harhor jalene lyzbett

0 views

Skip to first unread message

Sandra Grady

unread,

Aug 2, 2024, 9:02:38 PM8/2/24

to muhelpmobba

But Ekaros wrote : ,, That [s] what you get for using grey market." Which sounds like -> its your fault for using the grey market. Like when you say to a child that fell : Well thats what you get for running to fast.

Because it has a point, although it's not obvious. If you use SG, which means that you win and activate gifts/keys from other people, then you should also be aware of the fact that they might not be obtained legally, and be prepared for eventual consequences. Winner didn't do anything wrong, he just had bad luck, happens to everyone of us. But Ekaros didn't mean to insult anybody. If I told my child the sentence you wrote above, I also wouldn't have bad intentions to insult him or make him sad, I'd mean it more like a joke and a lesson to him, how to not do the same mistake twice.

It's almost the same as those people who are joining 3 copies of GTA V given away by new user. I mean of course, there is a chance that those giveaways are legit and creator will deliver those games, but the chance is almost none, and in this case the chance for legality of those games was similar. He gave away the same game in mass quantities, he's been selling the same game in mass quantities to other people, in exchange for other games. This smells so fishy that I'd say it's almost your own fault for falling into the trap, even if we both know that you didn't do anything wrong.

He was most likely using the generic you. Not referencing directly the guy that entered the giveaway, but the people that use grey market keys to make giveaways. That is one of the risks of doing giveaways with games from grey markets.

Not sure who "didn't realize that people here are also giving away games that are coming from frauds, G2A and other unknown suspicious sites." That person is very silly, whoever they are, and I'm sorry they shook your faith in humanity. Meanwhile, completely unrelated to that, however, I thought markets generally made you buy the products you got from them. Well, I guess car markets sometimes take trade-ins, but you still usually have to pay them something.

Use common sense. If you buy thing off grey market, then sell it in legit shop, does it in any way changes the fact that it was obtained illegally? Moreover, that shop that is trading the thing further should be considered as grey market too, right? They didn't obtain the item legally either. And that's why SG in fact can be called as grey market, because you can't verify that every user making a giveaway here is legit.

I don't like to call it so, because in fact nobody is selling anything here, but there WERE cases when people got into trouble JUST by activating an illegal key, and as you may guess - they weren't even aware of that fact. If my post helped at least one user to understand better potential risks of using the website such as this, then I'm happy that I wrote it.

Still, I'm sad that people are ripping off game developers. Scammer probably doesn't even understand that he probably killed another indie dev or company, which will most likely never sell things on steam anymore.

I apologize for being a little snippy at you. Anyhow, the main point was only that I don't really consider SG a "market". (So, yes, I did "believe in what I'd written," but not in the sense you described it.) But it also seemed like Ekanos was chiding the OP for using SG in the first place, which seemed unjustified, so I was also being a bit... "sarcastic" isn't EXACTLY the right word, but facetious (in a somewhat pedantic manner). If there actually have been cases where people have gotten in hot water specifically for using keys from SG though (and I trust you're correct), beyond simply not getting to keep the keys, then whatever nitpicks I might raise about the definition of "market," you do have a point, and it doesn't hurt to make people aware of that.

I guess I have been really lucky then with the few games I have bought from G2A. Since Its been well over a year since my last one and I still have em all. Then again I buy from them and not one of the other offer groups they put up at times. Though I have not bought anything from them in a long time now.

Not saying it has not or does not happen with them.. But that has not been my experience so its hard for me to be against them. ( Keep in mind I always payed the small bit extra for the "guarantee" thing. ( Since at the time I got the games they where still cheaper than elsewhere. Though I know they have been on sale for better prices since then.. Well. All except BO2. )

Someone did the credit fraud scheme again, sold the keys for cheap on the grey market in a couple days before steam noticed the credit card fraud steam took appropriate action and now the keys are useless but the original scheme master has already made off with the profits.

Since the GA was 3 weeks ago you may not be able to change it to not received. Put in a ticket and let the GA creator know. He might have bought it off of G2A or somewhere similar and may not be aware that the original buyer pulled this.

Thankfully there's no real loss to a revoked win. In fact, if you're reliable in playing wins as you get them, you may have even already completed the game, thus getting the gameplay and trading cards at no CV-ratio-change.

Not that I don't know staff whose previous trigger-happy behavior suggests that they'd likely gladly use the option, but I imagine only cg has the power to utilize it, which may be one of the reasons we don't see it used often.

The main reason you don't see it often is because most users that get it are people who never post in the forum. Keep in mind that there are almost 900 000 registered users (as for active users, my guess would be somewhere between 50 000 and 100 000), and the discussions section only consists of a few hundreds regular posters (maybe a thousand at best). But permanent suspensions aren't exactly rare, it happens several times a day.

If the first doesn't actually exist, then there's really no hope for a final resolution on some of the more exasperating users, and that just emphasizes the "people get endless strikes if they're repeat abusers, but new users are treated far too harshly" element that many of us have noted.

But as has been noted before, true or not, there's the common belief that you can continue to break rules and get away with it, while new users get no leeway whatsoever.
Certainly, that's been my experience.

Of course, in the case of the perma-suspended users we've seen returning, it seems that each time they do resolve any outstanding regifting issues (though apparently it doesn't take them too long to get suspended for it yet again -.-;), but they continue to violate the more social expectations of SG,

Ah, yes, a real ban can only be done by cg. It's almost never used, because there isn't really any reason to use that rather than a permanent suspension, as far as I know it has only been used when an user has been spamming tickets after getting a permanent suspension (since you can't contact support once banned). And although you have a possibility to appeal a permanent suspension, most users never come back from it.
I can't do much about that common belief. I know for a fact that it's not how really it is, so to be honest I don't really care about how people think it is.

Well I hold your word in high regard, so that's something toward affecting belief.
Unfortunately, my own personal experience with the treatment of myself as a new user was a shameful display by staff [even if later interactions have been primarily positive], and there's no denying that certain users do keep coming back from permanent suspension- I've personally witnessed one individual come back from it three times, and that's just the times I noticed.

As for the rest, that, I believe, was primarily a facet of staff not communicating well [and thus giving misleading impressions], something which I personally feel has improved since the time threads on the topic came up several times. In fact, the impression is likely better due to the responses to such threads, and the staff's continued emphasis that a 3-strikes rule is in place for rule-breaking.

He will be punished literally for winning a game obtained during a fraud, most likely without even understanding what happened, because it's easier for people to jump on the witch hunt train and say "that guy is a rule breaker, look here, SGT says he didn't activate his win" without even stopping for 5 seconds asking yourself if he's really guilty, and if it wouldn't be better to just let him know about that fact.

You're not the person who decides whether particular case should result in permanent suspension or not, so don't try to act like you know better, because you do not. Every case is different, as well as every human who interacts with this site. Together with KnSYS we analyze some of the rule breakers that SGT catches, and it only shows how much people can assume things wrong, when in reality so-called rule-breaker can be in fact a victim of very nicely done trap or fraud, which he doesn't even understand. A good example is what happened here, I bet you'll be the first guy reporting all people who didn't mark game that got revoked as not received, only because a blind tool like SGT said so, while the affected user doesn't even know what happened, neither he had bad intentions or broke the rules.
He will be punished literally for winning a game obtained during a fraud, most likely without even understanding what happened, because it's easier for people to jump on the witch hunt train and say "that guy is a rule breaker, look here, SGT says he didn't activate his win" without even stopping for 5 seconds asking yourself if he's really guilty, and if it wouldn't be better to just let him know about that fact.

I have asked you repeatedly to stop harassing me.