Turn Preview Pane Off, for Good?
croy
stay off when closing/reopening Tb?
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Thanks,
croy
Martin Jungowski
> Is there a way to turn the preview pane off, and have it stay off when
> closing/reopening Tb?
I might be wrong but isn't there a bug report on that already? If I
remember correctly it's a bug in Thunderbird 3.0.x.
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Bill Braun
> Is there a way to turn the preview pane off, and have it
> stay off when closing/reopening Tb?
>
TB 2.0.0.24
I have the Message Pane open as a matter of practice. It is
open when I close TB, and is open when I load it.
Closed Message Pane (F8), closed TB, opened TB, and Message
Pane was closed. Then opened Message Pane (F8), closed TB,
loaded TB, and Message Pane was open.
I cannot duplicate what you describe.
Bill B
Ron Hunter
> Is there a way to turn the preview pane off, and have it
> stay off when closing/reopening Tb?
>
Ron Hunter
The only bug I know of regarding the message pane coming back is that it
WILL come back if an error occurs when TB3 closes, as in having to force
it closed, or if an error happens when closing, and the OS closes it, or
the error handler closes it.
John Corliss
> Is there a way to turn the preview pane off, and have it
> stay off when closing/reopening Tb?
Well, I don't know about your system, but I just turned off the message
pane by pressing the F8 button. Then I closed Thunderbird and restarted
it again. When TB came back on, the message pane was still hidden. I
pressed the F8 button again and it reappeared.
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croy
I always hit F8 to close the message pane when I first open
Tb, but after I shut Win2k down for the night, reboot in the
morning, and launch Tb, it's there again.
It's been like this ever since I upped to 3.0. Currently at
Tb 3.0.4.
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croy
croy
I alway close Tb normally (with the preview pane closed).
Then, if I reboot the machine and open Tb, the preview pane
is there again.
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croy
croy
Gone from your eyes maybe, but I suspect not closed.
Whatever email is selected in the list is being opened, even
if you can't see it. And if it's got something nasty in it,
infection! I see no reason (or excuse) for the app to be
opening a message automatically, simply because it has the
focus in the list. Bad security practice, in my opinion.
I don't want a message opened until I order it opened.
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croy
croy
You may have ordered Tb to close, and it may have
dissapeared from view, but from a lot of messages I've been
reading here, it may, or may not, be closed.
If I close Tb (with the preview pane closed), then reboot
the machine, and launch Tb again, there's the preview pane
again.
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croy
John Corliss
I'll give that a try and reply to this post.
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John Corliss
John Corliss
Okay, I just shut down TB with the Preview Pane hidden and then rebooted
my computer. When it started back up, I restarted Thunderbird and the
Preview Pane was still hidden.
Maybe it's the version of Windows you're using (assuming you're using
Windows)? I'm using XP Home SP3, current with security updates.
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John Corliss
KristleBawl
> Okay, I just shut down TB with the Preview Pane hidden and then
> rebooted my computer. When it started back up, I restarted
> Thunderbird and the Preview Pane was still hidden.
>
> Maybe it's the version of Windows you're using (assuming you're using
> Windows)? I'm using XP Home SP3, current with security updates.
I think it's caused by an add-on that you and I have not installed.
If those with the problem listed all of their add-ons, maybe they'd find
one in common.
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Larry Gusaas
> On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:22:34 -0500, Ron Hunter
> <rphu...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> croy wrote:
>>> Is there a way to turn the preview pane off, and have it
>>> stay off when closing/reopening Tb?
>>>
>> Sure. Just drag the tom of it down to the bottom of the screen. Gone.
>
> Gone from your eyes maybe, but I suspect not closed.
Then go to View/Layout and uncheck 'Message Pane'. (It is not a preview
pane.)
> Whatever email is selected in the list is being opened, even
> if you can't see it. And if it's got something nasty in it,
> infection!
Highly unlikely. Thunderbird does not open attachments automatically.
> I see no reason (or excuse) for the app to be
> opening a message automatically, simply because it has the
> focus in the list.
Doesn't if you've set it to not open.
> Bad security practice, in my opinion.
>
> I don't want a message opened until I order it opened.
Paranoid, aren't you. I always have the message pane enabled
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Ron Hunter
drag the bar down. Same result. Check the view setting after doing the
drag, and see if it is the same as F8.
Ron Hunter
> On 2010/04/08 5:25 PM croy wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:22:34 -0500, Ron Hunter
>> <rphu...@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> croy wrote:
>>>> Is there a way to turn the preview pane off, and have it
>>>> stay off when closing/reopening Tb?
>>>>
>>> Sure. Just drag the tom of it down to the bottom of the screen. Gone.
>>
>> Gone from your eyes maybe, but I suspect not closed.
>
> Then go to View/Layout and uncheck 'Message Pane'. (It is not a preview
> pane.)
>
>> Whatever email is selected in the list is being opened, even
>> if you can't see it. And if it's got something nasty in it,
>> infection!
>
> Highly unlikely. Thunderbird does not open attachments automatically.
>
>> I see no reason (or excuse) for the app to be
>> opening a message automatically, simply because it has the
>> focus in the list.
>
> Doesn't if you've set it to not open.
>
>> Bad security practice, in my opinion.
>>
>> I don't want a message opened until I order it opened.
>
> Paranoid, aren't you. I always have the message pane enabled
>
>
messages, so I keep it closed.
John Corliss
> John Corliss expressed an opinion:
>> Okay, I just shut down TB with the Preview Pane hidden and then
>> rebooted my computer. When it started back up, I restarted
>> Thunderbird and the Preview Pane was still hidden.
>>
>> Maybe it's the version of Windows you're using (assuming you're using
>> Windows)? I'm using XP Home SP3, current with security updates.
>
> I think it's caused by an add-on that you and I have not installed.
>
> If those with the problem listed all of their add-ons, maybe they'd find
> one in common.
That's a distinct possibility.
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Greywolf
> croy wrote:
[...]
>> I don't want a message opened until I order it opened.
>>
> Which is WHY I don't use it. You can use f8 to toggle it off, or just
> drag the bar down. Same result. Check the view setting after doing the
> drag, and see if it is the same as F8.
Highlighting the header is the command to open the message (== display
in Preview pane.)
Frankly, I don't see a problem. On the contrary, IMO the a separate
"message pane" is superfluous, since Preview does exactly what the
message pane does, you just without having to click on the header.
So what exactly is the issue here?
cheers,
wolf k.
Ron Hunter
Suppose someone has sent you a message with what you suspect is porn in
it, and you want to delete it without having to explain the contents to
your 8 year old daughter who is watching? Get the idea? If you click
on the header, the message will open in the message pane, and you can't
select the message to delete it without displaying it.
My main reason for not using it is that I don't like trying to read
messages in a very small window, and having to scroll to see more than
10-15 lines of text. Bummer!
TB is not really subject to the same risks as older versions of OE,
which would happily open attachments when you clicked on a header, thus
loading malware into your system. Still, I don't want to display some
messages, such as spam, or advertising of other types (as mentioned
above). Getting rid of the message pane (known as 'preview pane' to
MS), relieves me of this worry, as well as displaying the message in a
window large enough to seem most complete messages, and images.
Greywolf
> Greywolf wrote:
[...]
>> Frankly, I don't see a problem. On the contrary, IMO the a separate
>> "message pane" is superfluous, since Preview does exactly what the
>> message pane does, you just without having to click on the header.
>>
>> So what exactly is the issue here?
>>
>> cheers,
>> wolf k.
>
> Suppose someone has sent you a message with what you suspect is porn in
> it, and you want to delete it without having to explain the contents to
> your 8 year old daughter who is watching? Get the idea? If you click
> on the header, the message will open in the message pane, and you can't
> select the message to delete it without displaying it.
Use right click, then only the menu comes up. The message opens only
when you left click. Try it. ;-)
> My main reason for not using it is that I don't like trying to read
> messages in a very small window, and having to scroll to see more than
> 10-15 lines of text. Bummer!
I don't have that trouble here. In fact I have the opposite problem,
posts/mails written in HTML with a teeny font, which I have to enlarge.
Maybe it's your monitor size or resolution setting. I have a 1920x1080
screen for this desktop, and have plenty of screen space for reading
messages. BTW, this monitor cost less than my previous 1280x1024, and
much less than the old CRT (max resolution 800x600). My wife has a
1024x768 laptop, also has lots of screen space. Did you by any chance
change the resolution from other than native? A lot of people do that in
order to get larger fonts, but it's a bad idea. Use a larger display
font instead (RC on Desktop > Properties > Appearance > Fonts > select
from dropdown menu.
PS: have you created filters? Do you visit your ISP's web portal, and
mark a bunch of bad stuff as Junk (or Spam or whatever)? Both of these
measures reduce the crap a lot in my experience.
HTH
wolf k.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> Greywolf wrote:
>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> croy wrote:
>>>> I don't want a message opened until I order it opened.
>>>>
>>> Which is WHY I don't use it. You can use f8 to toggle it off, or
>>> just drag the bar down. Same result. Check the view setting after
>>> doing the drag, and see if it is the same as F8.
>>
>> Highlighting the header is the command to open the message (==
>> display in Preview pane.)
It's not a Preview pane (in the sense of OE); it's a Message pane. I
suppose there is some small distinction there.
>> Frankly, I don't see a problem. On the contrary, IMO the a separate
>> "message pane" is superfluous, since Preview does exactly what the
>> message pane does, you just without having to click on the header.
>>
>> So what exactly is the issue here?
>
> Suppose someone has sent you a message with what you suspect is porn
> in it, and you want to delete it without having to explain the
> contents to your 8 year old daughter who is watching? Get the idea?
> If you click on the header, the message will open in the message
> pane, and you can't select the message to delete it without
> displaying it.
Sure you can. Right-click on the header line (which does not select it)
and choose "Delete Message" from the context menu. If the header says
"Teenage Bimbos" and your 8-yr-old is present. do this.
(My filtering seems to take care of just about all of the spam/porn
messages. I never see 'em. I run my own email server [web-hosted] with
SpamAssassin which must be working.)
> My main reason for not using it is that I don't like trying to read
> messages in a very small window, and having to scroll to see more
> than 10-15 lines of text. Bummer!
IME, half the email I receive fits in the Message pane. :-)
> TB is not really subject to the same risks as older versions of OE,
> which would happily open attachments when you clicked on a header,
> thus loading malware into your system. Still, I don't want to
> display some messages, such as spam, or advertising of other types
> (as mentioned above). Getting rid of the message pane (known as
> 'preview pane' to MS), relieves me of this worry, as well as
> displaying the message in a window large enough to seem most complete
> messages, and images.
You can still double-click a header to get a full window, of course, but
why turn off the Message pane for short messages?
I never found it useful to display 50-60 headers at once (full-height
Header pane), when a dozen or so was adequate.
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Ron Hunter
other a netbook with 1024x597 screen. As you can imagine, the netbook
represents a problem, but I still don't like a 3 pane screen, even on
the larger monitor. Just put it up to personal preferences. To me, the
small window seems like reading through a small horizontal slot.
Thanks for the right-click trick. Never would have thought of it.
Amazing what we can miss for years. Usually, I discover these things by
accident.
Ron Hunter
set for 1 pane since the very early days of Netscape. Back then, I was
using a 14" monitor, and it was pretty much necessary. Now, with the
netbook, it still is.
croy
<ha...@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:22:34 -0500, Ron Hunter
><rphu...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>croy wrote:
>>> Is there a way to turn the preview pane off, and have it
>>> stay off when closing/reopening Tb?
>>>
>>Sure. Just drag the tom of it down to the bottom of the screen. Gone.
>
>Gone from your eyes maybe, but I suspect not closed.
I was wrong. It does appear that turning it off, or
dragging it to the bottom of the window, have the same
effect (when it gets dragged *near* the bottom, it seems to
jump, magnetically so to speak, to the very bottom).
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croy
Ron Hunter
The checkmark in the view/layout menu indicates the status.
donald....@gmail.com
There's a file in the Thunderbird profile (17.0.6 anyway) called "session.json". Unless deleted, it is always present when Thunderbird is logged off, and sometimes when logged on. It stores some display configuration settings -- including the most current message pane preference -- to be carried over between logon sessions. When Thunderbird is if fired up, it reuses the preferences stored in the file and then deletes it temporarily. However, it may appear again if Thunderbird is up long enough.
I learned by sleuthing that my CCleaner was deleting session.json when I shut down at night. Then in the morning when I fired Thunderbird up again, that infernal message pane was open. I've since told CCleaner to keep its hands off that particular file.
Without the session.json file present at startup, Thunderbird employs default configuration settings. The displayed message pane is among those settings! So the bottom line is that if you are using some kind of "cleanup" software, you could be removing session.json from your profile and your message pane is guaranteed to come back at startup.
croy
ocaisionally.
Thanks!
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croy
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> Is there a way to turn the preview pane off, and have it
> stay off when closing/reopening Tb?
>
> --
> Thanks,
> croy
You are correct sir! This is the exact answer to the exact problem I have been having.I use CCleaner, so I unchecked the "Session" box in the Thunderbird Application tab and the problem went away! Good Job and thank you.
mer...@desktopmasters.com
I struggled with this same problem. I booted TB into safe mode and it woudl REMEMBER my last preview pain state. So I deducted it was an extension. I started going through my list of extensions disabling them in small groups and testing. I finally found the one causing the problem. For me it was "Folderpane Tools".
~ Merlin
Chris Luck
> On Friday, April 9, 2010 7:56:24 AM UTC-7, Ron Hunter wrote:
>> Greywolf wrote:
>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>> croy wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers, wolf k.
>>
>> Suppose someone has sent you a message with what you suspect is
>> porn in it, and you want to delete it without having to explain the
>> contents to your 8 year old daughter who is watching? Get the
>> idea? If you click on the header, the message will open in the
>> message pane, and you can't select the message to delete it without
>> displaying it.
cannot be deleted without being opened.
Right-click on any unwholesome/hazardous looking message then select
Delete from the context menu, I think that worked even back in 2010.
I know of no method available to help visually impaired users.
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Chris Luck