Copying mail to Sent folder

[Brian]

When sending an email it takes Thunderbird a long time to copy the email
into the Sent folder, even for standard text content only. If the
message contains an attachment and /or is to multiple recipients (even
just 4 or 5) it can take a couple of minutes and sometimes fails
completely, requiring a re-send. I previously had also selected the
option to place an additional copy in the same folder as the original
email (if replying) but have deselected this by way of troubleshooting
the issue. Whilst this latter action has improved the situation it
hasn't resolved it. Have also tried disabling all add-ons but the
problem remains.

Using T'bird 30 build 20140509030228 on Windows 8.1.

Brian

[WaltS48]

Scanning for viruses as you send the mail?

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[Wolf K.]

On 2014-06-11 7:42 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 06/11/2014 05:55 AM, Brian wrote:
>> When sending an email it takes Thunderbird a long time to copy the email
>> into the Sent folder, even for standard text content only. If the
>> message contains an attachment and /or is to multiple recipients (even
>> just 4 or 5) it can take a couple of minutes and sometimes fails
>> completely, requiring a re-send. I previously had also selected the
>> option to place an additional copy in the same folder as the original
>> email (if replying) but have deselected this by way of troubleshooting
>> the issue. Whilst this latter action has improved the situation it
>> hasn't resolved it. Have also tried disabling all add-ons but the
>> problem remains.
>>
>> Using T'bird 30 build 20140509030228 on Windows 8.1.
>>
>> Brian
>
>
> Scanning for viruses as you send the mail?

And/or possibly a very large Sent "folder". Keep in mind that these
"folders" are actually files. Every new Sent message is added to the
file, and when it gets very large it takes some time to rewrite the file
with the new message. same is true of Inbox and other

Cure: regular Delete or Move Sent messages, followed by Compact. Do the
same for the other folders.

HTH

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[Ken Springer]

You could also archive some of the messages in the "folders".


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[Maurice]

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:26:18 -0400, Wolf K. wrote:

> Keep in mind that these "folders" are actually files. Every new Sent
> message is added to the file,

If using 'mbox , yes.
Not so with 'maildir' (its main advantage...)

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[Brian]

On 11/06/2014 13:33, Ken Springer wrote:
> On 6/11/14 6:26 AM, Wolf K. wrote:
>> On 2014-06-11 7:42 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>> On 06/11/2014 05:55 AM, Brian wrote:
>>>> When sending an email it takes Thunderbird a long time to copy the
>>>> email
>>>> into the Sent folder, even for standard text content only. If the
>>>> message contains an attachment and /or is to multiple recipients (even
>>>> just 4 or 5) it can take a couple of minutes and sometimes fails
>>>> completely, requiring a re-send. I previously had also selected the
>>>> option to place an additional copy in the same folder as the original
>>>> email (if replying) but have deselected this by way of troubleshooting
>>>> the issue. Whilst this latter action has improved the situation it
>>>> hasn't resolved it. Have also tried disabling all add-ons but the
>>>> problem remains.
>>>>
>>>> Using T'bird 30 build 20140509030228 on Windows 8.1.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> Scanning for viruses as you send the mail?

Possibly, but don't get that problem with MS Outlook, Windows 8 mail app
or webmail.

>>
>> And/or possibly a very large Sent "folder". Keep in mind that these
>> "folders" are actually files. Every new Sent message is added to the
>> file, and when it gets very large it takes some time to rewrite the file
>> with the new message. same is true of Inbox and other
>>
>> Cure: regular Delete or Move Sent messages, followed by Compact. Do the
>> same for the other folders.
>>
>> HTH
>
> You could also archive some of the messages in the "folders".

Doubt if that's the problem. Folder has 252 messages, total 72.8 Mb.
I've repaired and then compacted the folder, so here's hoping for an
improvement.

Brian

[Ken Springer]

I'm tired of issues with TB that can't be addressed with just security
fixes. I've got Outlook installed, just have to find the time to
migrate back. :-)

I used to be a big fan of TB, but I no longer recommend TB for anything
to anyone anymore.

[Chris Ilias]

Do you know if you're using POP3 or IMAP?

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[Brian]

IMAP

[Ron Hunter]

IMAP keeps the deleted messages, and sent files, at the server level, so
they are available on your other devices. This means when you access
the server, your computer needs to send any data to the server that it
doesn't have, and the server needs to update the files on your device.
Depending on your connect rate, and the speed of your computer, and how
long it has been since it completed these exchanges of date, it can take
a while.

[Tanstaafl]

On 6/12/2014 3:54 PM, Ron Hunter <rphu...@charter.net> wrote:
> On 6/12/2014 2:22 PM, Brian wrote:
>> On 12/06/2014 00:42, Chris Ilias wrote:
>>> Do you know if you're using POP3 or IMAP?
>>>
>> IMAP

> IMAP keeps the deleted messages, and sent files, at the server level,

No, it doesn't. It does provide this ability to IMAP clients though.

And yes, by default, Thunderbird defaults to storing these 'special use'
folders on the IMAP server, but it can easily be changed.

so
> they are available on your other devices. This means when you access
> the server, your computer needs to send any data to the server that it
> doesn't have, and the server needs to update the files on your device.
> Depending on your connect rate, and the speed of your computer, and how
> long it has been since it completed these exchanges of date, it can take
> a while.

There has long been talk about dovecot/postfix implementing BURL so that
Sent copies don't have to be uploaded twice. This has always been a hug
waste of time and bandwidth, especially for messages with large attachments.

Gmail automatically stores copies of sent messages, so that is one of
the first things that I always do on my gmail accounts when I add them
to Thunderbird - disable saving sent messages.

I really wish this would become the default for all IMAP accounts.

[Chris Ilias]

That means the Sent folder is on the server, and in addition to sending
your message to the recipient, it's also being copied to the Sent folder
on your mail server. Maybe the connection with your IMAP server is
unreliable. Do you have the same issue when saving a draft message?

[Jonathan Kamens]

If you're using Gmail, then make sure Thunderbird is _not_
configured to save copies of sent messages. As someone else
has noted, Gmail does this automatically when you send an
outgoing message through its servers, so not only is it
unnecessary for Thunderbird to do it as well, sometimes when
it tries to do so things break.

It's a shame that when Thunderbird auto-configures a Gmail
account, it enables saving copies in Sent Mail on the server.
The auto-configuration should be smart enough to know that
isn't necessary for Gmail accounts and turn it off.

[Christian Riechers]

RTFM often helps.
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/78892

[Brian]

Yes, the sent message is also saved to the server. But I don't quite
understand the logic of your comment about the connection with the IMAP
server being unreliable. I assume that when sending an email T'bird has
to connect to the IMAP server. The emails are sent, it is the process of
copying the email to the sent folder in T'bird by T'bird when the issue
arises. And yes, saving drafts can also result in a T'bird 'not
responding' message but again is this just not a T'bird issue?

I am on a fast connection, 13-15 Mbps and have an Intel i5 dual core
processor with 8GB RAM and as previously mentioned the issue doesn't
arise with MS Outlook (2007) or the Windows 8 Mail App.

To other responders, I am not using Gmail. My account is with Sky who
use Yahoo to provide it's email service.

[Jonathan Kamens]

Brian <br1...@sky.com> writes:
>Yes, the sent message is also saved to the server. But I don't quite
>understand the logic of your comment about the connection with the IMAP
>server being unreliable. I assume that when sending an email T'bird has
>to connect to the IMAP server.

Outbound email you send goes through the SMTP server, not the
IMAP server. The IMAP server is where your email is stored.
These are usually two different servers. It's entirely
possible (indeed common) for one to be more reliable than the
other.

>To other responders, I am not using Gmail. My account is with Sky who
>use Yahoo to provide it's email service.

Ah. Well, there's your problem. ;-) Seriously, Yahoo isn't
known for reliability or stability. It might be that the only
way you're going to be able to fix this problem is to switch
to a different email provider.