VaultPress vs. ManageWP for Backups

[Toby Cryns]

Hi!  I have a quick question about off-site backups.

I need a reliable, automated solution for secondary backups (including "uploads" folder and database). I have many sites on WP Engine, but lots of my legacy sites are on different environments (custom vps's, Hostgator, Dreamhost, 1&1, etc. etc.).  FYI, I want a managed solution and not a plugin solution (so BackupBuddy is out!).

If you have tried either VaultPress or ManageWP, have you run into any issues with either VaultPress or ManageWP backups when working with different hosting companies or server environments?  Any opinions about either service?

Thanks!
Toby

[Patrick]

I think the bigger question isn't so much how to manage the backups, but how to create and store the backups offline without blowing past the bandwidth limits of your hosting services.

Some quick math on a hypothetical 'uploads' folder consuming 500 MB of local storage.

Compression may lead to vary little reduction in size, because the 'uploads' folder will probably be mostly images, and those may already be stored in a highly compressed format. For the sake of argument, let's say that you get 5:1 compression. That's an absurd number, but I'm trying to show that even a best-case scenario is not all that good. So, lets say that compressed, this folder will be around 100 MB.

Transferring a daily backup would consume  or around 3 GB of bandwidth per month (30.412 days/month  x 100 MB/day). That's just for one folder in one site. This could be reduced by doing incremental backups on a daily basis and full backups only weekly (monthly?). You'd have to do consider how much data you have and how much you want to back up to be able to see whether you have the bandwidth to do so.

This is the conundrum of many hosting plans. They keep prices down by doling out thin slivers of resources. Unfortunately, the bandwidth cap imposed doesn't allow for transferring backups to offline storage.

I'm beginning to think that an important part of the costing/pricing of hosting needs to include the cost of either paying for the bandwidth for backup transfer or the cost of paying the hosting provider to do so. 

[David Skarjune]

I've used both, primarily ManageWP for my WP sites. I like MWP, since it runs independently in the cloud connnecting via a worker plugin, and I can automate backups to both server and Google Drive. I have found it very reliable, although with very large sites you may run into server issues that require tweaking either MWP settings and/or PHP settings. 

One client has VaultPress, and I've had problems both with using restore and getting support--weird as this is Automattic. Hopefully others are getting better mileage with VP.

On Friday, October 10, 2014 9:27:25 AM UTC-5, Toby Cryns wrote:

[Nathan Corbier]

I've used Snapshot from WPMUDev and ManageWP. My clients that are on managed support are added to ManageWP, which includes their daily backups (and have an option of hourly incremental backups if needed for an additional fee, of course) and some other things. I back up to Google Drive or AWS S3, usually Google Drive. 

I like the automation of ManageWP and that its doing more than just backups, its a selling point that managed support is more than just backing up the site to my clients, so ManageWP helps me sell that support option.

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[Toby Cryns]

Thanks for sharing your experiences about ManageWP and VaultPress.  Am I correct in saying that ManageWP requires server-side zipping?  Or do they also offer incremental backups similar to VaultPress?

Thanks again!
Toby

On Sunday, October 12, 2014 5:11:40 PM UTC-5, Nathan Corbier wrote:

I've used Snapshot from WPMUDev and ManageWP. My clients that are on managed support are added to ManageWP, which includes their daily backups (and have an option of hourly incremental backups if needed for an additional fee, of course) and some other things. I back up to Google Drive or AWS S3, usually Google Drive. 

I like the automation of ManageWP and that its doing more than just backups, its a selling point that managed support is more than just backing up the site to my clients, so ManageWP helps me sell that support option.

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Founder and President

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On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:13 PM, David Skarjune <david.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've used both, primarily ManageWP for my WP sites. I like MWP, since it runs independently in the cloud connnecting via a worker plugin, and I can automate backups to both server and Google Drive. I have found it very reliable, although with very large sites you may run into server issues that require tweaking either MWP settings and/or PHP settings. 

One client has VaultPress, and I've had problems both with using restore and getting support--weird as this is Automattic. Hopefully others are getting better mileage with VP.

On Friday, October 10, 2014 9:27:25 AM UTC-5, Toby Cryns wrote:

Hi!  I have a quick question about off-site backups.

I need a reliable, automated solution for secondary backups (including "uploads" folder and database). I have many sites on WP Engine, but lots of my legacy sites are on different environments (custom vps's, Hostgator, Dreamhost, 1&1, etc. etc.).  FYI, I want a managed solution and not a plugin solution (so BackupBuddy is out!).

If you have tried either VaultPress or ManageWP, have you run into any issues with either VaultPress or ManageWP backups when working with different hosting companies or server environments?  Any opinions about either service?

Thanks!
Toby

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[David Skarjune]

Am I correct in saying that ManageWP requires server-side zipping?  Or do they also offer incremental backups similar to VaultPress?

Yes, ManageWP is a server-side zip, and it allows you to do DB only or DB & Files, and allows for folder includes and excludes. It does not offer real-time incremental. Price is $2.40 per mth per site.

Vaultpress real-time incremental costs $15 per mth per site.  

[Toby C]

Thanks for the extra clarification, David!

I signed up for a $5/month Vaultpress account yesterday to give it a spin.  I'll let you know how it goes.

Toby

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