Looking for data on MTA elevator and escalators

[Andrew Glass]

Hi all

I'm looking to build an app with the MTA elevator/escalator data set found here: http://web.mta.info/developers/data/nyct/nyct_ene.xml

While this data has all elevators/escalators currently down, it would be really great to get a data-set of all elevators/escalators in the system.  Does anyone know if this exists?

Thanks

Andy

[Samuel Wong]

This inventory listing is not available publicly; however, if there demand for it, we can possibly accommodate and provide an list of NYCT elevators and escalators. 

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[Andrew Glass]

Hi Sam

I'd be really interested in the data.  I'm looking to work with the MTA elevator/escalator api, which provides updates based on the specific pieces of equipment.  I'd love to have a canonical list of equipment and a better way to map that equipment back to the stations they serve.

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help make this happen.

Cheers,

Andy

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[Noel Hidalgo]

Sam,

I too think this data would be useful. Imagine an app that can alert someone when their mobility limited infrastructure is down. 

When my girlfriend broke her foot, she found it quite frustrating that she couldn't plan for stations that had escalators, let alone know which ones were broken. 

IMHO, with an underground system that isn't the best to accommodate those with mobility issues, this is a critical dataset. Not only do I recommend the creation of  a dataset that tells people what type of mobility assets they can find, but availability is key. If a 'vador is down or a 'scator off, that really impacts people's ability to move.

n

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[Jeremy Baron]

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Noel Hidalgo <no...@beta.nyc> wrote:
> I too think this data would be useful. Imagine an app that can alert someone
> when their mobility limited infrastructure is down.
>
> When my girlfriend broke her foot, she found it quite frustrating that she
> couldn't plan for stations that had escalators, let alone know which ones
> were broken.
>
> IMHO, with an underground system that isn't the best to accommodate those
> with mobility issues, this is a critical dataset.

agreed

> Not only do I recommend
> the creation of a dataset that tells people what type of mobility assets
> they can find, but availability is key. If a 'vador is down or a 'scator
> off, that really impacts people's ability to move.

Also, what are the criteria for piece of infrastructure to be included
or excluded from either list? (the inventory or the currently down)

What if it's not owned by MTA? not maintained by MTA? inside the
system or outside the system? (i.e. which side of the turnstile) What
if it's down for a long, planned outage? (e.g. 63rd + lex, street to
turnstile elevator)

-Jeremy

P.S. I've not seen this is NYC but I once saw someone at a station in
another system with a broken elevator take the escalator in a
wheelchair. He had developed a method for how to position himself and
where to hold exactly (on the black moving rubber handrails) but he
said it was still a very scary thing to do. He lives near that system
but not directly in an area covered by it and he talked about
routinely having to take escalators when elevators were unexpectedly
out.

[Dyer, James]

On 12/10/2014 08:18 AM, Noel Hidalgo wrote:
> When my girlfriend broke her foot, she found it quite
> frustrating that she couldn't plan for stations that
> had escalators, let alone know which ones were broken.

My thinking is that this is an accessibility issue and
should be part of the alerts for a trip, quite apart from
an escalator/elevator status API. In GTFS-Realtime terms
that would be a "service alert" and in SIRI it would be a
"situation."

The spec for service alerts in GTFS-Realtime includes an
`effect` field, perhaps the MODIFIED_SERVICE enum, though
perhaps an accessibility enum should be added:

https://developers.google.com/transit/gtfs-realtime/service-alerts

The `effect` field is unused in the Subway's GTFS-Realtime
feed, and similarly, whereas SIRI's `Situation` element
contains a `Severity` setting, I've gotten "undefined"
when I've queried BusTime for it.

There's an older convention that separates "alerts" from
"advisories," and they can be entirely different systems
(some agencies have separate third parties running them!).
I've been in exactly the situation as you, my girlfriend
was on crutches, except we were shuttling between NYC and
the Bay Area at the time.

Bay Area Rapid Transit is fastidious about ADA compliance,
and there are constant announcement and countdown clock
displays about elevators out of service. However, these
are "advisories" and don't show up in their GTFS-Realtime
alerts feed. There's room for improvement on both coasts.
<_Jym_>

[Noel Hidalgo]

Jym, That's good to know.

Is there a city on this planet that does proper accessibility alerts? It would be great to have an example.

n

[Samuel Wong]

Hi Noel and Jeremy,

Points understood.  We're working to obtain the entire escalator and elevator listing for the New York City Transit subway system.  Please standby.

Sam

(NYCT)

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[Andrew Glass]

Thanks Sam,

Was wondering if there is any time table on when you'd expect this to be completed by.

Thanks again so much.  Looking forward to using this data to help persons with disabilities better utilize our transit system.

Thanks

Andrew

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[Samuel Wong]

No ETA yet from the technology group.  Will try to obtain one in a bit.

Sam

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[Andrew Glass]

Hi Sam

Wanted to see if there was any update on this.

Thanks

Andy

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[Samuel Wong]

Hi Andrew.

Still working on it.  Will get you some details later.

Sam

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[Samuel Wong]

Hmm.  I was just looking at the Developers Page and the E&E Listing is actually now available.  :)  Have fun! 

http://web.mta.info/developers/developer-data-terms.html#data

MTA NYCT ->  E&E listing

[Andrew Glass]

Awesome!  Thanks so much Samuel!

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