Getting quote bars to appear in outlook
Andrew DeFaria
blockquote[type=cite] {
padding: 0em .5em .5em .5em !important;
border-right: 2px solid blue !important;
border-left: 2px solid blue !important;
}
blockquote[type=cite]
blockquote[type=cite] {
border-right: 2px solid maroon !important;
border-left: 2px solid maroon !important;
}
But as I check with my Outlook using buddies I've been told that they
do not see the quote bars. Has anybody answered this guy's question @
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=997785 ?How do I get Outlook users to see quote bars?
Arivald
> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
First of all: no one Outlook version understands CSS2 selector like
[type=cite].
So try use:
blockquote {
padding: 0em .5em .5em .5em !important;
border-right: 2px solid blue !important;
border-left: 2px solid blue !important;
}
blockquote
blockquote {
border-right: 2px solid maroon !important;
border-left: 2px solid maroon !important;
}
I personally use this:
blockquote { border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px;
padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; }
While rendering in Outlook it look more like OutlokExpres quote, one
black bar at left side.
While rendering in TB, TB chrome: CSS will override it and will show out
beloved colored bars at both sides ;-)
Problem: Outlook 2007 have new, WORD-based html rendering engine, and it
ignore most styles on blockqoute... I do not know how to fix it.
--
Arivald
Andrew DeFaria
Here's some indented text. If I am using your fix it looks like a citation instead of simply an indentation and has quote bars.Thoughts?
Arivald
OE add CSS style directly to <blockquote> used for quoting.
Currently there is no automated way to replicate this. If You wish, You
may manually add such CSS to every "[type=cite]" <blockquote>.
I do not use <blockquote> for indentation. i prefer to use div with
required style (I edit it manually).
By the way, probably I can add such function to Stationery extension.
But I'm not sure how it should work:
1) Always add same OE style, if some check-box is set in options window.
2) Or give user chance to override this style in Stationery options.
3) Or add support for some <META> tag to enable/override such styles.
How You think?
Probably I can add all of this options, in some hierarchical way...
--
Arivald
Andrew DeFaria
OE add CSS style directly to <blockquote> used for quoting.
Currently there is no automated way to replicate this. If You wish, You may manually add such CSS to every "[type=cite]" <blockquote>.
BTW: I'm much less interested in OE than Outlook. Nobody I know uses OE. At work, where my main concern is, everybody uses Outlook. Of course I'd love to have a solution that worked equally well in OE and Outlook but I wouldn't care for a solution that works in OE but not Outlook.
I do not use <blockquote> for indentation. i prefer to use div with required style (I edit it manually).
By the way, probably I can add such function to Stationery extension. But I'm not sure how it should work:
1) Always add same OE style, if some check-box is set in options window.
2) Or give user chance to override this style in Stationery options.
3) Or add support for some <META> tag to enable/override such styles.
How You think?
Probably I can add all of this options, in some hierarchical way...
Hmmm... The above approach would probably need to do successive citations with id="cite1", id="cite2", etc...
--
Andrew DeFaria
Big Bang is just a theory, while God is just a baseless claim.
Arivald
> Arivald wrote:
>
>> OE add CSS style directly to <blockquote> used for quoting.
>> Currently there is no automated way to replicate this. If You wish,
>> You may manually add such CSS to every "[type=cite]" <blockquote>.
> I'm sorry but the above didn't parse for me. Could you explain better or
> perhaps show an example?
Stationery extension allows You to quite easy edit of HTML source.
So You may go to source editor, and change this:
<blockquote type="cite">
to theis
<blockquote type="cite" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);
padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;
margin-right: 0px;">
It is how OE and Outlok style <blockquote> used for quoting in reply.
> BTW: I'm much less interested in OE than Outlook. Nobody I know uses OE.
Older Outlook do it in same way like OE, but O2007 do it a bit different.
O2007 place cited text in div with this style:
<div style="border-style: solid none none;
border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);
border-width: 1pt medium medium;
padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;">
Anyway, O2007 can detect old style used by old Outlook and OE, and
display it properly.
> Again, my interest is not in making it work for OE as much as making it
> work for Outlook. Would it be possible to use say id's as in id="cite"
> or something like that? I suspect not because TB's not gonna emit
> <blockquote id="cite"> instead of <blockquote type="cite"> unless the
> extension can make TB do that. I'm not sure if it can. I've never
<blockquote id="cite"> will not work anyway, ID value must be unique.
I may make Stationery to add 'class="cite"' to every <blockquote
type="cite">, so this way CSS will work.
<blockquote type="cite" ...> will become:
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" ...>
For example, instead of:
blockquote[type=cite] {
padding: 0em .5em .5em .5em !important;
border-right: 2px solid blue !important;
border-left: 2px solid blue !important;
}
blockquote[type=cite]
blockquote[type=cite] {
border-right: 2px solid maroon !important;
border-left: 2px solid maroon !important;
}
You will use:
blockquote.cite {
padding: 0em .5em .5em .5em !important;
border-right: 2px solid blue !important;
border-left: 2px solid blue !important;
}
blockquote.cite
blockquote.cite {
border-right: 2px solid maroon !important;
border-left: 2px solid maroon !important;
}
If You want to try Stationery extension with this modification, please
mail me at ari...@interia.pl, so I will send You modified extension.
BTW, please enclose Your HTML signature in <span class="moz-signature">.
When You do it, then TB will be able to automatically remove your
signature from reply.
Whole code of Your sig with my suggestion:
<span class="moz-signature">-- <br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://defaria.com">Andrew DeFaria</a><br>
<small><font color="#999999">Big Bang is just a theory, while God is
just a baseless claim.</font></small></span>
Of course You may also style "moz-signature" span.
In my templates I use:
/* make signature look in all MUA like in TB */
.moz-signature { color: gray; }
.moz-signature a { color: #7777FF; }
best regards
--
Arivald
Paul Hartman
> I thought I had at one time addressed this and got it working by using the
> Stationary extension and by including CSS such as:
Starting in Outlook 2007 (and including Outlook 2010), they use MS
Word for the rendering, and basically you should give up using any
kind of modern HTML or CSS for Outlook people. :) It has been hell for
"e-mail marketers" and the web is full of sites telling you what you
can and cannot do in Outlook 2007 HTML. Google it and you'll see the
details.
A more simple solution would be to use plain text mode and then they
can see the >'s on each line.
You can also encourage your Outlook friends to switch to
plain-text-only mode and install the Outlook QuoteFix macro which will
give Outlook the ability to do proper quoting and indentation like
every other e-mail program that came before it. Good luck with that.
:) http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/macros4outlook/index.php?title=QuoteFix_Macro
Andrew DeFaria
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Andrew DeFaria<And...@defaria.com> wrote:
I thought I had at one time addressed this and got it working by using the Stationary extension and by including CSS such as:Starting in Outlook 2007 (and including Outlook 2010), they use MS Word for the rendering, and basically you should give up using any kind of modern HTML or CSS for Outlook people. :) It has been hell for "e-mail marketers" and the web is full of sites telling you what you can and cannot do in Outlook 2007 HTML. Google it and you'll see the details.
A more simple solution would be to use plain text mode and then they can see the >'s on each line.
You can also encourage your Outlook friends to switch to plain-text-only mode and install the Outlook QuoteFix macro which will give Outlook the ability to do proper quoting and indentation like every other e-mail program that came before it. Good luck with that. :) http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/macros4outlook/index.php?title=QuoteFix_Macro
Ray_Net
> Paul Hartman wrote:
> I predict, that probably until I retire, there will be more people use
> Outlook 2003 than 2007 for any client that hires me. IOW I ain't worried
> about Outlook 2007 nor Outlook 2010...
> I suppose I could use crayons or carrier pidgins too but I refuse to do
> that as well...
> Friends?!?! Who said anything about friends! I was talking about
> co-workers not friends. Co-workers have this annoying habit of going
> with whatever the establishment... Oops showing my age... going with
> whatever the company line is. They may even use TB at home but at work
> they use what they are told to use and don't make waves. Perhaps you've
> noticed this effect... If not you should get out more... It's all over
> the place!
The best way for you is to install Outlook and use it ... :-)
Andrew DeFaria
Friends?!?! Who said anything about friends! I was talking about co-workers not friends. Co-workers have this annoying habit of going with whatever the establishment... Oops showing my age... going with whatever the company line is. They may even use TB at home but at work they use what they are told to use and don't make waves. Perhaps you've noticed this effect... If not you should get out more... It's all over the place!The best way for you is to install Outlook and use it ... :-)
Bob Jamieson
> Ray_Net wrote:
>>> Friends?!?! Who said anything about friends! I was talking about
>>> co-workers not friends. Co-workers have this annoying habit of going
>>> with whatever the establishment... Oops showing my age... going with
>>> whatever the company line is. They may even use TB at home but at
>>> work they use what they are told to use and don't make waves. Perhaps
>>> you've noticed this effect... If not you should get out more... It's
>>> all over the place!
>> The best way for you is to install Outlook and use it ... :-)
> WTF? Why the hell would I do that? Outlook sucks.
> --
> I(nternal) R(evenue) S(ervice): We've got what it takes to take what
> you've got.
Then if you don't want to run with the herd, I guess you're just going
to have to tolerate it. Of course, you could always quit . . . my sense
is that those "annoying co-workers" might enjoy that.
--
Bob Jamieson
To reply to me via email, remove all the NOSPAM's
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
WTF? Why the hell would I do that? Outlook sucks.Friends?!?! Who said anything about friends! I was talking about co-workers not friends. Co-workers have this annoying habit of going with whatever the establishment... Oops showing my age... going with whatever the company line is. They may even use TB at home but at work they use what they are told to use and don't make waves. Perhaps you've noticed this effect... If not you should get out more... It's all over the place!The best way for you is to install Outlook and use it ... :-)
Then if you don't want to run with the herd, I guess you're just going to have to tolerate it. Of course, you could always quit . . . my sense is that those "annoying co-workers" might enjoy that.And WTF's your problem? No I don't want to run with the herd for running with the herd's sake. Do you? Apparently yes. Tolerate it! Hell I have been for years!!! If you were paying attention I was trying to make it better for Outlook users. WTF's wrong with that?
And I didn't say the coworkers were annoying rather that they have no balls - something you seem to be familiar with. It's an annoying habit they seem to possess - other than that they are quite pleasant.
My question to you is why are you here if you don't use TB?
Ray_Net
> Ray_Net wrote:
>>> Friends?!?! Who said anything about friends! I was talking about
>>> co-workers not friends. Co-workers have this annoying habit of going
>>> with whatever the establishment... Oops showing my age... going with
>>> whatever the company line is. They may even use TB at home but at
>>> work they use what they are told to use and don't make waves. Perhaps
>>> you've noticed this effect... If not you should get out more... It's
>>> all over the place!
>> The best way for you is to install Outlook and use it ... :-)
> WTF? Why the hell would I do that? Outlook sucks.
I say that because i am in the same position as yours.
When i want to sent mails for my co-workers, i use Outlook.
Otherwise, i use SeaMonkey which is similar with TB.
Ray_Net
Just to note that your signature is OK - (not appearing when i hit reply
on your post)
This is not the case with Andrew DeFaria :-)
Hello Andrew ... could you correct your signature ?
Terry R.
whim, Ray_Net pounded out on the keyboard:
Hi Ray,
The reason andrews sig isn't removed is because he posts in HTML and TB
doesn't remove the sig on an HTML post for some reason when replying in
plain text. Although it seems to when replying the same way.
Terry R.
--
Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
Ray_Net
Thanks - I have not thinked about this possibility.
BTW...
The best way of solving this "problem" could be that SM or TB when
replying *should* use the same option as the original post.
Andrew DeFaria
Again, my interest is not in making it work for OE as much as making it work for Outlook. Would it be possible to use say id's as in id="cite" or something like that? I suspect not because TB's not gonna emit <blockquote id="cite"> instead of <blockquote type="cite"> unless the extension can make TB do that. I'm not sure if it can. I've never<blockquote id="cite"> will not work anyway, ID value must be unique.
blockquote id=cite {
margin: 1em 0em 1em 0em !important;
padding: .25em .25em 0em .25em !important;
border-right: 2px solid blue !important;
border-left: 2px solid blue !important;
}
Seems to do the exact right thing. Previous cited quotes have quote
bars and indented or regular <blockquote> (i.e. what you get when you click on the indent icon or type Ctrl-])are simply indented.
BTW, please enclose Your HTML signature in <span class="moz-signature">.
When You do it, then TB will be able to automatically remove your signature from reply.
Whole code of Your sig with my suggestion:
<span class="moz-signature">-- <br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://defaria.com">Andrew DeFaria</a><br>
<small><font color="#999999">Big Bang is just a theory, while God is
just a baseless claim.</font></small></span>
Of course You may also style "moz-signature" span.
In my templates I use:
/* make signature look in all MUA like in TB */
.moz-signature { color: gray; }
.moz-signature a { color: #7777FF; }
<div class="moz-signature">-- <br><a href="http://defaria.com">Andrew DeFaria</a><br> <small><font color="#999999">I can't remember if I'm the good twin or the evil one.</font></small> </div>One difference is that you say use span but it already uses div. Note I'm not specifically typing in <div class="moz-signature"> rather either Thunderbird or Signature Switch is doing that.