Disable Quote Line
Bruce Hagen
I have had good results.
I am currently running XP/SP3, but since I plan to get Windows 7 in the
future, and (at least at this point), will not include a default e-mail
client, I am trying out alternatives. I have no compulsion to use Windows
Live Mail or /anything/ from MS with Live in its name, so I have been
testing out TB.
I'm sure I will be back with more queries, but for now my question is this:
When replying or forwarding a message in HTML, I do not want a quote line,
or any quote indentation. (I do want the > for plain text). My searches so
far have only mentioned removing the quote line from a message that included
it. I have found nothing about disabling the quote line from appearing when
I click Forward, or Reply.
Unlike OE, I find nothing in Tools | Options. I appreciate any advice.
--
~Bruce
Anthony M.
>
> When replying or forwarding a message in HTML, I do not want a quote
> line, or any quote indentation. (I do want the > for plain text). My
> searches so far have only mentioned removing the quote line from a
> message that included it. I have found nothing about disabling the quote
> line from appearing when I click Forward, or Reply.
>
> Unlike OE, I find nothing in Tools | Options. I appreciate any advice.
Try Tools -> Options -> Composition then, under the General tab, at the top
there's Forward messages with a dropdown. Set it to As Attachment.
There no longer appears to be a way to change the default quoting when replying.
Bruce Hagen
news:U_-dnVm-_aVUQ27U...@mozilla.org...
This news is truly a disappointment as I refuse to forward messages as an
attachment. Always disliked AOL users as they have no choice but to do so. I
like to strip messages of all previous message header info before sending it
on.
Thank you for the reply though, Anthony M. I guess my search for a decent
e-mail client continues.
--
~Bruce
g
> This news is truly a disappointment as I refuse to forward messages as an
> attachment. Always disliked AOL users as they have no choice but to do so. I
> like to strip messages of all previous message header info before sending it
> on.
i do not use html, so i must ask question, what happens when you forward
an email 'inline'?
ria, with 'text/plain', you see what you are forwarding and can cut out
header.
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G. R. Woodring
Text replies have the "> " as the quoted line character, HTML replies place the
quoted material within <blockquote> tags. There isn't any "quote line" sent
with the message. The recipient's client and settings determine what is displayed.
Blockquote is normally displayed as indented text. You may be able to add style
sheet info to the message to suppress the indentation. This would still depend
upon how well the recipient's mail client supports CSS (if at all). There is at
least one extension that allows editing HTML in messages.
Embedded (in the head of the HTML message)
<STYLE type="text/css">
<!--
blockquote {text-indent: 0px}
-->
</STYLE>
In line (edit the blockquote tag in the body of the message)
<blockquote style="text-indent: 0px">Un-indented text</blockquote>
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G. R. Woodring
Bruce Hagen
"G. R. Woodring" <tejbb...@rneguyvax.arg> wrote in message
news:T8ydndwn1rWZ6WnU...@mozilla.org...
I sent myself a message and then replied to myself twice. In Outlook Express
the replies showed the indented message without the quote lines as you say.
But in TB, the replies /do/ show the quote lines.
Screen shot:
http://i41.tinypic.com/29opyps.gif
--
~Bruce
G. R. Woodring
> Express the replies showed the indented message without the quote lines
> as you say. But in TB, the replies /do/ show the quote lines.
>
> Screen shot:
> http://i41.tinypic.com/29opyps.gif
I use a variation of this code in userContent.css to display the quote bars to
my liking. You may be able to add the border elements in a message to eliminate
the quote bars.
/*
* Remove quote bars on both sides of message.
* Apply colors to message quote bars and quoted text.
*/
blockquote[type=cite] {
padding: 0px !important;
border-right: none !important;
border-left: none !important;
}
<blockquote style="text-indent: 0px; border-right: none; border-left:
none;">Un-indented text</blockquote>
Bear in mind that you are overriding the way the user is used to seeing messages
displayed. They might be impressed but then again they might be pissed off :-(
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G. R. Woodring
Bruce Hagen
"G. R. Woodring" <tejbb...@rneguyvax.arg> wrote in message
I'll give that a try. I, for one, am a user that can't stand seeing a dozen
quote lines from messages that were continuously forwarded.
Thank you.
--
~Bruce
David Pyles
Tools > Options > Advanced > Config Editor and type
mail.quoted_graphical into the filter then double click on the resulting
entry to toggle it to False.
Dave Pyles
G. R. Woodring
>
> "G. R. Woodring" <tejbb...@rneguyvax.arg> wrote in message
> news:pKadnUHcBtrMFWnU...@mozilla.org...
>> Date: 4/26/2009 11:13 AM, Author: Bruce Hagen Wrote:
>>>
>>> "G. R. Woodring" <tejbb...@rneguyvax.arg> wrote in message
>>> news:T8ydndwn1rWZ6WnU...@mozilla.org...
>>>> Date: 4/26/2009 12:18 AM, Author: Bruce Hagen Wrote:
>>>>> "Anthony M." <f...@bar.baz> wrote in message
>>>>> news:U_-dnVm-_aVUQ27U...@mozilla.org...
>>>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When replying or forwarding a message in HTML, I do not want a
>>>>>>> quote line, or any quote indentation. (I do want the > for plain
>>>>>>> text). My searches so far have only mentioned removing the quote
>>>>>>> line from a message that included it. I have found nothing about
>>>>>>> disabling the quote line from appearing when I click Forward, or
>>>>>>> Reply.
>>>>>>>
Snipped - (Exchange with Anthony not related to where the discussion is going)
This is the full listing of what I use to control the quote bars in
userContent.css. It displays the quoted text as blue, places the bars closer
together and displays the original message with a black bar and additional
replies alternate blue and gray. As you can see I have it as I want it, I would
be among the ones pissed off ;-)
/*
* Remove redundant quote bars on right side and
* Apply colors to message quote bars and quoted text.
*/
blockquote[type=cite] {
color: blue !important;
padding: 3px !important;
border-right: none !important;
border-color: black !important;
}
blockquote[type=cite] blockquote {
border-color: blue !important;
}
blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote {
border-color: grey !important;
}
blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote {
border-color: blue ! important;
}
blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote {
border-color: grey !important;
}
blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote {
border-color: blue !important;
}
blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote
blockquote {
border-color: grey !important;
}
blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote
blockquote blockquote {
border-color: blue !important;
}
blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote
blockquote blockquote blockquote {
border-color: grey !important;
}
blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote
blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote {
border-color: blue !important;
}
blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote
blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote {
border-color: grey !important;
}
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G. R. Woodring
Bruce Hagen
"David Pyles" <non...@user.invalid> wrote in message
news:id-dndxN9OnUF2nU...@mozilla.org...
Thanks, but absolutely no difference in what I see whether set to False or
True.
--
~Bruce
David Pyles
Dave Pyles
Bruce Hagen
"David Pyles" <non...@user.invalid> wrote in message
Well, your instructions were easy enough to follow. I still see a new quote
line for every reply in TB, but not for the same message in OE. OE just
shows indented test without a indent line or character. I can live with it.
I have one more unrelated question so I will start a new thread.
Thanks,
--
~Bruce
David Pyles
quoted text to yourself, if you haven't already done so, and open it
with Thunderbird an see if it is showing the graphical lines in the new
message. I'm thinking that possibly the old messages may somehow have
had the graphical quotes coded into them when the setting was set to
true. This is just a guess, mind you.
Dave Pyles
Bruce Hagen
>>>>> If you don't want to see the graphical quote lines in your messages:
>>>>> Tools > Options > Advanced > Config Editor and type
>>>>> mail.quoted_graphical into the filter then double click on the
>>>>> resulting entry to toggle it to False.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Pyles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, but absolutely no difference in what I see whether set to False
>>>> or True.
>>> Strange. It works here.
>>> Dave Pyles
>>
>>
>> Well, your instructions were easy enough to follow. I still see a new
>> quote line for every reply in TB, but not for the same message in OE. OE
>> just shows indented test without a indent line or character. I can live
>> with it.
>>
>> I have one more unrelated question so I will start a new thread.
>>
>> Thanks,
> After you have changed the setting to false, try sending a message with
> quoted text to yourself, if you haven't already done so, and open it with
> Thunderbird an see if it is showing the graphical lines in the new
> message. I'm thinking that possibly the old messages may somehow have had
> the graphical quotes coded into them when the setting was set to true.
> This is just a guess, mind you.
>
> Dave Pyles
Still no change but thanks for the suggestion. I'll get over it. <grin> At
least it doesn't keep adding quote lines on forwards as well like OE does
with the indent option checked.
--
~Bruce
Ken Whiton
*-* In Article I-CdnW-sqOvzsGjU...@mozilla.org,
*-* Bruce Hagen wrote
*-* About Re: Disable Quote Line
> "David Pyles" <non...@user.invalid> wrote in message
> news:id-dndxN9OnUF2nU...@mozilla.org...
>> On 4/26/2009 11:13 AM, Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>> "G. R. Woodring" <tejbb...@rneguyvax.arg> wrote in message
>>> news:T8ydndwn1rWZ6WnU...@mozilla.org...
>>>> Date: 4/26/2009 12:18 AM, Author: Bruce Hagen Wrote:
>>>>> "Anthony M." <f...@bar.baz> wrote in message
>>>>> news:U_-dnVm-_aVUQ27U...@mozilla.org...
>>>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>>>>>> When replying or forwarding a message in HTML, I do not want a
>>>>>>> quote line, or any quote indentation. (I do want the > for
>>>>>>> plain text). My searches so far have only mentioned removing
>>>>>>> the quote line from a message that included it. I have found
>>>>>>> nothing about disabling the quote line from appearing when I
>>>>>>> click Forward, or Reply.
>>>>>>> Unlike OE, I find nothing in Tools | Options. I appreciate any
>>>>>>> advice.
After opening the Compose window, highlight its complete contents
and [Insert --> HTML...]. In the "Insert HTML" window, go through and
delete all <blockquote ... type="cite"> and </blockquote> tags. When
done, click on "Insert" and all the graphical quote bars will
"magically" disappear. ;-)
>>>>>> Try Tools -> Options -> Composition then, under the General
>>>>>> tab, at the top there's Forward messages with a dropdown. Set
>>>>>> it to As Attachment.
>>>>>> There no longer appears to be a way to change the default
>>>>>> quoting when replying.
>>>>> This news is truly a disappointment as I refuse to forward
>>>>> messages as an attachment. Always disliked AOL users as they
>>>>> have no choice but to do so. I like to strip messages of all
>>>>> previous message header info before sending it on.
I don't blame you. I do too.
>>>>> Thank you for the reply though, Anthony M. I guess my search for
>>>>> a decent e-mail client continues.
>>>> Text replies have the "> " as the quoted line character, HTML
>>>> replies place the quoted material within <blockquote> tags.
>>>> There isn't any "quote line" sent with the message. The
>>>> recipient's client and settings determine what is displayed.
>>>> Blockquote is normally displayed as indented text. You may be
>>>> able to add style sheet info to the message to suppress the
>>>> indentation. This would still depend upon how well the
>>>> recipient's mail client supports CSS (if at all). There is at
>>>> least one extension that allows editing HTML in messages.
>>>> Embedded (in the head of the HTML message)
>>>> <STYLE type="text/css">
>>>> <!--
>>>> blockquote {text-indent: 0px}
>>>> -->
>>>> </STYLE>
>>>> In line (edit the blockquote tag in the body of the message)
>>>> <blockquote style="text-indent: 0px">Un-indented text</blockquote>
>>> I sent myself a message and then replied to myself twice. In
>>> Outlook Express the replies showed the indented message without
>>> the quote lines as you say. But in TB, the replies /do/ show the
>>> quote lines.
>>> Screen shot:
>>> http://i41.tinypic.com/29opyps.gif
>> If you don't want to see the graphical quote lines in your messages:
>> Tools > Options > Advanced > Config Editor and type
>> mail.quoted_graphical into the filter then double click on the
>> resulting entry to toggle it to False.
> Thanks, but absolutely no difference in what I see whether set to
> False or True.
Actually, there's more to it than just setting that preference to
"false":
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Quote_bars
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_content_types#Plain_text
The first link refers to inserting three "user_pref"s into your
user.js file. In actuality, all three already exist, and can be
toggled in the Config Editor, without having to create/edit the
user.js file.
In the second link, scroll down to the "bullet" item "To disable
colored quote bars, ...".
The methods described in these two links are somewhat different,
so you may want to try both and see which (if either) works better for
you.
Ken Whiton
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Bruce Hagen
"Ken Whiton" <kenw...@surfglobal.net.INVAL> wrote in message
news:Dr2dnS8--fpOLGvU...@mozilla.org...
Hi, Ken:
> After opening the Compose window, highlight its complete contents
> and [Insert --> HTML...]. In the "Insert HTML" window, go through and
> delete all <blockquote ... type="cite"> and </blockquote> tags. When
> done, click on "Insert" and all the graphical quote bars will
> "magically" disappear. ;-)
That works fine. Similar to OE, but with OE there was a Source tab on the
bottom of the composition window to expose the coding. So, I knew how to do
it, but not how to get to the source to do it.
Now I have noticed that even though Forward Messages Inline is selected in
Tools | Options | Composition, they wind up as attachments when I view them
in OE, and I /am/ reading in HTML. Any thoughts on that?
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Quote_bars
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_content_types#Plain_text
>
> The first link refers to inserting three "user_pref"s into your
> user.js file. In actuality, all three already exist, and can be
> toggled in the Config Editor, without having to create/edit the
> user.js file.
>
> In the second link, scroll down to the "bullet" item "To disable
> colored quote bars, ...".
It /appears/ that the first link will change it from the quote line to the
indent character, (>).
The second link /may/ be what I need, but am not sure as to creating the new
entry and then editing it. Since the quote line is only being inserted in
Replies and not Forwards, I can leave it as is.
I post in MS newsgroups, (primarily Outlook Express), and been an MVP since
2004, but all of that doesn't help me in these uncharted waters. BTW. Are
all of you here volunteers like us?
--
~Bruce
Ken Whiton
*-* In Article y5idnVjaVfop1GrU...@mozilla.org,
*-* Bruce Hagen wrote
*-* About Re: Disable Quote Line
> "Ken Whiton" <kenw...@surfglobal.net.INVAL> wrote in message
> news:Dr2dnS8--fpOLGvU...@mozilla.org...
[ ... ]
>> After opening the Compose window, highlight its complete
>> contents and [Insert --> HTML...]. In the "Insert HTML" window, go
>> through and delete all <blockquote ... type="cite"> and
>> </blockquote> tags. When done, click on "Insert" and all the
>> graphical quote bars will "magically" disappear. ;-)
> That works fine. Similar to OE, but with OE there was a Source tab
> on the bottom of the composition window to expose the coding. So, I
> knew how to do it, but not how to get to the source to do it.
I'm glad I was able to help you "find the way". ;-)
> Now I have noticed that even though Forward Messages Inline is
> selected in Tools | Options | Composition, they wind up as
> attachments when I view them in OE, and I /am/ reading in HTML. Any
> thoughts on that?
I think that's just the way OE handles embedded images. About a
year and a half ago I had a problem with the way my ISP's WebMail
displayed some embedded images. At first their support department
couldn't replicate the problem, but after further digging it turned
out to result from a difference in the way different (sending) e-mail
clients embed (or not) images. Here is an excerpt from an e-mail they
sent me explaining what was happening:
"The issue does in fact appear to be related to how the picture is
being sent. If the picture is sent as attachment, the horizontal
scroll appears in Webmail. If the picture is imbedded into the body
of the message (such as when you drag and drop the image into a
message in Thunderbird), no scroll bar.
"The reason I was not able to replicate this issue with Outlook
Express is because drag and dropping a picture into the body of a
message in OE automatically attaches the image file. Thunderbird
behaves differently. It sounds like Eudora behaves the same as
Thunderbird."
From your description, it sounds as if OE doesn't properly
display embedded images any better than it embeds them. :-(
[ ... ]
> I post in MS newsgroups, (primarily Outlook Express), and been an
> MVP since 2004, but all of that doesn't help me in these uncharted
> waters. BTW. Are all of you here volunteers like us?
I believe so, yes. I know I am.
Bruce Hagen
"Ken Whiton" <kenw...@surfglobal.net.INVAL> wrote in message
Since OE can't even recognize an attachment from MS Outlook using Rich Text
Format, this is not surprising.
Thanks for the help, Ken. I'm sure this won't be my last question in this
newsgroup.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA