Sun media carried the story on Friday November 24 2006.
At no time have CRA stated under what authority they are
BREAKING THE LAWS OF CANADA, which stipulate that
banknotes are legal tender!!
Looks like Alan Baggett is not the only foe of EXTORTION CANADA.
Anyone in Winnipeg wishing to take on CRA about this issue, like
Mr. Harris did about CRA REFUSING TO COLLECT THE
$1500 MILLION FROM THE BRONFMAN GANG?
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:01:58 -0700, Alan Baggett
<canada.rev...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Your money is no good at revenue agency
>CRA refuses to accept cash in payment of taxes
>Duncan Thorne, The Edmonton Journal
>Published: 2:05 am
>EDMONTON - The taxman doesn't want your coffee cans full of pennies.
>He won't accept crisp, new $20 bills, either. In fact, Canada Revenue
>Agency soon will refuse to take cash at all in payment of taxes.
>Starting Monday, Canadians who wish to render unto Caesar that which
>is Caesar's must use a debit card, cheque or money order to do so at
>revenue agency payment counters.
>"The no-currency policy will improve payment efficiency by directing
>Canadians to existing electronic banking channels that have proven
>themselves to be efficient and reliable," the revenue agency says.
>"It will also improve safety and reduce risk for employees
>and the public at CRA offices."
Actuaslly it will reduce the opportunities for CRA STAFF TO CONTINUE
TO STEAL CASH!!
>To Scott Hennig, Alberta director of the Canadian Taxpayers
>Federation, the ban on cash is ridiculous: "If the government deems it
>to be legal tender, you'd think the government, of all organizations,
>should accept it."
>Hennig said the revenue agency should be happy when someone comes in
>to pay with cash. "They shouldn't be too picky."
>William Grosvenor, a semi-retired accountant, has long insisted on
>making his quarterly tax payments in cash because he can leave with a
>receipt. He questions whether the revenue agency can legally refuse
>cash. Banknotes proclaim, in small type, "This note is legal tender."
>Taxpayers can still make cash payments at their financial
>institutions, said revenue agency spokeswoman Beatrice Fenelon.
>But few people want to pay with cash, Fenelon said. From January
>through June, just 0.3 per cent of 18.3 million tax payments were in
>cash.
>Hennig said the no-cash rule comes on the heels of a no-cheque decree
>for large corporations.
>In April 2006 the government started imposing fines, without warning,
>on large companies that delivered monthly tax cheques by hand to CRA
>offices instead of paying by other methods.
>The fines totalled 10 per cent of the amounts paid. In the case of a
>Calgary business the fine was $287,400 -- 10 per cent of a tax cheque
>for almost $2.9 million.
>The revenue agency argued that it imposed the fines -- under a long-
>existing rule that had not been enforced -- to stop companies from
>collecting interest while their cheques were processed.
>Hennig said the agency reversed last year's fines because of corporate
>objections. But fines imposed in 2007 stand.
>The taxpayers federation recently found, under an access-to-
>information request, that the CRA imposed 314 fines for payment by
>hand-delivered cheques in 2006. The fines totalled more than $2.5
>million. The largest was for $660,782.
>"It's our understanding that at least they're going to tell them if
>they walk in with a cheque, 'No, actually you have to pay through your
>financial institution,' " Hennig said. "It's better than what they
>were doing before, but you still should be able to walk in with a
>cheque.
>"You don't see Epcor or Telus or other companies saying, 'Oh gee, you
>paid on the deadline that we gave you, we're going to slap you with a
>fine.' "
>dth...@thejournal.canwest.com
>© The Edmonton Journal 2007
Grosvenor is right about 2% of the time. Mulroney was wrong to give that tax
break to the Bronfman family but since he was a lying, drunken, adulterer
I'm not too shocked. Can't blame Bronfman family for taking advantage
ability. Grosvenor is an Anti-Semite who changes nicks to avoid kill-filing.
He should clean Ken McVay's shoes as penance and contribute 10% of his
income to an Israeli charity.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:01:58 -0700, Alan Baggett
> <canada.rev...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Your money is no good at revenue agency
>
>>CRA refuses to accept cash in payment of taxes
>>Duncan Thorne, The Edmonton Journal
>
>>Published: 2:05 am
>
>>EDMONTON - The taxman doesn't want your coffee cans full of pennies.
>>He won't accept crisp, new $20 bills, either. In fact, Canada Revenue
>>Agency soon will refuse to take cash at all in payment of taxes.
>
>>Starting Monday, Canadians who wish to render unto Caesar that which
>>is Caesar's must use a debit card, cheque or money order to do so at
>>revenue agency payment counters.
>
>>"The no-currency policy will improve payment efficiency by directing
>>Canadians to existing electronic banking channels that have proven
>>themselves to be efficient and reliable," the revenue agency says.
>
>>"It will also improve safety and reduce risk for employees
>>and the public at CRA offices."
>
> Actuaslly it will reduce the opportunities for CRA STAFF TO CONTINUE
> TO STEAL CASH!!
Both are correct. I once had a landlord refuse to accept cash. I think he
was afraid of being robbed. It is inconvienenet for some ppl not to pay
cash.
>
>>To Scott Hennig, Alberta director of the Canadian Taxpayers
>>Federation, the ban on cash is ridiculous: "If the government deems it
>>to be legal tender, you'd think the government, of all organizations,
>>should accept it."
Correct. Now go sue them.
>
>>Hennig said the revenue agency should be happy when someone comes in
>>to pay with cash. "They shouldn't be too picky."
>
>>William Grosvenor, a semi-retired accountant, has long insisted on
>>making his quarterly tax payments in cash because he can leave with a
>>receipt. He questions whether the revenue agency can legally refuse
>>cash. Banknotes proclaim, in small type, "This note is legal tender."
I hope they are not bothering hundreds of other citizens just to annoy
Grosvenor. Interesting way to avoid the "Jewish controlled banks."
>
>>Taxpayers can still make cash payments at their financial
>>institutions, said revenue agency spokeswoman Beatrice Fenelon.
>
>>But few people want to pay with cash, Fenelon said. From January
>>through June, just 0.3 per cent of 18.3 million tax payments were in
>>cash.
>
>>Hennig said the no-cash rule comes on the heels of a no-cheque decree
>>for large corporations.
>
>>In April 2006 the government started imposing fines, without warning,
>>on large companies that delivered monthly tax cheques by hand to CRA
>>offices instead of paying by other methods.
Ridiculous. Surprised I haven't heard of this before.
>
>>The fines totalled 10 per cent of the amounts paid. In the case of a
>>Calgary business the fine was $287,400 -- 10 per cent of a tax cheque
>>for almost $2.9 million.
>
>>The revenue agency argued that it imposed the fines -- under a long-
>>existing rule that had not been enforced -- to stop companies from
>>collecting interest while their cheques were processed.
You think companies do that on purpose :-) As long as you pay on time that
is all that matters. If you want to give a 2% discount for paying by other
methods then that is fine.
>
>>Hennig said the agency reversed last year's fines because of corporate
>>objections. But fines imposed in 2007 stand.
Refund them all. Not too often I agree with corporate Canada about things
but I do this time.
>
>>The taxpayers federation recently found, under an access-to-
>>information request, that the CRA imposed 314 fines for payment by
>>hand-delivered cheques in 2006. The fines totalled more than $2.5
>>million. The largest was for $660,782.
>
>>"It's our understanding that at least they're going to tell them if
>>they walk in with a cheque, 'No, actually you have to pay through your
>>financial institution,' " Hennig said. "It's better than what they
>>were doing before, but you still should be able to walk in with a
>>cheque.
>
>>"You don't see Epcor or Telus or other companies saying, 'Oh gee, you
>>paid on the deadline that we gave you, we're going to slap you with a
>>fine.' "
>
>>dth...@thejournal.canwest.com
>
>>Š The Edmonton Journal 2007
>
>> Sun media carried the story on Friday November 24 2006.
>> At no time have CRA stated under what authority they are
>> BREAKING THE LAWS OF CANADA, which stipulate that
>> banknotes are legal tender!!
>> Looks like Alan Baggett is not the only foe of EXTORTION CANADA.
>> Anyone in Winnipeg wishing to take on CRA about this issue, like
>> Mr. Harris did about CRA REFUSING TO COLLECT THE
>> $1500 MILLION FROM THE BRONFMAN GANG?
>Grosvenor is right about 2% of the time. Mulroney was wrong to give that tax
>break to the Bronfman family but since he was a lying, drunken, adulterer
>I'm not too shocked. Can't blame Bronfman family for taking advantage
Why should Mulroney be excused for giving the ZYD BRONFMANS a free
$1500 MILLION OF TAXES, basically from all the honest taxpayers?
>> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:01:58 -0700, Alan Baggett
>> <canada.rev...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>Your money is no good at revenue agency
>>>CRA refuses to accept cash in payment of taxes
>>>Duncan Thorne, The Edmonton Journal
>>>Published: 2:05 am
>>>EDMONTON - The taxman doesn't want your coffee cans full of pennies.
>>>He won't accept crisp, new $20 bills, either. In fact, Canada Revenue
>>>Agency soon will refuse to take cash at all in payment of taxes.
>>>Starting Monday, Canadians who wish to render unto Caesar that which
>>>is Caesar's must use a debit card, cheque or money order to do so at
>>>revenue agency payment counters.
>>>"The no-currency policy will improve payment efficiency by directing
>>>Canadians to existing electronic banking channels that have proven
>>>themselves to be efficient and reliable," the revenue agency says.
>>>"It will also improve safety and reduce risk for employees
>>>and the public at CRA offices."
>> Actually it will reduce the opportunities for CRA STAFF TO CONTINUE
>> TO STEAL CASH!!
>Both are correct. I once had a landlord refuse to accept cash. I think he
>was afraid of being robbed. It is inconvenient for some ppl not to pay
>cash.
CRA should have had their thieving staff BONDED, as most normal businesses do.
>>>To Scott Hennig, Alberta director of the Canadian Taxpayers
>>>Federation, the ban on cash is ridiculous: "If the government deems it
>>>to be legal tender, you'd think the government, of all organizations,
>>>should accept it."
>Correct. Now go sue them.
>>>Hennig said the revenue agency should be happy when someone comes in
>>>to pay with cash. "They shouldn't be too picky."
>>>William Grosvenor, a semi-retired accountant, has long insisted on
>>>making his quarterly tax payments in cash because he can leave with a
>>>receipt. He questions whether the revenue agency can legally refuse
>>>cash. Banknotes proclaim, in small type, "This note is legal tender."
>I hope they are not bothering hundreds of other citizens just to annoy
>Grosvenor. Interesting way to avoid the "Jewish controlled banks."
>>>Taxpayers can still make cash payments at their financial
>>>institutions, said revenue agency spokeswoman Beatrice Fenelon.
>>>But few people want to pay with cash, Fenelon said. From January
>>>through June, just 0.3 per cent of 18.3 million tax payments were in
>>>cash.
>>>Hennig said the no-cash rule comes on the heels of a no-cheque decree
>>>for large corporations.
>>>In April 2006 the government started imposing fines, without warning,
>>>on large companies that delivered monthly tax cheques by hand to CRA
>>>offices instead of paying by other methods.
The CRA policy on the one hand to refuse cash, and on the other hand to refuse
cheques, is obviously inconsistent!
>Ridiculous. Surprised I haven't heard of this before.
Perhaps you should read the news more than once a year?
>>>The fines totalled 10 per cent of the amounts paid. In the case of a
>>>Calgary business the fine was $287,400 -- 10 per cent of a tax cheque
>>>for almost $2.9 million.
These are fined imposed by EXTORTION CANADA/CRA to firms for PAYING ON TIME!!
>
> Grosvenor is right about 2% of the time. Mulroney was wrong to give that tax
> break to the Bronfman family but since he was a lying, drunken, adulterer
> I'm not too shocked. Can't blame Bronfman family for taking advantage
Hardly. The Bronfmans are evidence that Canadians, Jewish or no, are wet
behind the ears when it comes to finance.
Dhu
There is also a law which states (perhaps a lawyer can look this up) if
a business refuses to take cash for a product or service they have
refused payment. The result is if they refuse payment then the service
or product is free. The argument is "I tried to pay and they wouldn't
accept it. I have witnesses who are willing to swear to it. The
individual in question who refused payment was Joe Blow."
The local phone company in Manitoba tried this a number of years ago. I
couldn't go in anywhere and pay cash. They wanted a cheque, money order,
credit card, or bank card. Each of those options came with a service
charge. Effectively it raised the monthly cost for a bare bones phone
line with no features from $30.00 to as much as $40.00. They were
closing local outlets and demanding we go to drug stores, banks, and the
like. I phoned them up and complained about this. Their bean counters
(arrogant SOBs they were) didn't believe me until they checked with the
lawyers. Sure enough they re-opened some local outlets within a week.
Later
Mike
Under Income Tax law, YOU ARE ASSUMED GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT!!
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:33:03 GMT, The Wizard of Oz <Wiz...@EmeraldCity.gov>
wrote:
Under Income Tax law, YOU ARE ASSUMED GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT!!
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:33:03 GMT, The Wizard of Oz <Wiz...@EmeraldCity.gov>
wrote:
>> Sun media carried the story on Friday November 24 2006.
>> At no time have CRA stated under what authority they are
>> BREAKING THE LAWS OF CANADA, which stipulate that
>> banknotes are legal tender!!
>> Looks like Alan Baggett is not the only foe of EXTORTION CANADA.
>> Anyone in Winnipeg wishing to take on CRA about this issue, like
>> Mr. Harris did about CRA REFUSING TO COLLECT THE
>> $1500 MILLION FROM THE BRONFMAN GANG?
>Grosvenor is right about 2% of the time. Mulroney was wrong to give that tax
>break to the Bronfman family but since he was a lying, drunken, adulterer
>I'm not too shocked. Can't blame Bronfman family for taking advantage
Why should Mulroney be excused for giving the ZYD BRONFMANS a free
$1500 MILLION OF TAXES, basically from all the honest taxpayers?
>> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:01:58 -0700, Alan Baggett
>> <canada.rev...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>Your money is no good at revenue agency
>>>CRA refuses to accept cash in payment of taxes
>>>Duncan Thorne, The Edmonton Journal
>>>Published: 2:05 am
>>>EDMONTON - The taxman doesn't want your coffee cans full of pennies.
>>>He won't accept crisp, new $20 bills, either. In fact, Canada Revenue
>>>Agency soon will refuse to take cash at all in payment of taxes.
>>>Starting Monday, Canadians who wish to render unto Caesar that which
>>>is Caesar's must use a debit card, cheque or money order to do so at
>>>revenue agency payment counters.
>>>"The no-currency policy will improve payment efficiency by directing
>>>Canadians to existing electronic banking channels that have proven
>>>themselves to be efficient and reliable," the revenue agency says.
>>>"It will also improve safety and reduce risk for employees
>>>and the public at CRA offices."
>> Actually it will reduce the opportunities for CRA STAFF TO CONTINUE
>> TO STEAL CASH!!
>Both are correct. I once had a landlord refuse to accept cash. I think he
>was afraid of being robbed. It is inconvenient for some ppl not to pay
>cash.
CRA should have had their thieving staff BONDED, as most normal businesses do.
>>>To Scott Hennig, Alberta director of the Canadian Taxpayers
>>>Federation, the ban on cash is ridiculous: "If the government deems it
>>>to be legal tender, you'd think the government, of all organizations,
>>>should accept it."
>Correct. Now go sue them.
>>>Hennig said the revenue agency should be happy when someone comes in
>>>to pay with cash. "They shouldn't be too picky."
>>>William Grosvenor, a semi-retired accountant, has long insisted on
>>>making his quarterly tax payments in cash because he can leave with a
>>>receipt. He questions whether the revenue agency can legally refuse
>>>cash. Banknotes proclaim, in small type, "This note is legal tender."
>I hope they are not bothering hundreds of other citizens just to annoy
>Grosvenor. Interesting way to avoid the "Jewish controlled banks."
>>>Taxpayers can still make cash payments at their financial
>>>institutions, said revenue agency spokeswoman Beatrice Fenelon.
>>>But few people want to pay with cash, Fenelon said. From January
>>>through June, just 0.3 per cent of 18.3 million tax payments were in
>>>cash.
>>>Hennig said the no-cash rule comes on the heels of a no-cheque decree
>>>for large corporations.
>>>In April 2006 the government started imposing fines, without warning,
>>>on large companies that delivered monthly tax cheques by hand to CRA
>>>offices instead of paying by other methods.
The CRA policy on the one hand to refuse cash, and on the other hand to refuse
cheques, is obviously inconsistent!
>Ridiculous. Surprised I haven't heard of this before.
Perhaps you should read the news more than once a year?
>>>The fines totalled 10 per cent of the amounts paid. In the case of a
>>>Calgary business the fine was $287,400 -- 10 per cent of a tax cheque
>>>for almost $2.9 million.
These are fined imposed by EXTORTION CANADA/CRA to firms for PAYING ON TIME!!
>>>The revenue agency argued that it imposed the fines -- under a long-
Perhaps if a group of taxpayers descended on the local CRA offices, with
cash in hand to pay their bills, together with a lawyer as Officer of the
Court, with lots of media as witnesses, then perhaps CRA would stop
acting criminally in refusing to accept legal tender?
Grosvenor last year at the Edmonton tax office called the media about this
situation, after local CRA flunkies threatened to call the police because he
was paying in cash.
Perhaps if this were done at several tax offices across the country, with all
the attendant publicity, then perhaps CRA would get the message?
Alan Baggett, care to comment?
Under Income Tax law, YOU ARE ASSUMED GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT!!
The same will apply to the criminals managing CRA!
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:33:03 GMT, The Wizard of Oz <Wiz...@EmeraldCity.gov>
wrote:
Perhaps if a group of taxpayers descended on the local CRA offices, with
cash in hand to pay their bills, together with a lawyer as Officer of the
Court, with lots of media as witnesses, then perhaps CRA would stop
acting criminally in refusing to accept legal tender?
Grosvenor last year at the Edmonton tax office called the media about this
situation, after local CRA flunkies threatened to call the police because he
was paying in cash.
Perhaps if this were done at several tax offices across the country, with all
the attendant publicity, then perhaps CRA would get the message?
Would CRA then illegally continue to refuse cash, knowing that taxpayer debts
would then be voided? How many millions lost will it take for CRA to obey the
law?
Alan Baggett, care to comment?
Under Income Tax law, YOU ARE ASSUMED GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT!!
The same will apply to the criminals managing CRA!
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:33:03 GMT, The Wizard of Oz <Wiz...@EmeraldCity.gov>
wrote:
If some Billngual mutherfuck from Ottawa came to my door offering cash?
I would use rock salt, and chase him away!
(In all 11 official languages.. English, drunken English, Drunken Hindu,
Eloquent French Canadian, drunken French Canadian, Sudbury French, Spadina
Chinese, AsiaCourt Chinese, Don Cherry Red Neck Babble, and of course what they
speak up in the projects around Keele and where all the black fellas with guns
live!)
;
"Jim McCarthy" <JimMc...@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote in message
news:0trob3h7f7vbsed2g...@4ax.com...
>>>>© The Edmonton Journal 2007
>
They still have rules to follow. They have to take the person to court
first. When in court just bring evidence you made the effort. Bring a
photocopy of the pages containing the law you refer to. Highlight the
relevant portion. The argument is "Your Honour, I TRIED to pay. Here is
the proof. They refused payment. According to law XYZ if they refuse
payment then I don't have to pay. If YOU say I still have to pay
especially after THEY SAID they didn't really want me to pay then I will
do so gladly. Here is the cash."
Later
Mike
I for one would really like to see someone challenge them on this
issue.
An Agency of the Canadian Government refusing to accept legal tender
seems absolutely ridiculous.
Maybe the real reason behind all this is a cost cutting measure - they
can abdicate all transaction costs and foist them onto the banks. Make
them pay for it. And the banks can raise the fees that they charge us.
Or maybe the government has no faith in the Canadian currency. And
they're going to replace it with that of another nation.
I would rather look at loonies and twonies over Washington and
Jefferson (or Susan B Anthony) any day.
Bullshit. What "lawyers" did you check with who told you this? Names
and phone numbers please.
--
K.
Lang may your lum reek.
""Király"" <m...@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote in message
news:yHmvi.73606$Io4.53495@edtnps89...
>Yes.
>> So if the person ONLY wants to pay cash but the 'seller' does not
>> accept cash what is the alternative? No sale?
>
>Yes. If the buyer has a problem with that he can tell the shopkeeper
>so and take hi business elsewhere. In the case of a debt owing for
>services already rendered, the payee could take the debtor to small claims
>court if he feels that strongly about refusing cash.
>> Or in this case no payment of tax?
>Yeah, right. Whenever I fill out my tax form, at the end it says if tax
>is owed, to send a cheque or money order payable to the Receiver
>General. So those are the terms. If somebody wants to be a dick about
>it and insist on paying cash despite the clearly stated terms, I guess he
>can see the CRA in court.
Since it is the government of Canada that prints the worthless paper called
banknotes, which includes the expression about being legal tender,
under what basis of law can the same government then REFUSE
TO ACCEPT THEIR LEGAL TENDER AT THE CRA?
That they prefer to not have to do any work is obvious, which is why they ask
for cheque or money order, so they do not need to count cash, which involves
some of the staff actually working for their overpaid salaries.
Jim McCarthy wrote:
>
> Since it is the government of Canada that prints the worthless paper called
> banknotes, which includes the expression about being legal tender,
> under what basis of law can the same government then REFUSE
> TO ACCEPT THEIR LEGAL TENDER AT THE CRA?
>
Cite the Law that says you must accept Canadian banknotes! I doubt their
is a law requiring anyone to accept cash. Many merchants are refusing
cash because banks now charge 2% to deposit cash into commercial
accounts. I guess this will appear soon enough on consumer accounts.
> That they prefer to not have to do any work is obvious, which is why they ask
> for cheque or money order, so they do not need to count cash, which involves
> some of the staff actually working for their overpaid salaries.
>
It also means the CRA offices don't have to be a fortress. Besides who
the Hell would carry large amounts of cash around?
Just curious why YOU have not challenged this yourself?
Perhaps if a group of taxpayers descended on the local CRA offices, with
cash in hand to pay their bills, together with a lawyer as Officer of the Court,
with lots of media as witnesses, then perhaps CRA would stop
acting criminally in refusing to accept legal tender?
Grosvenor last year at the Edmonton tax office called the media about this
situation, after local CRA flunkies threatened to call the police because he
was paying in cash.
Perhaps if this were done at several tax offices across the country, with
all the attendant publicity, then perhaps CRA would get the message?
Would CRA then illegally continue to refuse cash, knowing that taxpayer
debts would then be voided? How many millions lost will it take for CRA
to obey the law?
Alan Baggett, care to comment?
Under Income Tax law, YOU ARE ASSUMED GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT!!
The same will apply to the criminals managing CRA!
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:33:03 GMT, The Wizard of Oz <Wiz...@EmeraldCity.gov>
wrote: