pythons usage

- intent of attendance: general networking, looking for startup co founders/other hiring, learning something, spreading word about something cool one has done. 

Right now other than the fact you have some interest in python somehow we have no idea about members of this group. Time we changed that. 

I am out, will create the doc from home, but if someone has access to net right now they may do this first and post the link here. 

I created a google form yesterday night but couldn't figure out how to allow 

other people to edit it. Here is the form so far:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?fromEmail=true&formkey=dFNaVUN2dUphS2E2Wi11RDJQWE5DQ2c6MQ

Please don't share this yet as it's still not complete.

If anyone knows how to allow people to edit, please let me know. 

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Vineet Naik

[Mukul]

Good suggestions from people. +1 from me for mix of beginner and advanced topics and for January 5th. Posting topics of interest is a good idea, though a topic should probably have more than one vote before a talk is presented on it.

[Dhruv Baldawa]

Great job, Vineet :-)

I feel there are too many suggestions pouring(which is good), and we are losing context to some extent, and there has been more talking and less action on this. Lets just have an "organized" survey of what we want/suggestions.

Vineet, I would suggest the following to be added to form:

 - Frequency of meetups

 - Pattern of meetups (dedicated basic/advanced, or basic+advanced, etc.)

 - Other thoughts/suggestions field

Does anyone have suggestions to Vineet's form, anything you found missing ?

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Dhruv Baldawa

(http://www.dhruvb.com)

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Mukul <mu...@tunebasket.com> wrote:

Good suggestions from people. +1 from me for mix of beginner and advanced topics and for January 5th. Posting topics of interest is a good idea, though a topic should probably have more than one vote before a talk is presented on it.

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[Karan Ahuja]

@vineet - to edit the form , click on share and change permissions
anyone with link can edit / as per your choice

about what to add in form - amit u wrote above as below :

- name, email?

- if attended last mumpy, if wanted to

- keywords of work

- keywords of interest

- date/day preference

- location preference, may be we should limit choices to some two or three potential options. 

- if have open source contribution

- number of years of pythons usage

- intent of attendance: general networking, looking for startup co founders/other hiring, learning something, spreading word about something cool one has done.

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i think
keywords of work , interest are important to decide future talk topics  .
intent is also important to try and give full breadth of community what they want .

also - after the event , let us all blog a bit to gain more visitors .
lets also divide work as time is always in short supply

someone manage fb , someone take meetup .
Let the super users manage talk nominations or lets vote for the nominations .
if each member has only one or two tasks - it will become a breeze .

let us add a sheet in the doc for all the minimal work that needs to be done and volunteer .

sounds little too much management at the start - but once we start rolling - it will be much more fun .

cheers
karan

[Vineet Naik]

I have given edit permissions for the form to following people (thanks karan)

"Aditya Sengupta"

"Mehul Ved"

Dhruv Badalwa

"Karan Ahuja"

"Parth Buch" 

Amit Upadhyay

If anyone else needs to edit it, please let me know

Also, there are 3 responses already!

Please note that this is an incomplete form so don't respond yet.

Vineet Naik

[Milind Khadilkar]

Hi,
I was one who was undecided till Sunday Noon, was probably the 48th person to click on 'going' but eventually could not make it.

I am a recent member of Mumpy. I am not part of such focused meets and so probably am asking the wrong questions, but here goes: how is the economics of it managed? Is there a subscription, or is there a sponsor, or is the event contributory? Is there any specified activity between meets? Are there other activities of Mumpy? Specifically, is there any activity related to taking Python to the masses, to schools and colleges? Or to reach out to occasional Python scripters and introduce to them the mainstream Python community?
I repeat: my questions might be not the right ones to ask at this forum... I don't know. But it is the current discussion on low turnout that has prompted me to ask those.

Thanks, everybody, for this effort. I will do my best to participate.
Best wishes

मिलिन्द खाडिलकर
Milind Khadilkar

Chintan Systems Pvt. Ltd.
Andheri(E), Dombivli(E)

[Amit Sethi]

Just a suggestion , Giving some chocolate at the end. Naah How I
understand this is that a group becomes larger as it becomes regular.
Its like a cult. Each random joinee helps get more people.


Thanks
Amit

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[Vineet Naik]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Milind Khadilkar <milind.k...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I was one who was undecided till Sunday Noon, was probably the 48th person to click on 'going' but eventually could not make it.

I am a recent member of Mumpy. I am not part of such focused meets and so probably am asking the wrong questions, but here goes: how is the economics of it managed? Is there a subscription, or is there a sponsor, or is the event contributory? Is there any specified activity between meets? Are there other activities of Mumpy? Specifically, is there any activity related to taking Python to the masses, to schools and colleges? Or to reach out to occasional Python scripters and introduce to them the mainstream Python community?
I repeat: my questions might be not the right ones to ask at this forum... I don't know. But it is the current discussion on low turnout that has prompted me to ask those.

I am relatively a new member of the group and have not been involved in 

organizing meets, so frankly, I don't know much.

But the event is free for sure. There are no sponsors and no subscription fees. 

Members volunteer to make their office space or college seminar halls

available as venues and anyone can propose to take a session.

My answer to other questions is - I don't think so (@Long time members please 

correct me here) But you have raised some important points. 

BTW, I have updated the survey form with some more questions. The link

I had shared previously should work. If anyone needs edit rights, let me

know. Please don't respond yet. 

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Vineet Naik

[Amit Upadhyay]

http://amitu.com/mumpy.html

key features:

• google docs/angularjs powered
• rows can be "updated"
• anyone can edit anyone's data, please be civil and adult
• some graphs etc

it is still alpha, no real data please, just for feedback. 

Amit Upadhyay
amitu.com (+91-9820-295-512)

[Amit Upadhyay]

Also apologis for highjacking work by Vineet etc :-) 

[Vineet Naik]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Amit Upadhyay <upad...@gmail.com> wrote:

http://amitu.com/mumpy.html

key features:

• google docs/angularjs powered
• rows can be "updated"
• anyone can edit anyone's data, please be civil and adult
• some graphs etc

it is still alpha, no real data please, just for feedback. 

Looks great. Is the source on github/bitbucket?

One suggestion - I think we should keep the date/time preference for upcoming meetup 

separate from the survey so that the all the questions can be reused anytime in the future. 

The pune python group is using doodle.com[1] to track day/time preferences

for their events. May be we too can use it?

BTW, I have added all questions from my side, someone please review them or add

more questions. If we can freeze the survey in a couple of days and send it to 

interested people, we can expect some responses by next weekend. The Jan meet

planning can be started according to the feedback then.

I was also wondering if facebook api can be used for sending messages to all those

who responded to "going" or "may be" status. Any one wants to give this a try :-) ?

[1]: http://doodle.com/wngy3yur5f2m3yrr

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Vineet Naik

[Milind Khadilkar]

Just a digression: what is the minimum we need at a venue? Thanks.

मिलिन्द खाडिलकर
Milind Khadilkar

[Karan Ahuja]

amitu app is good and contains all questions . so the form is now done .

just click on 'add yourself' link and fill it up .


guys - please please  fill the form at http://amitu.com/mumpy.html
and click on add yourself link (above h1 - 'keywords work')


once we have data - we can automatically decide whats going to happen through the graphs - once the dummy data is deleted
cool !!!

Hoping vashi and sion  do not get selected as they are way too far off for me :)


awesome app for this.

Best regards

Karan Ahuja

[Karan Ahuja]

I meant

To fill the form :

go to http://amitu.com/mumpy.html

and please just click on 'add yourself' link and fill it up .

[Vineet Naik]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Karan Ahuja <karan2...@gmail.com> wrote:

I meant

To fill the form :

go to http://amitu.com/mumpy.html

and please just click on 'add yourself' link and fill it up .

It is still alpha version as Amit has himself said in his mail above

it is still alpha, no real data please, just for feedback. 

And I think we will should create a separate thread for kicking off the 

survey. 

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Vineet Naik

[Karan Ahuja]

oh ok

sorry - i did not read about real data not allowed .

i posted the link also in 1 other group

sorry

let me know what to do now to make it beta

[Dhruv Baldawa]

Amit, that is great work. But, we just need some data. Once, we have it we can do all sorts of operations on it. And, I would prefer Google Drive for that, we take that data, and then make sense out of it.

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[Amit Upadhyay]

It is using google spreadsheet/drive. Data is stored in a public spreadsheet. Entered using google form. I access it using their jsonp api using angularjs, another google library and plot it via google chart api. It can't be more google :p

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[tapan pandita]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K100_pC2aLk/UBFoEH_654I/AAAAAAAAC6I/gChmX0s21N8/s1600/notworthy.gif

[Amit Upadhyay]

Source is on my GitHub. Easiest way to jump to source files: amitu.com/lab/

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[Dhruv Baldawa]

Yeah, I noticed that after sending that message. I have few suggestions then:

1. Separate the social profiles/website/facebook as you have separated twitter and github.
2. Fields like "primary reason", "day preference" and "location preference" should have an integer associated with them, like 1 is the highest preference, and so on.
3. I think we can remove keyword learn, and keyword topic for "would like topics related to:", and we should give some common keywords like "django", "core", "web", "scientific", "data analysis" to name a few.
4. Also, I find "username" irrelevant.

My 2 cents, any other opinions are welcome.

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[Amit Upadhyay]

1. Ok

2. You want two columns for all these preference related questions instead of one? That's not very useful. I have already added dont care field in one place, I can add it in others. 

3. Help section already contains sample keyword. You want to change "learn" to "like topics related to"?

4. Username is most imp field of edit is to be implemented. 

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[Dhruv Baldawa]

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On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Amit Upadhyay <upad...@gmail.com> wrote:

1. Ok

2. You want two columns for all these preference related questions instead of one? That's not very useful. I have already added dont care field in one place, I can add it in others. 

Just gives more insight nothing else.

[Vineet Naik]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Awaiz Mukadam <awaiz....@gmail.com> wrote:

Dhruv,

I attended your session on Pyhton intro in Malad (Atharva) and I felt that was too short a span of time to even get started.

In a general opinion, learning python is more comfortable on the net via the ample resources available.

Couldn't agree more. IMO hands on sessions should be like these: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w26x-z-BdWQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bobeo5kFz1g

(Note that I am not comparing with Pycon and it's not about the topics 

but the length and thoroughness of the session and the nature of interaction)

 

In the Begineer session what we could really do is gauge a beginner user's development. We could maybe ask him questions like a viva or give him a code of varying complexity to check his understanding of the language. This call for Mentorship. (technicailties can always be unanimously discussed)

The Advanced session could be addressed to Programmers who know what they are doing, but everyone runs into a roadblock.

This way every member, new or experienced gets a chance to look forward to the meetup.

Hope to see you guys soon,

Regards,

Awaiz Mukadam.

PS. @Moderators I am a newbie. If there's anything in the post that needs moderation Pease do so :) (and a gentle reminder so that i keep in mind.)

Also, someone mentioned a facebook page and I think I'm getting the wrong facebook page => http://www[dot]facebook[dot]com/pages/Mumbai-Python-Users-Group/66159182533

Is this the right one ?? If not please guide me to the right page.

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[Mehul Ved]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:10 AM, tapan pandita <tapan....@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree. The reason I don't attend is that the talks are very beginner friendly, which is great for promoting python. But a lot of users of this group are more experienced and would like deeper stuff to be covered. I personally would love things like performance tuning, memory management and such things.

It has always been left open to the community to come up with speakers. This is disrespecting to those who volunteered to give their time to speak at the event. Why didn't you come up and speak before the event when the discussions were going on as to what topics people would like to talk on.

How about volunteering to speak on advanced topic at the next meet or getting someone whom you consider can give advanced talks? 

We would be more than happy to have sessions that cater to all kind of audience. But, people need to come ahead and take initiative and volunteer to contribute to the community.

[Mehul Ved]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Parth Buch <parth.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We do have a fb group. Though i am not sure who is the admin and why it is
> not extensively
> used.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/mumpy
>
> Admin please approve the pending requests.
> @aditya ? @mehul ?

Right now any member can confirm new requests. I'll explore if we
should just open it up for anyone to join. As long as a couple of
active moderators are around, that should work and keep any kind of
useless posts at bay.

[Mehul Ved]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Vineet Naik <nai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think for the next few meets we can try having a mix of topics so that
> there
> is something interesting for everyone. We can divide the talks/topics
> roughly
> into following groups
>
> Group A (beginners)
> eg, "Python 101/primer"
> "Python for Javascript programmers"
> "Hands on .." like we had for Flask
>
> Group B (intermediate)
> eg, "An introduction to <some lib/framework> "
> "Understanding <some python feature such as meta programming>"
> "How to use <some python tool such as Fabric/Sphinx>"
>
> Group C (advanced)
> eg. "Scaling django apps in cloud"
> "ML/AI using Python"
> "How we fixed/scaled/worked around some complex problem"
>
> Group D (working demos)
> All levels

That can only be done once we have enough people coming up to take
sessions. Right now we don't. It's a task enough to fill up enough
slots after 2-3 consecutive meets. We have same people taking talks
and if they're busy we have nobody to fill their slots most of the
time. That is what we need to fix before breaking things up in slots.

[Vineet Naik]

I agree with you that introducing any kind of rules at this stage

has a risk of catch-22 like situation. But I feel that using a

framework for scheduling talks can still be helpful in a way. If

people know what kind of talks we are in need of, I believe it

will make it easier for them to volunteer to speak, as it will be

more clear to them as to what the audience is expecting. Also,

let's say we have a meet planned and the group b slot is yet to

be filled, then others will be in a better position to suggest or

invite someone they know who is might be interested in filling in

the slot

On the other hand, if there are 2 talks from group b and and if

no one is interested in filling in for group c, we just go with

what we have. By "framework", of course I mean a non-strict

one :-) We won't let it come in the way of organizing a meet

if everything else is working out.

We should also make it clear that anyone working with python

irrespective of no. of years of experience would probably have

something to share. Even if they think it is obvious or trivial,

it would definitely be new for many others so they should just

come forward.

 

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