MELM Istanbul & Ankara photos sharing?

[Ozan Yarman]

Dear MELM group.

How should we collectively share hi-res photos of our Istanbul & Ankara experiences? I suggest Dropbox. What say you?

Cordially,

Dr. Oz.

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İstanbul ve Ankara etaplarında çektiğimiz fotoları paylaşmak için Dropbox uygun mudur herkes için? Uygunsa elimizde ne varsa oraya yığalım. Ne dersiniz?

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[Anthony Prechtl]

That would be cool, but I think Facebook is the most important one. As
I say, if someone has a party, but no one posts pictures of it on
Facebook, did the party actually happen?

But if it's high resolution photos we want, I'm happy to send them.

Thanks,
Anthony

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[Ozan Yarman]

Can you send me a Dropbox invite to hi-res photos from your trip Anthony. Thanks!

Oz.

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[Danny Wier]

You've seen these already, Oz, and most of the rest of you I'd imagine, but I got my photos on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150373597126169.350186.526301168

~D.

[Ozan Yarman]

I may not have the last 7 in that album. Can you invite me to a dropbox containing them again Danny?

Oz.

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[Anthony Prechtl]

Here are my good ones:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3405633/MELM2011.zip

I'll keep this link up for a week or so. Ozan, would you be able to
collect everyone's photos and then maybe we could upload the best ones
somewhere?

Anthony

[Ozan Yarman]

Danny, FB does not necessarily keep hi-res photos. You sent me a dropbox invite before, can you do the same for the last 7 pictures in that album?

Oz.

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On Jan 12, 2012, at 1:42 AM, Danny Wier wrote:

[Ozan Yarman]

I got 'em. Dropbox seems a good place to share the pictures once I collect them all. Currently, I have good pictures from Anthony, Robert, Danny, myself - including all the videos from Işık and Başkent shooting crew (15 discs) to make a cool DVD production from. In the meanwhile, I am working on my private amateur DVD featuring my own videos of MELM. This was indeed quite a big event.

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[Robert Walker]

Yes facebook seems to be where it is at for most of my relatives and friends and it's the liveliest place i know online for microtonal music. Their photo tagging system is really well implemented and useful.

It's a shame the facebook default image format is quite so low res, and some time it would be nice to see some of the images higher res. I've downloaded the zip you posted Anthony, and will upload and share my own photos the same way - also like to see the other high res ones some time including  yours Ozan, though no hurry at all.

I've already uploaded some to dropbox for Ozan, got a few more good photos to upload - uploaded some more on facebook and I'll probably find a few more if I go through them. I took gigabytes of photos but many didn't turn out that well or were near duplicates so need to chose the best one.

When it comes to the presentations, I've now sorted out the issues I had with my new higher quality Kontakt instruments (wrong amounts of pitch bend or stuck in twelve equal), especially for the Ankara presentation where I had to ditch most of the higher quality sounds.

So, Ozan, I wonder if you have thought of substituting higher quality sounds (and possibly also full screen visuals where appropriate) for parts of the presentation - also  lets you hear the original sounds directly rather than played through speakers and then picked up on microphone so gone through conversions of digital to audio, capabilities of the physical speakers, reverb, response curve of microphone, conversion back from audio to digital. (Though perhaps that process can be a benefit to the audio too sometimes e.g. by adding natural reverb to it).

The idea I have in mind is, in the middle of the presentation, you could cut to a full screen video of what was shown during the presentation. I suppose it depends a bit on who the DVDs are for and how they will be used, and is it meant as a record of what happened, or as a re-telling of the presentations?

If it is useful then I can do higher quality videos with audio for any relevant parts of my presentation to substitute in where needed.

I also plan to do a new video for youtube, using all the material I prepared for the MELM trip but was unable to show either because I got out in the timing or because of technical glitches, plus add a bit more for clarity that I've thought of as a result of the presentation. I might well do a full 40 minutes video for just the fractals indeed, for youtube, and another similar one for the other material I prepared, without making it over long, as I did have a lot of material I prepared for the presentation and never used.

Anyway free to use any of my new material as well, when I do it, or the new tunes I've been doing etc. for the DVDs if it is relevant.

Also - another thing - will you be doing translations Ozan? English subtitles during the turkish speech would be fine, or did you record the simultaneous translations? (I suppose also you'll need turkish translations of the english as well) just wondered what you are doing there but expect you've thought of it already.

Thanks,

Robert

[Ozan Yarman]

Dear Robert, in between the lines:

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On Jan 13, 2012, at 2:57 AM, Robert Walker wrote:

Yes facebook seems to be where it is at for most of my relatives and friends and it's the liveliest place i know online for microtonal music. Their photo tagging system is really well implemented and useful.

Yes, FB is useful, but it could stand some improvement with features such as : "Download Album in Original Format" or such. Syncing photos with a computer in the background (even interrupted sessions) is a no-brainer today, and Servers such as those of Facebook have no excuses to forego space for its users/customers when it comes to sharing media. I don't believe its practical enough yet.

It's a shame the facebook default image format is quite so low res, and some time it would be nice to see some of the images higher res. I've downloaded the zip you posted Anthony, and will upload and share my own photos the same way - also like to see the other high res ones some time including  yours Ozan, though no hurry at all.

I shall upload them to my Dropbox account, inviting all list members. You may have to wait till  120 photos are all uploaded.

I've already uploaded some to dropbox for Ozan, got a few more good photos to upload - uploaded some more on facebook and I'll probably find a few more if I go through them. I took gigabytes of photos but many didn't turn out that well or were near duplicates so need to chose the best one.

When it comes to the presentations, I've now sorted out the issues I had with my new higher quality Kontakt instruments (wrong amounts of pitch bend or stuck in twelve equal),

I told you. ;)

especially for the Ankara presentation where I had to ditch most of the higher quality sounds.

You should have prepared better as I had had reminded you. We'll have to fix such glitches in the DVD production.

So, Ozan, I wonder if you have thought of substituting higher quality sounds (and possibly also full screen visuals where appropriate) for parts of the presentation - also  lets you hear the original sounds directly rather than played through speakers and then picked up on microphone so gone through conversions of digital to audio, capabilities of the physical speakers, reverb, response curve of microphone, conversion back from audio to digital. (Though perhaps that process can be a benefit to the audio too sometimes e.g. by adding natural reverb to it).

We'll have to work with audios in the DVD. We have much to work on it in fact.

The idea I have in mind is, in the middle of the presentation, you could cut to a full screen video of what was shown during the presentation. I suppose it depends a bit on who the DVDs are for and how they will be used, and is it meant as a record of what happened, or as a re-telling of the presentations?

This is one of the exact things I have in mind. Lot's of audio/video editing involved however. I'm getting the hang of it though, having just today produced an amateur DVD of the event using my own videos. It's still very crappy, but with sufficient help, the Pro-DVD of MELM too shall come into being.

Give me your addresses here please, so that I can send a copy to you once the amateur DVD is done.

If it is useful then I can do higher quality videos with audio for any relevant parts of my presentation to substitute in where needed.

Participants' assistance using quality media and materials will definitely be required during intensive editing/muxing.

I also plan to do a new video for youtube, using all the material I prepared for the MELM trip but was unable to show either because I got out in the timing or because of technical glitches, plus add a bit more for clarity that I've thought of as a result of the presentation. I might well do a full 40 minutes video for just the fractals indeed, for youtube, and another similar one for the other material I prepared, without making it over long, as I did have a lot of material I prepared for the presentation and never used.

The idea of doing the presentations all over again is not attractive. At least 50 percent of the original material during your visit should be used. Cut-in scenes of full screen app interfaces with true audio could be inserted. However, let us not go deep over our heads here. As a novel scientific format, this DVD production would be one of the first of its kind in the sphere of music/audio/acoustics/microtonality. Naturally, not everything will be pristine at first.

Anyway free to use any of my new material as well, when I do it, or the new tunes I've been doing etc. for the DVDs if it is relevant.

We'll be in touch.

Also - another thing - will you be doing translations Ozan?

Yes I shall. The whole event will be subtitled in English and Turkish where need be.

English subtitles during the turkish speech would be fine, or did you record the simultaneous translations?

I am not sure if the simulataneous translation services were recorded. I would not rely on them even if they were. I shall translate the whole event word for word, with pertinent balloons popping up on the screen explaining relevant terms and concepts. This could be managed with DVD angles. I could also utilize my skills in French to add yet another language subtitle to the whole thing.

(I suppose also you'll need turkish translations of the english as well) just wondered what you are doing there but expect you've thought of it already.

I am formulating it all in my head.

Thanks,

Robert

Thanks to you too! :)

Oz.

[Robert Walker]

Dear Ozan,

Thanks you answer all my questions. I agree that the facebook images format is somewhat lacking. I expect it's probably because of the huge amount of disk space they would need to store high resolution images for all the facebook users there are and all the images they would upload, probably even more if high resolution images could be uploaded, when you think of the popularity of e.g. flickr. 

Actually it's remarkable that the existing service on facebook is free with no limit on the number of images to upload as far as I know

Thanks for the invite for your dropbox images and I've got it downloading in the background right now.

All the things you say about the DVDs make sense and text translations are fine, sounds a good solution, and agree, you can't expect the simultaneous translation to be as accurate as one done at leisure after the event without the need to translate simultaneously in real time.

Yes sorry, you are right, I didn't prepare enough, particularly the sound examples. I only got the new instruments a few days before leaving for Turkey, and the laptop too, only a week before I left, with hindsight that wasn't enough time in case of problems arising. Also I should have prepared better for the overall timing of the presentation.

Anyway sorry about that. I know better now for the future!

And yes, it's easy for me to prepare higher quality versions of the audio or audio + visuals for sections of the presentation.

That's fine, doesn't sound as if my youtube videos will be particularly of value for the DVD, that's okay  just thought I should mention them in case they were of  interest.

I look forward to the amateur DVD and when it's ready, you can post it to

Robert Walker

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Robert