Styled text as part of signature

[Tiger]

I would like an automatically-added signature (tools-accounts-account
name-signature text) to work as follows:

1) have my name/signoff appear *ABOVE* the signature separator line
(i.e. "Best regards, John Doe")

2) have my name written in the same font and format (styled text by
default) as the rest of the message text


So what I've done is remove the automatically added signature separator
(http://kb.mozillazine.org/Signatures_%28Thunderbird%29) by going to the
Config editor, selecting
"mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator" and changing it to
TRUE.

Then I added the signature (i.e. a joke, saying, my homepage etc.) below
it and manually entered the signature separator as part of my entire
signature (but this time where *I* wanted to put it), like this:


Best regards,
John Doe
--

A joke is a very serious thing -Winston Churchill




The problem is that the upper part of the signature ("Best regards, John
Doe") comes up as plain text while my actual email content is in styled
text (I have my "Send options" (Preferences-Composition-General-Send
options") set to "Send messages in plain text if possible" along with
"Ask me what to do") which is very irritating.

So... is there a way to make the upper part of my signature appear just
as if it was written by me, but still have it automatically added?





--
T.

[Tiger]

On 16/03/18 01:38, Good Guy wrote:

> On 15/03/2018 23:20, Tiger wrote:

>> The problem is that the upper part of the signature ("Best regards,
>> John Doe") comes up as plain text while my actual email content is in
>> styled text (I have my "Send options"

> Please post what you have already done so that we can suggest changes to
> it to get what you want.  Without seeing your work, we can't understand
> what exactly you are looking for.

That's strange.... I did actually post what I've done, but perhaps my
posting only came halfway through because I included an example which
included the separator (but taking care not to include a space at the
end: "dash-dash-space" being the usual separator). I'll include a copy
of my initial posting below (but with the separator edited away).


> You do realize that to get what you want will require you to create an
> HTML signature and send the emails as HTML.  Without HTML no styles!!!

I wasn't aware of the need to create an HTML signature in order to send
HTML messages, but of course that makes total sense!
The thing is however that my messages don't start off as HTML, or at
least I think they don't until I deliberately turn something into bold,
underlined, italic etc.
If I write a message *without* deliberately making anything styled
(bold, underlined etc.) I get to send the message right away when
pressing the "Send" button. But if I do style parts of the text and
press "Send" I'm first asked if I want to convert it into plain text
before sending, send as HTML anyway or send it as both plain text and HTML.

Here's an example of what I mean:
I press on the "write" button to create a new message, which gives me a
blank page with the signature at the bottom. The signature is shown in a
greyed out fixed-width font.
If I start typing, the new text comes out in a completely different
font. If I mark/select this text I see (at the top section of the
window) that it's "Body text" and "Variable width". But if I
select/highlight part of the signature it says "Preformat" and "Fixed
width".

Now, if I go to the first line above the signature and press the DELETE
key, that first part of the signature jumps up and immediately turns
into the same type of text as the rest of the message (Body
text/Variable width) and makes everything a total mess if I try to put
it back where it was by pressing the RETURN key above it.

OK, that said, here's my initial posting, but with the signature
separator replaced with ____ so it won't cause any problems as it seemed
to be doing:

I would like an automatically-added signature (tools-accounts-account
name-signature text) to work as follows:

1) have my name/signoff appear *ABOVE* the signature separator line
(i.e. "Best regards, John Doe")

2) have my name written in the same font and format (styled text by
default) as the rest of the message text


So what I've done is remove the automatically added signature separator
(http://kb.mozillazine.org/Signatures_%28Thunderbird%29) by going to the
Config editor, selecting
"mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator" and changing it to
TRUE.

Then I added the signature (i.e. a joke, saying, my homepage etc.) below
it and manually entered the signature separator as part of my entire
signature (but this time where *I* wanted to put it), like this:


Best regards,
John Doe

____

[Tiger]

On 16/03/18 03:00, Good Guy wrote:
> I forgot to tell you that to see the changes I am suggesting, you need
> to read my posts in HTML format.  To do that go to:
>
> View >> Message Body as >> Original HTML

Yes, my TB is already set up that way and I can see your postings as HTML.




T.

[Tiger]

On 16/03/18 02:44, Good Guy wrote:

Is something like this good for you?

Best regards,
John Doe

A joke is a very serious thing -Winston Churchill

I'm not sure what you mean.
Are you suggesting that I create the signature in HTML, with the "best regards..." part in styled text while "A joke is a very serious thing..." below the separator should be defined as "fixed width"?

I haven't tried it yet, but with the signature being in HTML I would assume I'd *always* be alerted prior to sending if I want to send it as HTML or plain text. Or would it act in much the same way as the rest of the message (only getting an alert *if* I style parts of the message itself?

PS. I wasn't even aware that you could post anything in Usenet newsgroups as HTML, but apparently they can (as I can see from your postings). To quote your signature suggestion properly I therefore heldt down SHIFT while clicking on the "Reply" button. without holding down SHIFT (i.e. just clicking on "reply") I would be quoting and replying as plain text.


--

T.

[B00ze]

On 2018-03-15 19:20, Tiger <vo...@none.none> wrote:

> I would like an automatically-added signature (tools-accounts-account
> name-signature text) to work as follows:
>
> 1) have my name/signoff appear *ABOVE* the signature separator line
> (i.e. "Best regards, John Doe")
>
> 2) have my name written in the same font and format (styled text by
> default) as the rest of the message text
>
>
> So what I've done is remove the automatically added signature separator

So far so good...

> The problem is that the upper part of the signature ("Best regards, John
> Doe") comes up as plain text while my actual email content is in styled
> text (I have my "Send options" (Preferences-Composition-General-Send
> options") set to "Send messages in plain text if possible" along with
> "Ask me what to do") which is very irritating.
>
> So... is there a way to make the upper part of my signature appear just
> as if it was written by me, but still have it automatically added?

Look for Signature addOns on Addons.mozilla.org,
something like Signature Switch can insert HTML signatures...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/signature-switch/

Regards,

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[David E. Ross]

NOTE WELL: The separator is dash-dash-SPACE, not merely dash-dash.

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<http://www.rossde.com/>

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to hear your voice and see you talking. We need to know
when your message is really your own and not your attorney's.

[Tiger]

On 16/03/18 03:18, Good Guy wrote:

> OK the code to insert in the Signature box in TB is this:
>
>> Best regards,<br />
>> John Doe <br /> <br />
>> <span style="font-family:'Courier New', Courier, monospace;
>> font-size:small; border-top: thin red dashed;">A joke is a very
>> serious thing -Winston Churchill</span>

OK, that looks fine.
Naturally that creates a styled (HTML) message right from the start, so
every time I send it I'm asked if I really want it sent as HTML, or
plain text or both (I'm a bit "old school" as I'm used to *not* sending
HTML as a general rule of the thumb although things have changed in
later years -still I try only to send in HTML if I really need to style
the text).

OK, this works (I removed the automatically added separator and instead
added one between my name and the funny quote) but to get the best of
both worlds....
is it possible to add a signature this way and have it display in the
same format as the message text (body text/variable) but *without*
defaulting to sending it as HTML (unless I deliberately style any of the
text)?

I haven't tried going to the Preferences-Composition-General-HTML menu
yet, and suspect that I might be able to get rid of the formatting mess
(i.e. if I press BACKSPACE from teh line above the signature) if I
change this to "Fixed width" (instead of "Variable width" as it is now),
but that'll be a pain to see when I compose new messages or reply.
Is there another way?


T.

[Chris Ramsden]

On 15/03/18 23:20, Tiger wrote:
> I would like an automatically-added signature (tools-accounts-account name-signature text) to work as follows:
>
> 1) have my name/signoff appear *ABOVE* the signature separator line (i.e. "Best regards, John Doe")
>
> 2) have my name written in the same font and format (styled text by default) as the rest of the message text
>

> <snip>
So it is no longer a signature as understood by most of us and our mail/news clients. You will break any form of automatic clean-up that relies on the presence of the dash-dash-space construction.
--
Chris

[Tanstaafl]

On Thu Mar 15 2018 21:22:40 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Tiger

<vo...@none.none> wrote:
> I wasn't aware of the need to create an HTML signature in order to send
> HTML messages, but of course that makes total sense!

Actually, it doesn't. You can use a plain text signature with an HTML email.

> The thing is however that my messages don't start off as HTML, or at
> least I think they don't until I deliberately turn something into bold,
> underlined, italic etc.

What is Tools > Account Settings > Account > Composition & Addressing >
Composition mode set to?

If it is set to HTML, then you are composing in HTML whether you style
anything or not.

> If I write a message *without* deliberately making anything styled
> (bold, underlined etc.) I get to send the message right away when
> pressing the "Send" button. But if I do style parts of the text and
> press "Send" I'm first asked if I want to convert it into plain text
> before sending, send as HTML anyway or send it as both plain text and HTML.

Play with Tools > Options > Composition > Configure text format to get
the behavior you want...

> Now, if I go to the first line above the signature and press the DELETE
> key, that first part of the signature jumps up and immediately turns
> into the same type of text as the rest of the message (Body
> text/Variable width) and makes everything a total mess if I try to put
> it back where it was by pressing the RETURN key above it.

This is due to the long standing HTML Composer bugs that are not easily
fixed.

Don't go to the line immediately above it, go to TWO lines above it.

> The problem is that the upper part of the signature ("Best regards, John
> Doe") comes up as plain text while my actual email content is in styled
> text (I have my "Send options" (Preferences-Composition-General-Send
> options") set to "Send messages in plain text if possible" along with
> "Ask me what to do") which is very irritating.

You can fix that by adjusting the Composition Options settings above.

> So... is there a way to make the upper part of my signature appear just
> as if it was written by me, but still have it automatically added?

You should be able to since you are suppressing the separator, by adding
the separator in the signature itself where you want it.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message
<mailman.197.1521213760....@lists.mozilla.org>,

Tanstaafl <tans...@libertytrek.org> writes:
>On Thu Mar 15 2018 21:22:40 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Tiger
><vo...@none.none> wrote:

[]

>> The thing is however that my messages don't start off as HTML, or at
>> least I think they don't until I deliberately turn something into bold,
>> underlined, italic etc.

[]
I think if you have a toolbar with bold, underlined, italic etc.
buttons, and they aren't greyed out, you are composing in HTML (or rich
text, or other), even if you don't _use_ them. If you are truly working
in plain text, there should _be_ no such toolbar, or at least all its
buttons should be greyed.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... she has never contracted A-listeria or developed airs and graces. Kathy
Lette on Kylie, RT 2014/1/11-17

[Tiger]

On 17/03/18 04:58, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

>> On Thu Mar 15 2018 21:22:40 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Tiger
>> <vo...@none.none> wrote:
> []
>>> The thing is however that my messages don't start off as HTML, or at
>>> least I think they don't until I deliberately turn something into bold,
>>> underlined, italic etc.
> []
> I think if you have a toolbar with bold, underlined, italic etc.
> buttons, and they aren't greyed out, you are composing in HTML (or rich
> text, or other), even if you don't _use_ them. If you are truly working
> in plain text, there should _be_ no such toolbar, or at least all its
> buttons should be greyed.

Not in my experience.
I just turned off the "HTML" option of my signature, removed the HTML
tags, thus creating a plain-text signature, then composed a new email
adressed to myself as a test.

The bold, italic etc. buttons are all there and *not* greyed out, so I
wrote a small message but *without* selecting any of those functions,
and sent it. There was no alert about it being written in HTML and when
I received it I chose "View"-"Message source" which proved it wasn't
written in HTML.

Likewise I did a similar test, but this time I made something bold and
underlined. I was alerted the message was written in HTML before
sending, so I allowed it to be sent as HTML which the "Message source"
confirmed.


--
T.

[WaltS48]

A user composing in HTML can use View > Toolbars from the composition windows menu bar and disable the Formatting, Composition and Status bars.

The user can also go into their account settings and remove the check mark for, "Compose messages in HTML format" under Composition & Addressing to disable all the toolbars in the composition window.

WaltS48
Thunderbird Support Crew

-- 
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National Popular Vote <http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/>
Ubuntu 16.04LTS - Unity Desktop

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message
<mailman.203.1521295375....@lists.mozilla.org>,

OK - sorry, my error.

>
>A user composing in HTML can use View > Toolbars from the composition
>windows menu bar and disable the Formatting, Composition and Status
>bars.
>

If he does that, is the message still flagged as HTML (e. g. at least
containing <HTML> and </HTML>, and <P> or <BR> at newlines, even if no
other tags)?

>The user can also go into their account settings and remove the check
>mark for, "Compose messages in HTML format" under Composition &
>Addressing to disable all the toolbars in the composition window.
>
>
>WaltS48
>Thunderbird Support Crew
--

J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I can prove anything with statistics - except the truth.

[WaltS48]

If the user does that, they still get the message flagged as HTMl. They
just can't use the toolbars.

[Tiger]

On 16/03/18 11:44, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On Thu Mar 15 2018 21:22:40 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Tiger
> <vo...@none.none> wrote:

>> If I write a message *without* deliberately making anything styled
>> (bold, underlined etc.) I get to send the message right away when
>> pressing the "Send" button. But if I do style parts of the text and
>> press "Send" I'm first asked if I want to convert it into plain text
>> before sending, send as HTML anyway or send it as both plain text and HTML.
>
> Play with Tools > Options > Composition > Configure text format to get
> the behavior you want...

Yes, I know, but this is the option I want.
Like I said earlier, I'm "old school" and I was taught that email and
news should be in plain text. Since back in the day though, HTML in mail
has become more common due to unlimited high speed networks etc. and I
find it handy sometimes, but try to keep to plain text most of the time.

By the way, on the Mac version of TB (which I'm on) it's located in
"Thunderbird"-"Preferences"-"Composition"-"Send options".

>> Now, if I go to the first line above the signature and press the DELETE
>> key, that first part of the signature jumps up and immediately turns
>> into the same type of text as the rest of the message (Body
>> text/Variable width) and makes everything a total mess if I try to put
>> it back where it was by pressing the RETURN key above it.
>
> This is due to the long standing HTML Composer bugs that are not easily
> fixed.
>
> Don't go to the line immediately above it, go to TWO lines above it.

Good point!
But it's very frustrating when I do go to the line above it. You say
this bug isn't easily fixed -is this something the developers are still
looking into, or have they just accepted it as a shortcoming that's here
to stay?



--
T.

[Tiger]

I'm not sure I understand.
As long as I have a signature separator which consist of dash-dash-space
(and the rest of the line blank) it shouldn't matter if the separator is
created automatically by TB, inserted as part of the signature itself
(after disabling the automatic insertion so I don't get it twice) or if
I manually enter a separator?



--
T.

[Tiger]

On 16/03/18 03:30, B00ze wrote:

> Look for Signature addOns on Addons.mozilla.org,
> something like Signature Switch can insert HTML signatures...
>
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/signature-switch/

Thanks. I'll look into that.

Unless the above doesn't add a solution and I haven't misunderstood or
skipped any of the suggestions in this thread I conclude that I either

1) need to put both the greeting ("Best regards, John Doe") and the
signature itself (a joke, homepage URL etc.) in the actual signature
separated with a "dash-dash-space" separator above it all (either as
part of the signature at the first line, or automatically generated by
TB), or

2) create an HTML signature with the greeting at the top (defined as
body text/Variable width), a separator, then the signature (joke,
homepage URL etc.)



> Regards,
>

or (3)... do as you've done: put the greeting and joke/homepage URL etc.
under each other with the separator above it all.


--
T.

[Caver1]

Take a look at Signature Switch.

--
Caver1

[Chris Ramsden]

+1 for that add-on. Note that (IIRC) it allows the user to set up both plain text and html flavours of their signature, automatically choosing which of the two is appropriate.

Thunderbird documentation claims that it will do this by itself, i.e. without help from any add-ons, but in my experience it makes a mess if given an html signature and then attempts to render it as plain text.

However, do take note that this add-on relies on the dash-dash-space convention to identify what is considered a signature. Your choice to break with this standard practice means this won't work for you.

If you want to play fast and loose with convention, I'd suggest you abandon any attempt to coerce your particular formulation of a signature into a regular signature, and instead use a template or the Stationery add-on to pre-format your non-standard layout
--
Chris

[Tiger]

On 17/03/18 21:57, Caver1 wrote:

> Take a look at Signature Switch.

Tried it, only to be told that it's not compatible with my TB verson.
I'm using version 52.6.0. (64-bit) on Mac OSX.
TB tells me "Thunderbird is up to date".


T.

[Tiger]

On 17/03/18 22:52, Chris Ramsden wrote:

> However, do take note that this add-on relies on the dash-dash-space convention to identify what is considered a signature. Your choice to break with this standard practice means this won't work for you.

You keep saying that, but I've never strayed away from that signature
separator convention. Why do you say that?

I did post an example earlier in this thread where I substituted it (for
the sake of the example) with something else, but clearly stated that,
because "Good guy" claimed I hadn't included an example, which I indeed
had. So I assumed the signature separator had cut off my example, hence
the substitution (in the example).


--
T.

[Chris Ramsden]

My understanding of the use of a signature is as described in Wikipedia:

"An email signature is a block of text appended to the end of an email message often containing the sender's name, address, phone number, disclaimer or other contact information."

If I have understood your description of your intentions, you are choosing to place your name outside the signature.

The RFC also discusses signatures in the context of plain text, yet you're talking about "styled text as part of signature."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676

--
Chris

[Chris Ramsden]

On 17/03/18 20:17, Tiger wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand.
> As long as I have a signature separator which consist of dash-dash-space (and the rest of the line blank) it shouldn't matter if the separator is created automatically by TB, inserted as part of the signature itself (after disabling the automatic insertion so I don't get it twice) or if I manually enter a separator?

You said:

> 1) have my name/signoff appear *ABOVE* the signature separator line (i.e. "Best regards, John Doe")

Most of us take the signature to *be* the name and signoff. You're trying to separate out these from what you idiosyncratically consider to be a signature.
--
Chris.

[Tiger]

OK, I understand what you're saying now.

Yes, *technically* I will be separating the name/signoff as part of the
signature. Let me explain it this way:

Normally I have a signature added automatically *after my entire
message* which consists of a joke, saying, homepage URL etc. with a
separator (dash-dash-space) above it.
As part of the email message itself I manually write my name/signoff at
the end.

I was hoping I could save myself some typing by *all* of the above added
automatically in TB.


--
T.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message
<mailman.5.1521398620.17...@lists.mozilla.org>,
Tiger <vo...@none.none> writes:
[]

>OK, I understand what you're saying now.
>
>Yes, *technically* I will be separating the name/signoff as part of the
>signature. Let me explain it this way:
>
>Normally I have a signature added automatically *after my entire
>message* which consists of a joke, saying, homepage URL etc. with a
>separator (dash-dash-space) above it.
>As part of the email message itself I manually write my name/signoff at
>the end.
>
>I was hoping I could save myself some typing by *all* of the above
>added automatically in TB.
>
>

We got that. We were just a little puzzled as to _why_ you want to put
your name above the separator. After all, the reason for the separator
is so that when someone replies to an email, or posts a followup to a
post, their software - if of the better kind - will automatically remove
it from the reply or followup (you don't need your signature quoted back
at you: you know what it says!). The same applies to your name - you
don't need _that_ quoted back at you, either; but if it's above the
separator, it will be, or people would have to delete it manually. So
you'd be causing _others_ some unnecessary typing.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Know what happens when you don't pay your exorcist?
You get repossessed!
- Randle Brashear, 2015-8-9

[Caver1]

Add all of the above to your signature file except maybe the joke which
may change from time to time. The use Signature Switch to add your jokes
to the signature. With Signature Switch you can have many individual
files that you can add at your choosing.

--
Caver1

[Tiger]

On 18/03/18 21:35, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> In message
> <mailman.5.1521398620.17...@lists.mozilla.org>,
> Tiger <vo...@none.none> writes:

>> I was hoping I could save myself some typing by *all* of the above
>> added automatically in TB.
>>
>>
> We got that. We were just a little puzzled as to _why_ you want to put
> your name above the separator.

Just to make life easier :-)

> After all, the reason for the separator
> is so that when someone replies to an email, or posts a followup to a
> post, their software - if of the better kind - will automatically remove
> it from the reply or followup (you don't need your signature quoted back
> at you: you know what it says!). The same applies to your name - you
> don't need _that_ quoted back at you, either; but if it's above the
> separator, it will be, or people would have to delete it manually. So
> you'd be causing _others_ some unnecessary typing.

Good point!
I forgot all about that, and definitely something worth considering.

Hmmm.... as a compromise I guess the best way for everybody is to put it
all below the separator with a couple of empty lines between the
greeting/name and the URL/joke/saying etc.


--
T.

[Tiger]

On 18/03/18 21:58, Caver1 wrote:

> Add all of the above to your signature file except maybe the joke which
> may change from time to time. The use Signature Switch to add your jokes
> to the signature. With Signature Switch you can have many individual
> files that you can add at your choosing.

Sounds like a nice tool, but it appears only to work with earlier
versions of TB and not mine.

Looks like the conclusion is the simple solution: just edit the existing
signature and include the name/signoff there as well.
I'll do some more testing and see how it all looks with an HTML message
as well as one in plain text.


--
T.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message
<mailman.12.1521413047.1...@lists.mozilla.org>,

Tiger <vo...@none.none> writes:
>On 18/03/18 21:35, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]

>>_that_ quoted back at you, either; but if it's above the separator,
>>it will be, or people would have to delete it manually. So you'd be
>>causing _others_ some unnecessary typing.
>
>Good point!
>I forgot all about that, and definitely something worth considering.
>
>Hmmm.... as a compromise I guess the best way for everybody is to put
>it all below the separator with a couple of empty lines between the
>greeting/name and the URL/joke/saying etc.
>
>

That's what I do. (I have an ancient - DOS! - utility that changes the
joke or quote, combining it with the fixed line, putting the combined
text file where my email prog. points for its signature.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A sleekzorp without a tornpee is like a quop without a fertsneet (sort of).

[Ormail]

In article
<mailman.12.1521413047.1...@lists.mozilla.org>,
Tiger <vo...@none.none> wrote:

[Snip]

> Good point!
> I forgot all about that, and definitely something worth considering.

> Hmmm.... as a compromise I guess the best way for everybody is to put it
> all below the separator with a couple of empty lines between the
> greeting/name and the URL/joke/saying etc.

As an old fart in both physical age and amount of time net connected,
reading this thread it becomes apparent that signature netiquette is being
forgotten these days...

Dor

[Ed Mullen]

On 3/15/2018 at 7:20 PM, Tiger created this epitome of digital genius:

> I would like an automatically-added signature (tools-accounts-account
> name-signature text) to work as follows:
>

> 1) have my name/signoff appear *ABOVE* the signature separator line
> (i.e. "Best regards, John Doe")
>

> 2) have my name written in the same font and format (styled text by
> default) as the rest of the message text
>
>

> So what I've done is remove the automatically added signature separator
> (http://kb.mozillazine.org/Signatures_%28Thunderbird%29) by going to the
> Config editor, selecting
> "mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator" and changing it to
> TRUE.
>
> Then I added the signature (i.e. a joke, saying, my homepage etc.) below
> it and manually entered the signature separator as part of my entire
> signature (but this time where *I* wanted to put it), like this:
>
>
> Best regards,
> John Doe
> --

>
> A joke is a very serious thing -Winston Churchill
>
>
>
>

> The problem is that the upper part of the signature ("Best regards, John
> Doe") comes up as plain text while my actual email content is in styled
> text (I have my "Send options" (Preferences-Composition-General-Send
> options") set to "Send messages in plain text if possible" along with
> "Ask me what to do") which is very irritating.
>

> So... is there a way to make the upper part of my signature appear just
> as if it was written by me, but still have it automatically added?
>

See if this helps.

<https://edmullen.net/mozilla/moz_sigtag.php>


--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
"Sex: In America an obsession. In other parts of the world a fact." -
Marlene Dietrich

[Tiger]

Or never really properly educated on these matters, I have to admit.

I've always seen a signature as a chunk of text with "optional"
information such as a web page URL, a quote or whatever, but always
considered the greeting/name as somethign separate from this.
But of course it makes complete sense to include that in the signature,
because that way it won't be quoted in the reply.

The only thing that concerns me is that the separator sort of visually
divides the whole signature from the rest of the message, so the
name/greeting sort of gets a little lost there. Perhaps it's just
something which takes a little time to get used to....


--
T.

[PietB]

Ormail wrote:
> As an old fart in both physical age and amount of time net connected,
> reading this thread it becomes apparent that signature netiquette is
> being forgotten these days...

As an old fart in both physical age and amount of time net connected,

I can assure you that signature netiquette never formally existed and
therefore was "forgotten" very often.

-p

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message
<mailman.63.1521546176.1...@lists.mozilla.org>,
Tiger <vo...@none.none> writes:
[]

>I've always seen a signature as a chunk of text with "optional"
>information such as a web page URL, a quote or whatever, but always
>considered the greeting/name as somethign separate from this.
>But of course it makes complete sense to include that in the signature,
>because that way it won't be quoted in the reply.
>
>The only thing that concerns me is that the separator sort of visually
>divides the whole signature from the rest of the message, so the
>name/greeting sort of gets a little lost there. Perhaps it's just
>something which takes a little time to get used to....
>

A lot of people put the name (or whatever) immediately below the
separator, then a blank line, then the quote/joke/URL/whatever.

>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"He who will not reason is a bigot;
he who cannot is a fool;
he who dares not is a slave."
- Sir William Drummond

Above all things, use your mind.
Don't be that bigot, fool, or slave.