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Web Literacy standard community call: 8th April 2013
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Doug Belshaw
Apr 5, 2013, 6:28:22 AM4/5/13
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Hi everyone, just a reminder that we're moving to MONDAYS from next week for the Web Literacy standard calls.
The details for our next meeting can be found below:
Day: Monday 8th April 2013
Time: 8am PT / 11am ET / 4pm BST
URL: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/weblitstd-community-8apr13
On this call we need to:
- Agree on descriptors for the three strands (Exploring / Building / Connecting)
- Discuss an updated grid
- Start the process of providing short descriptors for the competencies
I'm looking forward to talking on Monday! See you all then! :-)
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Doug Belshaw
Badges & Skills Lead
Mozilla Foundation
The details for our next meeting can be found below:
Day: Monday 8th April 2013
Time: 8am PT / 11am ET / 4pm BST
URL: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/weblitstd-community-8apr13
On this call we need to:
- Agree on descriptors for the three strands (Exploring / Building / Connecting)
- Discuss an updated grid
- Start the process of providing short descriptors for the competencies
I'm looking forward to talking on Monday! See you all then! :-)
-----
Doug Belshaw
Badges & Skills Lead
Mozilla Foundation
Doug Belshaw
Apr 5, 2013, 11:09:47 AM4/5/13
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So if last time I presented a 'straw man' I'm making this one a 'wooden non-gender-specific person':
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Learning/WebLiteracyStandard/ScratchPad
Comments welcome, either below or on Monday's call! The main question, remember: IS THIS SOMETHING PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO ALIGN WITH? :-)
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Learning/WebLiteracyStandard/ScratchPad
Comments welcome, either below or on Monday's call! The main question, remember: IS THIS SOMETHING PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO ALIGN WITH? :-)
christian briggs
Apr 6, 2013, 1:29:58 AM4/6/13
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Hi Doug,
Will _partial_ alignment be of use to the effort? If so, it may be helpful to be clear about this with those who are considering aligning. I did read your blog post "What does it mean to align.." by the way. :)
In my startup for example, we are working on ways to help large groups of people in organizational settings to improve web/digital literacy/ies. We are focusing on _some_ of the things that are reflected in the standard, like using collaborative tools, security/encryption, open practices, searching. On the other hand, we are less focused (only because we often have to prioritize!) on things like CSS, coding/scripting. We are also focused on things that are not directly reflected (though i think they are heavily implied) in the current grid. For example, we are developing a "Trusterstanding" badge issued to a person who knows how to create trust with other folks, and a "Participation Promoter" issued to a person who helps others to participate.
Will _partial_ alignment be of use to the effort? If so, it may be helpful to be clear about this with those who are considering aligning. I did read your blog post "What does it mean to align.." by the way. :)
In my startup for example, we are working on ways to help large groups of people in organizational settings to improve web/digital literacy/ies. We are focusing on _some_ of the things that are reflected in the standard, like using collaborative tools, security/encryption, open practices, searching. On the other hand, we are less focused (only because we often have to prioritize!) on things like CSS, coding/scripting. We are also focused on things that are not directly reflected (though i think they are heavily implied) in the current grid. For example, we are developing a "Trusterstanding" badge issued to a person who knows how to create trust with other folks, and a "Participation Promoter" issued to a person who helps others to participate.
jamieal...@googlemail.com
Apr 6, 2013, 11:27:50 AM4/6/13
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Hi Doug,
Like the latest grid.
Under 'Exploring'
How's about the Searching competency going into Browser skills, creating a place in that strand for 'Identity'(+1) or something else?
Like the latest grid.
Under 'Exploring'
How's about the Searching competency going into Browser skills, creating a place in that strand for 'Identity'(+1) or something else?
Carla Casilli, Badge System Design Lead
Apr 7, 2013, 11:28:12 PM4/7/13
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Hey Christian,
Great question; thanks for asking it. Absolutely, one of the best aspects of the new web literacy standard will be the modularity of it. It will not be necessary to align with everything in the standard. In fact, the standard will become even stronger if other organizations build upon it or develop adjuncts to it. That said, if, as the standard moves into practice, we find that new content makes more sense, we can pull that new content into the larger overall structure.
In that sense, the standard can act like a github for web literacy. (Thanks to fellow Mozillian Geoffrey MacDougall for that metaphor idea.) :)
Carla
Great question; thanks for asking it. Absolutely, one of the best aspects of the new web literacy standard will be the modularity of it. It will not be necessary to align with everything in the standard. In fact, the standard will become even stronger if other organizations build upon it or develop adjuncts to it. That said, if, as the standard moves into practice, we find that new content makes more sense, we can pull that new content into the larger overall structure.
In that sense, the standard can act like a github for web literacy. (Thanks to fellow Mozillian Geoffrey MacDougall for that metaphor idea.) :)
Carla
Carla Casilli, Badge System Design Lead
Apr 7, 2013, 11:40:14 PM4/7/13
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Hi all,
I'm sorry to report that I will not be able to attend Monday's Web Literacy Standard call due to an equally important call that has been scheduled at that time.
But I will be there in spirit. I look forward to reading the notes in the etherpad (write everything down!) and seeing even more of your brilliant thinking about the non-gender specific wood person and the first steps of the short descriptors for the competencies reflected in it.
We're getting so close! Thanks for all of your hard work so far. You're a great group!
Cheers,
Carla
I'm sorry to report that I will not be able to attend Monday's Web Literacy Standard call due to an equally important call that has been scheduled at that time.
But I will be there in spirit. I look forward to reading the notes in the etherpad (write everything down!) and seeing even more of your brilliant thinking about the non-gender specific wood person and the first steps of the short descriptors for the competencies reflected in it.
We're getting so close! Thanks for all of your hard work so far. You're a great group!
Cheers,
Carla
Doug Belshaw
Apr 8, 2013, 3:47:08 AM4/8/13
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Hi everyone,
Disappointed Carla can't make it, but exciting stuff happening in Chicago with badges! :-)
To answer Jamie's point, we decided last week to move more abstract elements (like 'Identity') to a meta-level rather than include them at the grid (competency) level.
And yes, as Carla says, aligning with the standard doesn't mean aligning with the *whole* grid. You can align with part of it!
Disappointed Carla can't make it, but exciting stuff happening in Chicago with badges! :-)
To answer Jamie's point, we decided last week to move more abstract elements (like 'Identity') to a meta-level rather than include them at the grid (competency) level.
And yes, as Carla says, aligning with the standard doesn't mean aligning with the *whole* grid. You can align with part of it!
jamieal...@googlemail.com
Apr 8, 2013, 4:47:03 AM4/8/13
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Hi Doug,
Re: Identity
I had noticed that it'd been moved to the meta-level last week but because I feel it's such an fundamental factor my post was a cheeky suggestion to find a way to bring it back! (acknowledging its abstract nature by placing it under exploring)
:-)
Re: Identity
I had noticed that it'd been moved to the meta-level last week but because I feel it's such an fundamental factor my post was a cheeky suggestion to find a way to bring it back! (acknowledging its abstract nature by placing it under exploring)
:-)
Ian O'Byrne
Apr 8, 2013, 7:49:43 AM4/8/13
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Hi all,
Doug, your wooden, non-gender-specific individual looks good. You've got quite the skill (building literacy) in terms of these graphics. You'll have to share how you build them.
I think we're closing to agreeing upon the main strands. I would suggest that we should be able to move on to the sub-strands, or descriptors. For each we'll need to make sure we define all of these things. I'd be interested to see now how people feel about the aspects included in the grid...and what is missing/needed/not needed.
Great work. If we get to unpack the sub-skills today...this should be great work.
Thanks again Doug and Carla for your leadership.
-Ian
Doug, your wooden, non-gender-specific individual looks good. You've got quite the skill (building literacy) in terms of these graphics. You'll have to share how you build them.
I think we're closing to agreeing upon the main strands. I would suggest that we should be able to move on to the sub-strands, or descriptors. For each we'll need to make sure we define all of these things. I'd be interested to see now how people feel about the aspects included in the grid...and what is missing/needed/not needed.
Great work. If we get to unpack the sub-skills today...this should be great work.
Thanks again Doug and Carla for your leadership.
-Ian
da...@plml.org
Apr 8, 2013, 10:14:09 AM4/8/13
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Jamie,
Can you unravel that thinking a bit?
If there were specific non-abstract skills/items associated with 'Identity', what might you want taught/engaged by learners?
--Dave
Can you unravel that thinking a bit?
If there were specific non-abstract skills/items associated with 'Identity', what might you want taught/engaged by learners?
--Dave
jamieal...@googlemail.com
Apr 8, 2013, 10:43:43 AM4/8/13
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Hiya Dave, have enjoyed your contributions.
Was bringing my personal angle to the grid & the basic thinking was on 2 fronts:
To produce a website as an individual or organisation you need a strong sense of self-identity before you can think of adding or styling content.
Combine this with the need to identify your audience (Personas)
Sorry to be brief!
cheers jamie
Was bringing my personal angle to the grid & the basic thinking was on 2 fronts:
To produce a website as an individual or organisation you need a strong sense of self-identity before you can think of adding or styling content.
Combine this with the need to identify your audience (Personas)
Sorry to be brief!
cheers jamie
da...@plml.org
Apr 8, 2013, 10:55:41 AM4/8/13
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Hi Jamie,
Ok, thanks, sir!
Was trying to understand if your concerns could be tied to specific skills, e.g., 'Creating an online profile, limiting information shared' or a more general approach (as you say, self-identity).
--Dave
Ok, thanks, sir!
Was trying to understand if your concerns could be tied to specific skills, e.g., 'Creating an online profile, limiting information shared' or a more general approach (as you say, self-identity).
--Dave
Ian O'Byrne
Apr 8, 2013, 12:13:00 PM4/8/13
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Hi all...here's the latest from our call on 4/8/13. Sorry about the formatting...maybe I'll drop it in gDocs so we can continue to tease it apart. Please respond here if you want it in Google Docs. -Ian
DESCRIBING THE STRANDS
Rationale: we need one-sentence descriptors for each of the three strands to explain how we're using the words 'Exploring', 'Building' and 'Connecting' in relation to the Web Literacy Standard.
Christian's starter for 10 (from the Google Group):
Exploring: Emphasizes moving through, critically examining existing artifacts and spaces. Is there a better word for "moving"?..everything else is cool 'Traversing'? (IO)Naviating... explor-ack... +1 for navigating "Navigates and critically evaluates existing artifacts and spaces in order to..." (IO)+1 there
Building: Emphasizes generating new artifacts and spaces. "Generates new and existing artifacts and spaces in order to...." or.."Generates new, contributes to or remixes... (hmm) existing..."? That's what I was thinking...trying to weave in building new, revising old, or remixing...perhaps "Generates, synthesizes, or remixes existing artifacts and spaces in order to..." (IO)
Connecting: Emphasizes generating meaning and action with other people enabled/constrained by socially constructed shared strategies, norms, rules and laws.(too wonky sounding!!, but a start -CB) "Generates meaning and action..."(IO) Emphasizes skills and practices applied in support of exploring and building? [[see the grid; e.g., both password practices & 'participating in web communities']]
Questions:
Doug - Would "meaning" be better placed at a meta-level?
Dave? - Does Connecting include practices, skills that support both building and exploring?
Notes:
http://viz-up-the-world.blogspot.ca/2010/01/further-interpretation-for-visual.html
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Learning/WebLiteracyStandard/ScratchPad
Behaviours, skills, attitudes, knowledge
==================================================================
4) DIGGING (FURTHER!) INTO THE COMPETENCIES (scroll down for activity)
We want to start describing the competencies
Original grid: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Learning/WebLiteracies
New, 'straw man' grid: http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2013/04/02/web-literacy-standard-a-modest-proposal-weblitstd/
NEW, new 'wooden non-gender specific' grid: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Learning/WebLiteracyStandard/ScratchPad
***ACTIVITY***
How can we best describe the competencies?
EXPLORING
Browser skills
(e.g.) Using Web browser functionality to access and understand online content
Understanding the elements of a browser, e.g., search bar
Searching Can't this go under Browser skills? Maybe make it searching/sifting...or mix it into crap detection down below (IO)
[might call it out explicitly, as the tools of a browser are things like plugins/view source; search is a bit different, e.g. web mediated -- although a search bar is now built into web browsers]
Crap detection Is this really an issue of "Validation" Yes, or 'credibility' (which is what it was called last week ;-) Distinguishing good and bad info online (CL) Critical Evaluation of Online Information...credibility and relevance (IO) we also framed it as "healthy skepticism of online info" in talks (IO)
Using tools, practices and prior knowledge to assess content quality, credibility and applicability (?)
Would then include (for ex) using Whois, viewing source, weighing for bias, etc Think of this as applying critical thinking skills to finding information online. Agree it's similar to searching (DG)
Diana: 'Verification'?
Go back to 'assessing credibility'?
Evaluation? Evaluating?+1
GIGO? :-)
Remixing
- comprehending, synthesizing, remixing (IO)aggregating?
Web mechanics does navigation fall under this? I'd say under Browser SkillsAgreed Browser & Web mechanics (IO)
Viewing source; using 'under the hood' (Doug)
Privacy
Applying tools and practices to manage the sharing of personal information
Cookies, profile security, proxies
BUILDING
Accessibilty
orientation (knowing where you are)
Ah - note potential overlap w/ UI/UX
HTML
A set of fundamental skills applied to read and write the basic structures of content that builds a web page
Examples: headers, meta information, title, image, media, div structure, javascript (below) interplay; classes and styles (below)
what about labeling this with a pronoun? (not a proper noun) "web architecture" or "content building", maybe?
CSS
A set of skills to apply styles to structures of the Web
UI/UX aspects of Web design - more generic version could be"Design" or "Design for People" (CB) - Design will always be part of this.
Competencies required to build web pages that promote efficient use and ease the acquisition of the information or content provided (for ex)
including disability access, color blindness, etc
User research/testing (CB)+1
Design thinking - it's a loaded/disputed term, but important (CB)
Coding/scripting
Coding with others (commenting, etc) (CB)
Infrastructure
Understanding/Creating/managing databases (CB)?
Understanding/Creating/Managing web servers (CB)?
make sure we keep in relatively "low-level" skills such as "noticing and naming" of markers of online info for beginning online readers (IO)
CONNECTING
Sharing via social networks
Using bookmarklets, browser extensions and other tools to share content and creations to social networks.
Thinking about immediate and extended (later in time, when content is re-shared) audience (CB)
curating, creating, then constructing (IO)
Netiquette Learning the do's and don't of respectable online behavior (DG)
Respecting others' privacy and not doing anything online that will embarrass, irritate or upset other people (CL)
Participating in Web communities
Participating in web communities (CB)
Helping others to participate in web communities (CB)
Introducing to web communities, e.g., do all users know that mailing lists exist (and are valuable?)
Using collaborative tools
collaboratively writing and constructing online texts (IO)
changes in writing process as per new digital texts and tools (IO)
negotiation of individual & group roles in work process & product (IO)
Security/encryption
how much of this plays into netiquette? Is there a way to weave this with privacy, and netiquette (IO)I'm not sure it is quite the same, it seems to be related more to managing your presence - what to reveal, what to connect to... awarenss of the spectrum of hardware, software and human components of online security (JLE)
also related to https: (secure browsing), wifi encryption, basic practices for keeping tcp/ip signals safe when browsing from Starbucks (or some other trendy cafe!) :o) Yes - agreed! (JLE)
Open practices
sharing openly online (IO)
providing open documentation of thinking processes to assist others (IO)
providing open access to resources, digital texts, and tools for all users globally...some people might not have the means (e.g., finances) to access these resources...need to provide open access (IO)
Creative Commons -- understanding various forms for publishing and sharing content (digital texts, writing, as Ian relates) +1
Questions / suggestions:
Explicating the difference b/t Accessibility and UI/UX
And between Browser Mechanics and Browser Skills
Roz: HTML to 'building blocks of the Web' "building block language/code"?
Roz: CSS to 'styling the Web'? (remove UI/UX) building styles? building characteristics?
DESCRIBING THE STRANDS
Rationale: we need one-sentence descriptors for each of the three strands to explain how we're using the words 'Exploring', 'Building' and 'Connecting' in relation to the Web Literacy Standard.
Christian's starter for 10 (from the Google Group):
Exploring: Emphasizes moving through, critically examining existing artifacts and spaces. Is there a better word for "moving"?..everything else is cool 'Traversing'? (IO)Naviating... explor-ack... +1 for navigating "Navigates and critically evaluates existing artifacts and spaces in order to..." (IO)+1 there
Building: Emphasizes generating new artifacts and spaces. "Generates new and existing artifacts and spaces in order to...." or.."Generates new, contributes to or remixes... (hmm) existing..."? That's what I was thinking...trying to weave in building new, revising old, or remixing...perhaps "Generates, synthesizes, or remixes existing artifacts and spaces in order to..." (IO)
Connecting: Emphasizes generating meaning and action with other people enabled/constrained by socially constructed shared strategies, norms, rules and laws.(too wonky sounding!!, but a start -CB) "Generates meaning and action..."(IO) Emphasizes skills and practices applied in support of exploring and building? [[see the grid; e.g., both password practices & 'participating in web communities']]
Questions:
Doug - Would "meaning" be better placed at a meta-level?
Dave? - Does Connecting include practices, skills that support both building and exploring?
Notes:
http://viz-up-the-world.blogspot.ca/2010/01/further-interpretation-for-visual.html
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Learning/WebLiteracyStandard/ScratchPad
Behaviours, skills, attitudes, knowledge
==================================================================
4) DIGGING (FURTHER!) INTO THE COMPETENCIES (scroll down for activity)
We want to start describing the competencies
Original grid: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Learning/WebLiteracies
New, 'straw man' grid: http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2013/04/02/web-literacy-standard-a-modest-proposal-weblitstd/
NEW, new 'wooden non-gender specific' grid: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Learning/WebLiteracyStandard/ScratchPad
***ACTIVITY***
How can we best describe the competencies?
EXPLORING
Browser skills
(e.g.) Using Web browser functionality to access and understand online content
Understanding the elements of a browser, e.g., search bar
Searching Can't this go under Browser skills? Maybe make it searching/sifting...or mix it into crap detection down below (IO)
[might call it out explicitly, as the tools of a browser are things like plugins/view source; search is a bit different, e.g. web mediated -- although a search bar is now built into web browsers]
Crap detection Is this really an issue of "Validation" Yes, or 'credibility' (which is what it was called last week ;-) Distinguishing good and bad info online (CL) Critical Evaluation of Online Information...credibility and relevance (IO) we also framed it as "healthy skepticism of online info" in talks (IO)
Using tools, practices and prior knowledge to assess content quality, credibility and applicability (?)
Would then include (for ex) using Whois, viewing source, weighing for bias, etc Think of this as applying critical thinking skills to finding information online. Agree it's similar to searching (DG)
Diana: 'Verification'?
Go back to 'assessing credibility'?
Evaluation? Evaluating?+1
GIGO? :-)
Remixing
- comprehending, synthesizing, remixing (IO)aggregating?
Web mechanics does navigation fall under this? I'd say under Browser SkillsAgreed Browser & Web mechanics (IO)
Viewing source; using 'under the hood' (Doug)
Privacy
Applying tools and practices to manage the sharing of personal information
Cookies, profile security, proxies
BUILDING
Accessibilty
orientation (knowing where you are)
Ah - note potential overlap w/ UI/UX
HTML
A set of fundamental skills applied to read and write the basic structures of content that builds a web page
Examples: headers, meta information, title, image, media, div structure, javascript (below) interplay; classes and styles (below)
what about labeling this with a pronoun? (not a proper noun) "web architecture" or "content building", maybe?
CSS
A set of skills to apply styles to structures of the Web
UI/UX aspects of Web design - more generic version could be"Design" or "Design for People" (CB) - Design will always be part of this.
Competencies required to build web pages that promote efficient use and ease the acquisition of the information or content provided (for ex)
including disability access, color blindness, etc
User research/testing (CB)+1
Design thinking - it's a loaded/disputed term, but important (CB)
Coding/scripting
Coding with others (commenting, etc) (CB)
Infrastructure
Understanding/Creating/managing databases (CB)?
Understanding/Creating/Managing web servers (CB)?
make sure we keep in relatively "low-level" skills such as "noticing and naming" of markers of online info for beginning online readers (IO)
CONNECTING
Sharing via social networks
Using bookmarklets, browser extensions and other tools to share content and creations to social networks.
Thinking about immediate and extended (later in time, when content is re-shared) audience (CB)
curating, creating, then constructing (IO)
Netiquette Learning the do's and don't of respectable online behavior (DG)
Respecting others' privacy and not doing anything online that will embarrass, irritate or upset other people (CL)
Participating in Web communities
Participating in web communities (CB)
Helping others to participate in web communities (CB)
Introducing to web communities, e.g., do all users know that mailing lists exist (and are valuable?)
Using collaborative tools
collaboratively writing and constructing online texts (IO)
changes in writing process as per new digital texts and tools (IO)
negotiation of individual & group roles in work process & product (IO)
Security/encryption
how much of this plays into netiquette? Is there a way to weave this with privacy, and netiquette (IO)I'm not sure it is quite the same, it seems to be related more to managing your presence - what to reveal, what to connect to... awarenss of the spectrum of hardware, software and human components of online security (JLE)
also related to https: (secure browsing), wifi encryption, basic practices for keeping tcp/ip signals safe when browsing from Starbucks (or some other trendy cafe!) :o) Yes - agreed! (JLE)
Open practices
sharing openly online (IO)
providing open documentation of thinking processes to assist others (IO)
providing open access to resources, digital texts, and tools for all users globally...some people might not have the means (e.g., finances) to access these resources...need to provide open access (IO)
Creative Commons -- understanding various forms for publishing and sharing content (digital texts, writing, as Ian relates) +1
Questions / suggestions:
Explicating the difference b/t Accessibility and UI/UX
And between Browser Mechanics and Browser Skills
Roz: HTML to 'building blocks of the Web' "building block language/code"?
Roz: CSS to 'styling the Web'? (remove UI/UX) building styles? building characteristics?
christian briggs
Apr 8, 2013, 12:15:20 PM4/8/13
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Thanks, Carla. Given the Mozilla ethos, i had a feeling this would be the answer, but i just wanted to be sure. With this in mind, the answer to Doug's earlier question "Is this something with which people can align?" i think is an emphatic "yes."
I love the metaphor of a github for web literacy!
I love the metaphor of a github for web literacy!
Brett Gaylor
Apr 8, 2013, 7:39:47 PM4/8/13
to Mozilla Webmaker list
Im wondering if folks besides me are not seeing the original thread in many of these follow up emails? These all seem related to the web lit standard stuff, but I'm seeing a lot of emails that refer to discussions not in the thread - is this a digest issue or a particular news reader that is causing this?
Brett
On 2013-04-08, at 9:15 AM, christian briggs wrote:
> Thanks, Carla. Given the Mozilla ethos, i had a feeling this would be the answer, but i just wanted to be sure. With this in mind, the answer to Doug's earlier question "Is this something with which people can align?" i think is an emphatic "yes."
>
> I love the metaphor of a github for web literacy!
> _______________________________________________
> webmaker mailing list
> webm...@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/webmaker
Brett
On 2013-04-08, at 9:15 AM, christian briggs wrote:
> Thanks, Carla. Given the Mozilla ethos, i had a feeling this would be the answer, but i just wanted to be sure. With this in mind, the answer to Doug's earlier question "Is this something with which people can align?" i think is an emphatic "yes."
>
> I love the metaphor of a github for web literacy!
> webmaker mailing list
> webm...@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/webmaker
Doug Belshaw
Apr 9, 2013, 7:02:55 AM4/9/13
to Mozilla Webmaker list
Hi Brett,
Are you viewing this in your inbox or a news reader? I gave up doing that after a while and just go directly to the Google Group these days!
Try this link: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.webmaker/QCAqgItkKqs
Are you viewing this in your inbox or a news reader? I gave up doing that after a while and just go directly to the Google Group these days!
Try this link: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.webmaker/QCAqgItkKqs
Doug Belshaw
Apr 9, 2013, 7:02:55 AM4/9/13
to mozilla....@googlegroups.com, Mozilla Webmaker list
Hi Brett,
Are you viewing this in your inbox or a news reader? I gave up doing that after a while and just go directly to the Google Group these days!
Try this link: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.webmaker/QCAqgItkKqs
Are you viewing this in your inbox or a news reader? I gave up doing that after a while and just go directly to the Google Group these days!
Try this link: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.webmaker/QCAqgItkKqs
christian briggs
Apr 9, 2013, 10:54:32 AM4/9/13
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Also (and related to Brett's question) i don't seem to receive email updates from this list for some reason, even after leaving the group/rejoining. I do receive emails from the OpenBadges group though.
Doug Belshaw
Apr 9, 2013, 11:17:02 AM4/9/13
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This week's call recording is now available: http://weblitstd.tumblr.com/post/47535430945/weekly-community-call-8th-april-2013-in
Ian O'Byrne
Apr 9, 2013, 2:37:38 PM4/9/13
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Hi all,
The Google Doc to use in editing and revising is available here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cauba_CtIUpk180Y-eiQyOhxVGufA5lvFszYCeZelFI/edit?usp=sharing
Please feel free to edit as you see fit. The document is public to anyone with the link. You should be able to edit without signing in. Please tease it apart to make it easier to understand/review. Please also indicate what revisions and comments you have made to the document in case gDocs doesn't make this know.
Thanks in advance - Ian
The Google Doc to use in editing and revising is available here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cauba_CtIUpk180Y-eiQyOhxVGufA5lvFszYCeZelFI/edit?usp=sharing
Please feel free to edit as you see fit. The document is public to anyone with the link. You should be able to edit without signing in. Please tease it apart to make it easier to understand/review. Please also indicate what revisions and comments you have made to the document in case gDocs doesn't make this know.
Thanks in advance - Ian
christian briggs
Apr 10, 2013, 11:20:05 AM4/10/13
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da...@plml.org
Apr 11, 2013, 2:28:13 PM4/11/13
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Awesome, thanks Ian! I'm in there, commenting (hope y'all can see the comments)...
Carla Casilli, Badge System Design Lead
Apr 11, 2013, 9:43:31 PM4/11/13
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Hey all,
Great work in there. Editing that document is a bit of work, though. :/ However, that didn't prevent me from dropping in some thoughts.
It's worth noting that there can be uneven numbers of competencies and skills across strands. And it's perhaps more accurate to do so in the long run. Along those lines, I'm not sure that we've addressed the question of the semantic web anywhere in the lists.
Which brings me around to this question: what about the larger theoretical discussion of the web? Where does that fit in? We've focused pretty heavily on tactical and concrete representations but what about the larger conversations that surround the future of the web, e.g., the future of the semantic web, the debate regarding the web vs. apps, or the import of affordances brought about by new tools like google glass? They don't fit too neatly anywhere here.
We've moved from a fairly specific approach to a much larger worldview. Perhaps now we also need a "theory" portion in this series? Right now, the most likely place seems to be under Exploring.
Thoughts?
Carla
Great work in there. Editing that document is a bit of work, though. :/ However, that didn't prevent me from dropping in some thoughts.
It's worth noting that there can be uneven numbers of competencies and skills across strands. And it's perhaps more accurate to do so in the long run. Along those lines, I'm not sure that we've addressed the question of the semantic web anywhere in the lists.
Which brings me around to this question: what about the larger theoretical discussion of the web? Where does that fit in? We've focused pretty heavily on tactical and concrete representations but what about the larger conversations that surround the future of the web, e.g., the future of the semantic web, the debate regarding the web vs. apps, or the import of affordances brought about by new tools like google glass? They don't fit too neatly anywhere here.
We've moved from a fairly specific approach to a much larger worldview. Perhaps now we also need a "theory" portion in this series? Right now, the most likely place seems to be under Exploring.
Thoughts?
Carla
Doug Belshaw
Apr 13, 2013, 12:51:22 AM4/13/13
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FYI the version of the grid I'll be presenting on Monday 17th's community call can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougbelshaw/8643744455/ :-)
Jacob Caggiano
Apr 13, 2013, 7:04:45 AM4/13/13
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I apologize if it's too late to bring this up, and I realize I haven't been actively participating in shaping the web literacy standard, but here it goes anyway.
I'm wondering why it was decided to get rid of the "protecting/safeguarding" strand.
Exploring // Sharing // Connecting all make sense, but it feels incomplete to not include something that addresses stewardship of the web itself.
I still thinking protecting/safeguarding is important enough to be its own strand in regards to the many issues of personal security, but beyond that, there's also safeguarding the web as an open ecosystem. This means understanding policy decisions and acronyms like SOPA, CISPA, ACTA, ITU, etc. as well as issues of net neutrality, censorship, and perhaps how they can clash with things like online bullying and harassment.
If you've ever followed the work of Jillian York, Rebecca MacKinnon, or Ethan Zuckerman, or groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation, you'll see there's a lot to understand in this realm.
I like to think of the web as a breathing, thriving ecosystem, that has been rapidly developed into a global city, which means there are issues that are not unlike the many environmental issues we face in our actual ecosystem.
Maybe this can be tucked into "connecting" like some of the other security issues have been, but the word "connecting" doesn't seem to encapsulate the big picture concept of protecting the web just like ever other important global resource needs protection.
Anyways, just wanted to get that out there, not trying to derail the great work you're doing, just an opinion that I wanted to express but wasn't quite sure how.
Best,
Jacob
I'm wondering why it was decided to get rid of the "protecting/safeguarding" strand.
Exploring // Sharing // Connecting all make sense, but it feels incomplete to not include something that addresses stewardship of the web itself.
I still thinking protecting/safeguarding is important enough to be its own strand in regards to the many issues of personal security, but beyond that, there's also safeguarding the web as an open ecosystem. This means understanding policy decisions and acronyms like SOPA, CISPA, ACTA, ITU, etc. as well as issues of net neutrality, censorship, and perhaps how they can clash with things like online bullying and harassment.
If you've ever followed the work of Jillian York, Rebecca MacKinnon, or Ethan Zuckerman, or groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation, you'll see there's a lot to understand in this realm.
I like to think of the web as a breathing, thriving ecosystem, that has been rapidly developed into a global city, which means there are issues that are not unlike the many environmental issues we face in our actual ecosystem.
Maybe this can be tucked into "connecting" like some of the other security issues have been, but the word "connecting" doesn't seem to encapsulate the big picture concept of protecting the web just like ever other important global resource needs protection.
Anyways, just wanted to get that out there, not trying to derail the great work you're doing, just an opinion that I wanted to express but wasn't quite sure how.
Best,
Jacob
Carla Casilli, Badge System Design Lead
Apr 14, 2013, 12:42:52 AM4/14/13
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Hey Doug, to be clear, by "theory" I'm suggesting addressing questions of the internet as a whole to git under one of the strands, not suggesting that we add another strand. The strands are verb based but the grid that falls under those strands are primarily nouns. And as I suggested, one possible place for that is under Exploring.
C.
C.
Carla Casilli, Badge System Design Lead
Apr 14, 2013, 12:47:41 AM4/14/13
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Jacob,
The best place to introduce this question might be on the google doc created by the group and mentioned by Ian below. If you read through that, you'll see that questions of protection are addressed in different areas throughout the document, particularly under Privacy and in Connecting under Open Practices.
Actually, I'd suggest if anyone has not yet had a look at that document that you get in there and read through it. Doug has been using it roughly to develop the grid but things get shifted around and don't necessarily appear on the grid (one of the problems of relying on a relatively simple grid to communicate nuanced information).
You can find it here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cauba_CtIUpk180Y-eiQyOhxVGufA5lvFszYCeZelFI/edit?usp=sharing
Carla
The best place to introduce this question might be on the google doc created by the group and mentioned by Ian below. If you read through that, you'll see that questions of protection are addressed in different areas throughout the document, particularly under Privacy and in Connecting under Open Practices.
Actually, I'd suggest if anyone has not yet had a look at that document that you get in there and read through it. Doug has been using it roughly to develop the grid but things get shifted around and don't necessarily appear on the grid (one of the problems of relying on a relatively simple grid to communicate nuanced information).
You can find it here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cauba_CtIUpk180Y-eiQyOhxVGufA5lvFszYCeZelFI/edit?usp=sharing
Carla
Carla Casilli, Badge System Design Lead
Apr 14, 2013, 12:47:41 AM4/14/13
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Roz Hussin
Apr 14, 2013, 12:48:35 AM4/14/13
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> On Friday, April 12, 2013 11:51:22 PM UTC-5, Doug Belshaw wrote:
> FYI the version of the grid I'll be presenting on Monday 17th's community call can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougbelshaw/8643744455/ :-)
Doug,
> FYI the version of the grid I'll be presenting on Monday 17th's community call can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougbelshaw/8643744455/ :-)
I like the new layout, especially since the scale of the boxes imply importance.
Also, the placement of "infrastructure" and "Web design & accessibility" which sandwiches "JavaScript, HTML and CSS" produces a Gestalt effect, almost as if the three building blocks are embodied within the first two parameters.
Similarly, "collaboration, community participation and privacy" are competencies within the larger boundaries of "open practices" and "remixing" and "sharing".
Lastly, "credibility, search and security" seem to be supported by the larger fundamental competencies of "web mechanics and browser skills".
I'm not sure if this "Gestalt" interpretation of hierarchy and dependency was intended, but, as a visual person, I just thought I'd share my perception.
Looking forward to the meeting on Monday. BTW, your message said Monday the 17th? I thought Monday is the 15th?
Roz
Doug Belshaw
Apr 15, 2013, 4:23:54 AM4/15/13
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Thanks for the feedback. Yes, Monday is the 15th - my mistake. :-)
Roz Hussin
Apr 15, 2013, 10:15:08 AM4/15/13
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On Monday, April 15, 2013 3:23:54 AM UTC-5, Doug Belshaw wrote:
> Hi Roz,
> Thanks for the feedback. Yes, Monday is the 15th - my mistake. :-)
Doug,
> Hi Roz,
> Thanks for the feedback. Yes, Monday is the 15th - my mistake. :-)
Sorry to be a pain, but what is the URL and Skype number to call today? I seem to have lost the link somewhere. Could you post it again? Thanks in advance.
Roz
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