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md5

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Apr 7, 2012, 11:53:55 AM4/7/12
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I suppose others are aware of this, but I just discovered that TB has a
handy feature for making a reply to part of a message only. If you
highlight just the part of a message you want to include in your reply, and
then click on Reply, only that highlighted part is put into the composition
window for your reply. That is nice. I don't have to first put the whole
original into it and then remove what I do not want. I accidentally
discovered this today, and was do delighted that I felt like sharing it.


Jay Garcia

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Apr 7, 2012, 12:00:57 PM4/7/12
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On 07.04.2012 10:53, md5 wrote:
Thanks, known feature for quite some time now called "Selective Quoting":

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Quote_only_selected_text_when_replying_-_Thunderbird

This feature can be disabled but I don't see any reason to do so simply
because if you want to do a full quote, just don't hilite anything. :-)

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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Apr 7, 2012, 12:38:07 PM4/7/12
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Long-time feature, and oft-used by me for both mail and news, but there
is one thing to consider as you make use of it. When select-quoting, you
are likely to lose the attributes that go with the parts you highlighted.
Reference: your recent reply to Mike Easter about a half-hour ago in the
"gpg signatures and threading" thread. There is no attribute declaring
"Mike Easter wrote:".

Have you considered using Thunderbird instead of Outlook Express to post
here?

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-This space for rent, but the price is high

md5

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Apr 7, 2012, 1:26:40 PM4/7/12
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On 4/7/2012 11:38 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> When select-quoting, you
> are likely to lose the attributes that go with the parts you highlighted.

I do not loose the attribute when doing so, as you can see by the above
example, which came right out of TB in the manner I described. Not sure why
it isn't working on yours, but it may be a good topic for discussion. :)
Thanks.


Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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Apr 7, 2012, 2:21:03 PM4/7/12
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Are you copy/pasting from Thunderbird into Outlook Express (with which
you are posting)? How do you explain that the attribute to Mike was
missing then?

Are you receiving these posts in Thunderbird, then copying to Outlook
Express to reply? Why not just use Thunderbird for the whole job?

I realize my response is all questions, and if you'd answer them we all
may have a better understanding of your quest.

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-bts
-Posted with Pan as I usually do

Peter Holsberg

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Apr 7, 2012, 4:35:43 PM4/7/12
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md5 has written on 4/7/2012 11:53 AM:
Works for printing, too.

»Q«

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Apr 8, 2012, 12:02:22 AM4/8/12
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You lose higher level attributions, unless they are part of what you
highlight before selecting 'reply'.

Jay Garcia

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Apr 8, 2012, 8:44:36 AM4/8/12
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On 07.04.2012 23:02, »Q« wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> You lose higher level attributions

Hiliting just that part of your reply above and invoking the reply, the
above attrirbute is preserved. What isn't preserved is the attribute
generated by "md5" and "Beauregard" in their particular replies. So yes,
those attributes are the ones lost.

»Q«

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Apr 8, 2012, 3:05:10 PM4/8/12
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 07:44:36 -0500
Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:

> On 07.04.2012 23:02, »Q« wrote:
>
> > You lose higher level attributions
>
> Hiliting just that part of your reply above and invoking the reply,
> the above attrirbute is preserved.

Not preserved, created when you invoked reply.

> What isn't preserved is the attribute generated by "md5" and
> "Beauregard" in their particular replies. So yes, those attributes
> are the ones lost.

Exactly.

md5

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Apr 8, 2012, 3:37:10 PM4/8/12
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On 4/8/2012 7:44 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 07.04.2012 23:02, »Q« wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> > You lose higher level attributions
> Hiliting just that part of your reply above and invoking the reply, the
> above attrirbute is preserved. What isn't preserved is the attribute
> generated by "md5" and "Beauregard" in their particular replies. So yes,
> those attributes are the ones lost.

Jay, I must not be seeing the same thing you are, but by selecting the above
text in your message and clicking Reply, I cannot see anything missing? What
exactly are you talking about with my missing attribute? This is just what I
said in my last reply, and there surely does not appear to be anything
missing in it. Obviously, if you do not select a part, it does not show up?
What else is there to say about it? Thanks. :)


Chris Ilias

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Apr 8, 2012, 4:11:55 PM4/8/12
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On 12-04-07 12:38 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> md5 wrote:
>
>> I suppose others are aware of this, but I just discovered that TB has a
>> handy feature for making a reply to part of a message only. If you
>> highlight just the part of a message you want to include in your reply,
>> and then click on Reply, only that highlighted part is put into the
>> composition window for your reply. That is nice. I don't have to first
>> put the whole original into it and then remove what I do not want. I
>> accidentally discovered this today, and was do delighted that I felt
>> like sharing it.
>
> Long-time feature, and oft-used by me for both mail and news, but there
> is one thing to consider as you make use of it. When select-quoting, you
> are likely to lose the attributes that go with the parts you highlighted.
> Reference: your recent reply to Mike Easter about a half-hour ago in the
> "gpg signatures and threading" thread. There is no attribute declaring
> "Mike Easter wrote:".

The "Author wrote" attribute is there. See
<http://ilias.ca/screencasts/selectquote.webm>.

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md5

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Apr 8, 2012, 5:19:10 PM4/8/12
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"Chris Ilias" <nm...@ilias.ca> wrote in message
news:RIydna6zQeSWbBzS...@mozilla.org...
>
> The "Author wrote" attribute is there. See
> <http://ilias.ca/screencasts/selectquote.webm>.
>
Hello, Chris. That animated web shot was pretty slick indeed. Can you point
me to a resource that explains how to do that? Thanks. :)


Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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Apr 8, 2012, 8:24:40 PM4/8/12
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No, there is not. I was referring to md5's then-recently posted reply to
Mike Easter in Message-ID: <P-2dnc-V4a6O-R3S...@mozilla.org>
"a half-hour ago in the "gpg signatures and threading" thread." Remember
also that md5 is using Outhouse Distress to post so your Thunderbird
screenshot is not relevant.

Jay Garcia

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Apr 8, 2012, 9:11:48 PM4/8/12
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On 08.04.2012 14:05, »Q« wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 07:44:36 -0500
> Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
>
>> On 07.04.2012 23:02, »Q« wrote:
>>
>> > You lose higher level attributions
>>
>> Hiliting just that part of your reply above and invoking the reply,
>> the above attrirbute is preserved.
>
> Not preserved, created when you invoked reply.

Well yes, sorta the function is preserved.

>> What isn't preserved is the attribute generated by "md5" and
>> "Beauregard" in their particular replies. So yes, those attributes
>> are the ones lost.
>
> Exactly.
>


Jay Garcia

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Apr 8, 2012, 9:13:09 PM4/8/12
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On 08.04.2012 14:37, md5 wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> Jay, I must not be seeing the same

Only the lead attribute is created, the attribute indicating a reply
from "Q" is missing.

md5

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Apr 9, 2012, 1:07:55 AM4/9/12
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On 4/8/2012 7:24 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> No, there is not. I was referring to md5's then-recently posted reply to
> Mike Easter

Yes, I believe you were mistaken when you said:
When select-quoting, you
are likely to lose the attributes that go with the parts you highlighted.
Reference: your recent reply to Mike Easter about a half-hour ago in the
"gpg signatures and threading" thread. There is no attribute declaring
"Mike Easter wrote:". The reason I say so is that I am not likely to loose
it at all unless I deliberately don't select it, in which case I am not
loosing it because I am not even picking it up. On the other hand, I
actually removed the parts I did not want in my response. So that is not
really the same as loosing it, is that not so? Maybe this is just irrelevant
semantics at this point too. The point is, plainly, if you select it, you
get it. It is not lost when you do it like that. "Outhouse" or not. :)



Chris Ilias

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Apr 9, 2012, 2:01:32 AM4/9/12
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WebM is a video format. The video I made was just very short and had no
audio.
To record the video, I used BB Flashback Express[1], exported to
uncompressed AVI file, then converted to webm with Free WebM Encoder[2].

[1]<http://www.bbsoftware.co.uk/BBFlashBack_FreePlayer.aspx>
[2]<http://webmsoft.com/free-webm-encoder.html>

Chris Ilias

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Apr 9, 2012, 2:21:43 AM4/9/12
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I'm not sure why you're referring to a post he made with OE, when he
said in his original post "I just discovered that TB has a handy feature..."

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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Apr 9, 2012, 5:21:42 AM4/9/12
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Of course, as you say, you must select any previous attributes in order
to have them retained in a partial quote. In the case of your reply to
Mike - out of the middle of a post - you do not show that Mike wrote what
you selected. That is a fault of OE, apparently, for a first-level quote.

If it is not there, it is lost.

The thing is, most people reading Usenet do not care for unattributed
quotes, so if your newsreader (OE) does not insert them, you should
attempt to do it manually.

--
-bts
-The word is "lose", not "loose".

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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Apr 9, 2012, 5:23:20 AM4/9/12
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All of his posts are made with OE, and that selected-quote post has a
missing attribute. I thought that was rather clear in my response.

Further, if more than the first level quote is a select-reply from the
middle of a post, the previous attribute is also lost, even in
Thunderbird. My point is to try to show that not having missing
attributes is important.

md5

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Apr 9, 2012, 2:22:46 PM4/9/12
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.non...@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:Pv-dnY-uQZK7Nx_S...@mozilla.org...
> md5 wrote:

[snip]

>> I actually removed the parts I did not want in my
>> response. So that is not really the same as loosing it, is that not so?


[snip]

>In the case of your reply to
> Mike - out of the middle of a post - you do not show that Mike wrote what
> you selected. That is a fault of OE, apparently, for a first-level quote.
>
[snip]

> The thing is, most people reading Usenet do not care for unattributed
> quotes, so if your newsreader (OE) does not insert them, you should
> attempt to do it manually.
>
.

Beauregard, I can see you are a detail-oriented person. So, I think you
should go back to above-mentioned quote and look at what I herein am showing
of it for you again. "I actually removed the parts I did not want...". In
other words, OE inserts them just fine. You may want to get more familiar
with other programs before attempting to make a comparison. I use several
for different purposes as you can see.

.

Also, I think "most" persons posting regularly in usenet are savvy enough to
follow a simple, start-up thread, such as the one that got you confused, to
see who said what without needing it repeated.


Jay Garcia

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Apr 9, 2012, 2:30:37 PM4/9/12
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On 09.04.2012 13:22, md5 wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> Also, I think "most" persons posting regularly in usenet are savvy enough to
> follow a simple, start-up thread, such as the one that got you confused, to
> see who said what without needing it repeated.

As far as I can tell, there is no reason to continue this thread as OE
functionality/features have nothing to do with the original post
regarding TB's selective-quote feature. Is there more that you need nelp
with as regards TB?

Jay Garcia

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Apr 9, 2012, 2:34:32 PM4/9/12
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On 09.04.2012 04:23, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> All of his posts are made with OE, and that selected-quote post has a
> missing attribute. I thought that was rather clear in my response.
>
> Further, if more than the first level quote is a select-reply from the
> middle of a post, the previous attribute is also lost, even in
> Thunderbird. My point is to try to show that not having missing
> attributes is important.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about as well as what OE has to
do with anything. I made it perfectly clear that when using
selective-quote, any attributes from previous replies in the reply that
is selective quoted do NOT contain those attributes. Only the attribute
created is the one when replying as if it were an original post.

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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Apr 9, 2012, 2:41:23 PM4/9/12
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md5 wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> md5 wrote:
> [snip]
>
>>> I actually removed the parts I did not want in my response. So that is
>>> not really the same as loosing it, is that not so?
>
> [snip]
>
>> In the case of your reply to
>> Mike - out of the middle of a post - you do not show that Mike wrote
>> what you selected. That is a fault of OE, apparently, for a first-level
>> quote.
>>
> [snip]
>
>> The thing is, most people reading Usenet do not care for unattributed
>> quotes, so if your newsreader (OE) does not insert them, you should
>> attempt to do it manually.
>
> Beauregard, I can see you are a detail-oriented person.

That's probably right.

> So, I think you
> should go back to above-mentioned quote and look at what I herein am
> showing of it for you again. "I actually removed the parts I did not
> want...". In other words, OE inserts them just fine.

So then you are saying you actually snipped the attributes. Okay...

> You may want to
> get more familiar with other programs before attempting to make a
> comparison. I use several for different purposes as you can see.

Not to worry. I used to use OE6, prior to this century. I also used to
use Windows but gave that up as well about six years ago.

> Also, I think "most" persons posting regularly in usenet are savvy
> enough to follow a simple, start-up thread, such as the one that got you
> confused, to see who said what without needing it repeated.

The reason for maintaining attributes is primarily because news posts do
not necessarily propagate in the exact chronological order, nor
completely, that they were written. People use different NNTP servers;
sometimes posts are missed, held up, or simply disappear. Without the
attributes, you may not know who said what.

I was never confused.

Chris Ilias

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Apr 9, 2012, 3:12:29 PM4/9/12
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It seems to me that you're using md5's helpful tip to point out your
issues with his previous posts where he used OE. Just because you're
using Pan, I don't think it would be fair to ignore your advice about TB.

I've you've got a problem with the format of someone's posts, that's
off-topic. Please take it to private email or mozilla.general. You
certainly shouldn't be hijacking their thread because of it.

Mercury

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Apr 10, 2012, 10:41:57 PM4/10/12
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On 4/8/2012 7:24 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
> Remember also that md5 is using Outhouse Distress to post so your
> Thunderbird screenshot is not relevant.
>

Reality Check! Maybe I am old-fashioned, or maybe it's just me, but I
have to consider it strange for someone with an obviously queer name
like "Beauregard Shagnasty" (shag nasty?) to make a derisive remark
about the name of someone or something else ("Outhouse"?), especially
when he obviously knows little about it to begin with. In fact, if I had
an embarrassing name like that, the least I would do is use a nickname
in my posts, say, something like this, B.Nasty. That way I could conceal
my real attribute from humorous jokes on me. I'm just saying. Indeed it
seems odd, n'est pas? ;)
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