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Jeffrey Kaplan
Dec 12, 2012, 12:55:05 PM12/12/12
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I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows. I found
one in the add-ons site, "Compose for Thunderbird", but it not only
does not work with newer version of TB, but it removes the ability to
create new messages.
The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
and the formatting screws up so I need to edit the output before
sending the email, and there is no apparent way to set all of the
selected text to a single font size, control spacing, etc. What starts
out as a block of text in one font, size and single-spaced comes out as
two or three font faces, two or three font sizes, and both
double-spaced and with extra blank spaces that are not editable before
and after each line.
--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection
"It's the jacket. It doesn't fit right, never did. I've taken it to
5 tailors, nobody get's it to fit just right. It pulls here, I tug
back there, it's itchy, I think I need a silk lining." (Sgt. Allen,
B5 "Voices Of Authority")
one in the add-ons site, "Compose for Thunderbird", but it not only
does not work with newer version of TB, but it removes the ability to
create new messages.
The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
and the formatting screws up so I need to edit the output before
sending the email, and there is no apparent way to set all of the
selected text to a single font size, control spacing, etc. What starts
out as a block of text in one font, size and single-spaced comes out as
two or three font faces, two or three font sizes, and both
double-spaced and with extra blank spaces that are not editable before
and after each line.
--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection
"It's the jacket. It doesn't fit right, never did. I've taken it to
5 tailors, nobody get's it to fit just right. It pulls here, I tug
back there, it's itchy, I think I need a silk lining." (Sgt. Allen,
B5 "Voices Of Authority")
Mike Easter
Dec 12, 2012, 1:11:05 PM12/12/12
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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows.
> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows.
> The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
> and the formatting screws up so I need to edit the output before
> sending the email, and there is no apparent way to set all of the
> selected text to a single font size, control spacing, etc. What starts
> out as a block of text in one font, size and single-spaced comes out as
> two or three font faces, two or three font sizes, and both
> double-spaced and with extra blank spaces that are not editable before
> and after each line.
Disclaimer: I (almost) never email html and I have (almost) zero
> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
> and the formatting screws up so I need to edit the output before
> sending the email, and there is no apparent way to set all of the
> selected text to a single font size, control spacing, etc. What starts
> out as a block of text in one font, size and single-spaced comes out as
> two or three font faces, two or three font sizes, and both
> double-spaced and with extra blank spaces that are not editable before
> and after each line.
experience with SeaMonkey.
I think that if I were interested in creating html email (and were
unhappy as you describe), I would consider SeaMonkey, which suite
includes a WYSIWYG html editor, Kompozer which must surely be compatible
with the SM mail composition transfer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey#Composer SeaMonkey Composer is a
WYSIWYG HTML editor. Its main user interface features four tabs: Normal
(WYSIWYG), HTML tags, HTML code, and browser preview. The generated code
is HTML 4.01 Transitional. As of version 1.1.13, SeaMonkey Composer
supports basic text formatting and styling, insertion of hyperlinks and
images, and the creation of tables. It does not support the addition of
form elements (text fields, check boxes, and buttons). SeaMonkey
Composer is scheduled to be updated with the release of KompoZer 0.8
which is currently under development.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KompoZer
In addition, there is a portable version of SM, so it isn't even
necessary to install SM to check it out and see if you like what it does.
--
Mike Easter
David Lechner
Dec 12, 2012, 1:19:59 PM12/12/12
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When I paste text like that, I usually use the paste w/o fomatting
function. Either right-click and select 'Paste Without Formatting' or
CTRL+SHIFT+V on the keyboard.
function. Either right-click and select 'Paste Without Formatting' or
CTRL+SHIFT+V on the keyboard.
Mike Easter
Dec 12, 2012, 1:24:01 PM12/12/12
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Mike Easter wrote:
editor nor for a cut and paste into an html composition as you describe.
I might use it for a word processor and .doc (or preferably .odt)
editor, altho' I would prefer a more advanced/newer choice such as
LibreOffice
--
Mike Easter
> Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>> The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
>> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
Disclaimers notwithstanding, MSWord07 would not be my choice of an html
>> The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
>> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
editor nor for a cut and paste into an html composition as you describe.
I might use it for a word processor and .doc (or preferably .odt)
editor, altho' I would prefer a more advanced/newer choice such as
LibreOffice
--
Mike Easter
Ron K.
Dec 12, 2012, 1:47:59 PM12/12/12
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Jeffrey Kaplan on 12/12/2012 12:55 PM, keyboarded a reply:
which demonstrated both compose-in-a-tab and feasibility to use an open
source project to replace the Mozilla Composer built in module. At the
time the TB Dev team was discussing issues around the need for a
maintained code package.
There are some other options for HTML editing by other addons. I have
installed EditHTML
--
Ron K.
Who is General Failure, and why is he searching my HDD?
Kernel Restore reported Major Error used BSOD to msg the enemy!
> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows. I found
> one in the add-ons site, "Compose for Thunderbird", but it not only
> does not work with newer version of TB, but it removes the ability to
> create new messages.
>
> The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
> and the formatting screws up so I need to edit the output before
> sending the email, and there is no apparent way to set all of the
> selected text to a single font size, control spacing, etc. What starts
> out as a block of text in one font, size and single-spaced comes out as
> two or three font faces, two or three font sizes, and both
> double-spaced and with extra blank spaces that are not editable before
> and after each line.
>
The "Compose for Thunderbird" addon is a unmaintained proof of concept
> one in the add-ons site, "Compose for Thunderbird", but it not only
> does not work with newer version of TB, but it removes the ability to
> create new messages.
>
> The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
> and the formatting screws up so I need to edit the output before
> sending the email, and there is no apparent way to set all of the
> selected text to a single font size, control spacing, etc. What starts
> out as a block of text in one font, size and single-spaced comes out as
> two or three font faces, two or three font sizes, and both
> double-spaced and with extra blank spaces that are not editable before
> and after each line.
>
which demonstrated both compose-in-a-tab and feasibility to use an open
source project to replace the Mozilla Composer built in module. At the
time the TB Dev team was discussing issues around the need for a
maintained code package.
There are some other options for HTML editing by other addons. I have
installed EditHTML
--
Ron K.
Who is General Failure, and why is he searching my HDD?
Kernel Restore reported Major Error used BSOD to msg the enemy!
Ron K.
Dec 12, 2012, 2:00:17 PM12/12/12
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Ron K. on 12/12/2012 1:47 PM, keyboarded a reply:
Oops, got sent before I finished.
EditHTML provides an enhanced HTML Raw view editor window that is larger
than the built in "Insert HTML" editor. The addon also empowers CSS
styling in the content <head> section which may bew useful for dealing
with MS Word .mso style rules. Also worth noting that Word encodes
using Quoted Printable, which may account for the line-spacing and
Word-spacing issues. The Raw edit view will let you see much of the Word
generated markup and which tags may need cleanup to establish generic
HTML-4 markup.
EditHTML provides an enhanced HTML Raw view editor window that is larger
than the built in "Insert HTML" editor. The addon also empowers CSS
styling in the content <head> section which may bew useful for dealing
with MS Word .mso style rules. Also worth noting that Word encodes
using Quoted Printable, which may account for the line-spacing and
Word-spacing issues. The Raw edit view will let you see much of the Word
generated markup and which tags may need cleanup to establish generic
HTML-4 markup.
Jeffrey Kaplan
Dec 12, 2012, 2:10:04 PM12/12/12
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Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Mike Easter said:
> >> The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
> >> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
>
> Disclaimers notwithstanding, MSWord07 would not be my choice of an html
> editor nor for a cut and paste into an html composition as you describe.
I'm not using Word as an HTML editor, I'm using it as a word processor.
> >> The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
> >> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
>
> Disclaimers notwithstanding, MSWord07 would not be my choice of an html
> editor nor for a cut and paste into an html composition as you describe.
It's what I am using to create the files being emailed, and I need top
copy/paste blocks of text from the file into the message body.
The files need to be .doc or .docx.
Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #211.
If my chief engineer displeases me, he will be shot, not imprisoned in
the dungeon or beyond the traps he helped design.
Jeffrey Kaplan
Dec 12, 2012, 2:25:23 PM12/12/12
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Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Ron K. said:
> EditHTML provides an enhanced HTML Raw view editor window that is larger
The closest I can find to that on the AddOns site is Edit HTML Source,
> EditHTML provides an enhanced HTML Raw view editor window that is larger
which hasn't been updated in seven years.
> than the built in "Insert HTML" editor. The addon also empowers CSS
> styling in the content <head> section which may bew useful for dealing
> with MS Word .mso style rules. Also worth noting that Word encodes
mail client so I can do mostly simple formatting commands as I type
and/or on blocks of text. Similar in function to how a basic document
editor works. I have no desire to get into tag editing in my email.
> using Quoted Printable, which may account for the line-spacing and
always have from the first time I heard of it when I was providing
support for Forte Agent.
"Torg, what's wrong?" "I felt a great disturbance in the Force. As
if a significant plot line suddenly cried out in terror... and was
suddenly silenced." - Zoe and Torg, Sluggy Freelance
Jeffrey Kaplan
Dec 12, 2012, 2:25:40 PM12/12/12
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shortcut as it's in use by my clipboard extender. :)
"We have danced our last little dance Mr. Morden. Now it's time for
you to go away!" (Amb. Mollari, B5 "Matters Of Honor")
WaltS
Dec 12, 2012, 2:33:13 PM12/12/12
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On 12/12/2012 02:25 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Ron K. said:
>
>> EditHTML provides an enhanced HTML Raw view editor window that is larger
>
> The closest I can find to that on the AddOns site is Edit HTML Source,
> which hasn't been updated in seven years.
>
>> than the built in "Insert HTML" editor. The addon also empowers CSS
>> styling in the content <head> section which may bew useful for dealing
>> with MS Word .mso style rules. Also worth noting that Word encodes
>
> I'm looking for a WYSIWYG message composition editor for use in the
> mail client so I can do mostly simple formatting commands as I type
> and/or on blocks of text. Similar in function to how a basic document
> editor works. I have no desire to get into tag editing in my email.
>
>> using Quoted Printable, which may account for the line-spacing and
>
> I did not know that, but in retrospect it makes sense. I hate Q-P, and
> always have from the first time I heard of it when I was providing
> support for Forte Agent.
>
The Stationary extension may do what you want.
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Ron K. said:
>
>> EditHTML provides an enhanced HTML Raw view editor window that is larger
>
> The closest I can find to that on the AddOns site is Edit HTML Source,
> which hasn't been updated in seven years.
>
>> than the built in "Insert HTML" editor. The addon also empowers CSS
>> styling in the content <head> section which may bew useful for dealing
>> with MS Word .mso style rules. Also worth noting that Word encodes
>
> I'm looking for a WYSIWYG message composition editor for use in the
> mail client so I can do mostly simple formatting commands as I type
> and/or on blocks of text. Similar in function to how a basic document
> editor works. I have no desire to get into tag editing in my email.
>
>> using Quoted Printable, which may account for the line-spacing and
>
> I did not know that, but in retrospect it makes sense. I hate Q-P, and
> always have from the first time I heard of it when I was providing
> support for Forte Agent.
>
<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/stationery/>
I just installed it, and it has Edit and Source tabs.
However, after installing it I started seeing two Thunderbird windows
opening where I only had one opening before installation.
--
Current State of Linux Email Clients
http://tinyurl.com/beec7x3
Ron K.
Dec 12, 2012, 2:43:31 PM12/12/12
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WaltS on 12/12/2012 2:33 PM, keyboarded a reply:
Bit by the session store bug. Use [alt][F4] to close the extra window,
close and restart TB. This seems to be the repair repeatedly suggested
in the group.
close and restart TB. This seems to be the repair repeatedly suggested
in the group.
WaltS
Dec 12, 2012, 2:47:25 PM12/12/12
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related.
Ron K.
Dec 12, 2012, 2:55:30 PM12/12/12
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Jeffrey Kaplan on 12/12/2012 2:25 PM, keyboarded a reply:
the developers site.
https://nic-nac-project.org/~kaosmos/index-en.html for secure page.
http://nic-nac-project.org/~kaosmos/index-en.html for un-secured.
You may get a Cert Miss-match error for the https page and will be up to
you to decide if you want to set an exception. The SSL feature was added
to the site when Mozilla went to digitally signed addons.
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Ron K. said:
>
>> EditHTML provides an enhanced HTML Raw view editor window that is larger
>
> The closest I can find to that on the AddOns site is Edit HTML Source,
> which hasn't been updated in seven years.
>
>> than the built in "Insert HTML" editor. The addon also empowers CSS
>> styling in the content <head> section which may bew useful for dealing
>> with MS Word .mso style rules. Also worth noting that Word encodes
>
> I'm looking for a WYSIWYG message composition editor for use in the
> mail client so I can do mostly simple formatting commands as I type
> and/or on blocks of text. Similar in function to how a basic document
> editor works. I have no desire to get into tag editing in my email.
>
>> using Quoted Printable, which may account for the line-spacing and
>
> I did not know that, but in retrospect it makes sense. I hate Q-P, and
> always have from the first time I heard of it when I was providing
> support for Forte Agent.
>
Since you did not find the EditHTML addon at AMO, here is the URL for
>
>> EditHTML provides an enhanced HTML Raw view editor window that is larger
>
> The closest I can find to that on the AddOns site is Edit HTML Source,
> which hasn't been updated in seven years.
>
>> than the built in "Insert HTML" editor. The addon also empowers CSS
>> styling in the content <head> section which may bew useful for dealing
>> with MS Word .mso style rules. Also worth noting that Word encodes
>
> I'm looking for a WYSIWYG message composition editor for use in the
> mail client so I can do mostly simple formatting commands as I type
> and/or on blocks of text. Similar in function to how a basic document
> editor works. I have no desire to get into tag editing in my email.
>
>> using Quoted Printable, which may account for the line-spacing and
>
> I did not know that, but in retrospect it makes sense. I hate Q-P, and
> always have from the first time I heard of it when I was providing
> support for Forte Agent.
>
the developers site.
https://nic-nac-project.org/~kaosmos/index-en.html for secure page.
http://nic-nac-project.org/~kaosmos/index-en.html for un-secured.
You may get a Cert Miss-match error for the https page and will be up to
you to decide if you want to set an exception. The SSL feature was added
to the site when Mozilla went to digitally signed addons.
Keith Nuttle
Dec 12, 2012, 3:03:24 PM12/12/12
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On 12/12/2012 12:55 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows. I found
> one in the add-ons site, "Compose for Thunderbird", but it not only
> does not work with newer version of TB, but it removes the ability to
> create new messages.
> I h
> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows. I found
> one in the add-ons site, "Compose for Thunderbird", but it not only
> does not work with newer version of TB, but it removes the ability to
> create new messages.
> The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
> and the formatting screws up so I need to edit the output before
> sending the email, and there is no apparent way to set all of the
> selected text to a single font size, control spacing, etc. What starts
> out as a block of text in one font, size and single-spaced comes out as
> two or three font faces, two or three font sizes, and both
> double-spaced and with extra blank spaces that are not editable before
> and after each line.
>
I assume you are composing your TB message in HTML.
> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
> and the formatting screws up so I need to edit the output before
> sending the email, and there is no apparent way to set all of the
> selected text to a single font size, control spacing, etc. What starts
> out as a block of text in one font, size and single-spaced comes out as
> two or three font faces, two or three font sizes, and both
> double-spaced and with extra blank spaces that are not editable before
> and after each line.
>
Even if you are, you may go to TB main Menu click View and select the
other option for HTML message composition.
I use Wordperfect and routinely do what you are doing and that TB Option
is set to "Original HTML"
If those options don't work have you considered printing the document as
a PDF file and using the highlight and comments features of Adobe Reader
X or XI to indicate things that are associated with sections of the
document.
Ron K.
Dec 12, 2012, 3:04:00 PM12/12/12
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WaltS on 12/12/2012 2:47 PM, keyboarded a reply:
window event.
> On 12/12/2012 02:43 PM, Ron K. wrote:
>> WaltS on 12/12/2012 2:33 PM, keyboarded a reply:
>>> On 12/12/2012 02:25 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>>>> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Ron K. said:
>>>>
>>>
>>> However, after installing it I started seeing two Thunderbird windows
>>> opening where I only had one opening before installation.
>>>
>>
>> Bit by the sessions store bug. Use [alt][F4] to close the extra window,
>> WaltS on 12/12/2012 2:33 PM, keyboarded a reply:
>>> On 12/12/2012 02:25 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>>>> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Ron K. said:
>>>>
>>>
>>> However, after installing it I started seeing two Thunderbird windows
>>> opening where I only had one opening before installation.
>>>
>>
>> close and restart TB. This seems to be the repair repeatedly suggested
>> in the group.
>>
>
>
> Did that, but did installing the extension cause the bug, or is it not
> related.
>
Your comment above suggests the addon install triggered the double
>> in the group.
>>
>
>
> Did that, but did installing the extension cause the bug, or is it not
> related.
>
window event.
Ron Hunter
Dec 12, 2012, 3:07:07 PM12/12/12
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On 12/12/2012 1:10 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Mike Easter said:
>
>>>> The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
>>>> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
>>
>> Disclaimers notwithstanding, MSWord07 would not be my choice of an html
>> editor nor for a cut and paste into an html composition as you describe.
>
> I'm not using Word as an HTML editor, I'm using it as a word processor.
> It's what I am using to create the files being emailed, and I need top
> copy/paste blocks of text from the file into the message body.
>
> The files need to be .doc or .docx.
>
Does Word have an export as text function? IF so, that might decrease
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Mike Easter said:
>
>>>> The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
>>>> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
>>
>> Disclaimers notwithstanding, MSWord07 would not be my choice of an html
>> editor nor for a cut and paste into an html composition as you describe.
>
> I'm not using Word as an HTML editor, I'm using it as a word processor.
> It's what I am using to create the files being emailed, and I need top
> copy/paste blocks of text from the file into the message body.
>
> The files need to be .doc or .docx.
>
the editing required.
WaltS
Dec 12, 2012, 3:12:38 PM12/12/12
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On 12/12/2012 03:04 PM, Ron K. wrote:
> WaltS on 12/12/2012 2:47 PM, keyboarded a reply:
>> On 12/12/2012 02:43 PM, Ron K. wrote:
>>> WaltS on 12/12/2012 2:33 PM, keyboarded a reply:
>>>> On 12/12/2012 02:25 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>>>>> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Ron K. said:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However, after installing it I started seeing two Thunderbird windows
>>>> opening where I only had one opening before installation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bit by the sessions store bug. Use [alt][F4] to close the extra window,
>>> close and restart TB. This seems to be the repair repeatedly suggested
>>> in the group.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Did that, but did installing the extension cause the bug, or is it not
>> related.
>>
>
> Your comment above suggests the addon install triggered the double
> window event.
>
>
Worked fine until the restart after installing the extension. Triggered
> WaltS on 12/12/2012 2:47 PM, keyboarded a reply:
>> On 12/12/2012 02:43 PM, Ron K. wrote:
>>> WaltS on 12/12/2012 2:33 PM, keyboarded a reply:
>>>> On 12/12/2012 02:25 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>>>>> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Ron K. said:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However, after installing it I started seeing two Thunderbird windows
>>>> opening where I only had one opening before installation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bit by the sessions store bug. Use [alt][F4] to close the extra window,
>>> close and restart TB. This seems to be the repair repeatedly suggested
>>> in the group.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Did that, but did installing the extension cause the bug, or is it not
>> related.
>>
>
> Your comment above suggests the addon install triggered the double
> window event.
>
>
it for me.
Dave Royal
Dec 12, 2012, 3:37:29 PM12/12/12
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:55:05 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows...
>
I have External Editor 1.0.0 from here:
http://globs.org/
I have it configured to use Bluefish. It seems to work with TB17 - but I
don't use it enough to know how well it works.
--
(Remove any numerics from my email address.)
> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows...
>
I have External Editor 1.0.0 from here:
http://globs.org/
I have it configured to use Bluefish. It seems to work with TB17 - but I
don't use it enough to know how well it works.
--
(Remove any numerics from my email address.)
Jeffrey Kaplan
Dec 12, 2012, 8:23:48 PM12/12/12
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Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Ron Hunter said:
> > The files need to be .doc or .docx.
> >
> Does Word have an export as text function? IF so, that might decrease
> the editing required.
You mean "save as"? Of course. But then what? Open the text file in
> > The files need to be .doc or .docx.
> >
> Does Word have an export as text function? IF so, that might decrease
> the editing required.
TextPad, and copying from there? That's more convoluted than copying
in Word, pasting into TextPad to remove formatting then copy-all and
paste into the email.
Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #9. I
will not include a self-destruct mechanism unless absolutely
necessary. If it is necessary, it will not be a large red button
labelled "Danger: Do Not Push". The big red button marked "Do Not
Push" will instead trigger a spray of bullets on anyone stupid enough
to disregard it. Similarly, the ON/OFF switch will not clearly be
labelled as such.
Jeffrey Kaplan
Dec 12, 2012, 8:39:00 PM12/12/12
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Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Keith Nuttle said:
> I assume you are composing your TB message in HTML.
HTML is on.
> I assume you are composing your TB message in HTML.
> Even if you are, you may go to TB main Menu click View and select the
> other option for HTML message composition.
on a composition window.
Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #189.
I will never tell the hero "Yes I was the one who did it, but you'll
never be able to prove it to that incompetent old fool." Chances are,
that incompetent old fool is standing behind the curtain.
Jeffrey Kaplan
Dec 12, 2012, 8:44:50 PM12/12/12
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Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Jeffrey Kaplan said:
> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows. I found
After reading the replies to date, and re-scouring the add on site,
> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows. I found
apparently what I'm looking for does not exist. Thanks to all who
replied and tried to help. It appears that the best solution put
forward is "paste without formatting" put forward by David Lechner,
unless I want to change email clients entirely.
DISCLAIMER: Intended for entertainment purposes only.
Keith Nuttle
Dec 12, 2012, 9:15:51 PM12/12/12
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On 12/12/2012 8:39 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Keith Nuttle said:
>
>> I assume you are composing your TB message in HTML.
>
> HTML is on.
>
>> Even if you are, you may go to TB main Menu click View and select the
>> other option for HTML message composition.
>
> I see no such option in my View menu, not in the main TB window and not
> on a composition window.
>
Sorry missed a stop it should be the following
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Keith Nuttle said:
>
>> I assume you are composing your TB message in HTML.
>
> HTML is on.
>
>> Even if you are, you may go to TB main Menu click View and select the
>> other option for HTML message composition.
>
> I see no such option in my View menu, not in the main TB window and not
> on a composition window.
>
In TB's main Menu: Click View.
In the View Drop down: Click "Message Bodies As" It is about 2/3 the
way to the bottom.
In "Message Bodies As" drop down you have three choices
Original HTML, Simple HTML, and Plain Text.
I was messing around the other day and some how Simple HTML got clicked
and things were not working properly. I went back and Clicked Original
HTML and things returned to normal. As I said I routinely copy from
WordPerfect to the TB's compose window.
Apparently what ever is click becomes the default for new e-mail messages.
This is different than when in a message window you go through the same
sequence in the message window menu.
Ron Hunter
Dec 13, 2012, 3:38:52 AM12/13/12
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On 12/12/2012 7:23 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Ron Hunter said:
>
>>> The files need to be .doc or .docx.
>>>
>> Does Word have an export as text function? IF so, that might decrease
>> the editing required.
>
> You mean "save as"? Of course. But then what? Open the text file in
> TextPad, and copying from there? That's more convoluted than copying
> in Word, pasting into TextPad to remove formatting then copy-all and
> paste into the email.
>
It used to be possible to insert text from a file into a message. I
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Ron Hunter said:
>
>>> The files need to be .doc or .docx.
>>>
>> Does Word have an export as text function? IF so, that might decrease
>> the editing required.
>
> You mean "save as"? Of course. But then what? Open the text file in
> TextPad, and copying from there? That's more convoluted than copying
> in Word, pasting into TextPad to remove formatting then copy-all and
> paste into the email.
>
don't know if that is still included as I haven't tried to do it in
years. It was cntrl-i if I remember correctly.
Jeffrey Kaplan
Dec 13, 2012, 12:04:11 PM12/13/12
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Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Keith Nuttle said:
> Sorry missed a stop it should be the following
>
> In TB's main Menu: Click View.
>
> In the View Drop down: Click "Message Bodies As" It is about 2/3 the
> way to the bottom.
>
> In "Message Bodies As" drop down you have three choices
> Original HTML, Simple HTML, and Plain Text.
Ah. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I am having this problem
> Sorry missed a stop it should be the following
>
> In TB's main Menu: Click View.
>
> In the View Drop down: Click "Message Bodies As" It is about 2/3 the
> way to the bottom.
>
> In "Message Bodies As" drop down you have three choices
> Original HTML, Simple HTML, and Plain Text.
in the message composition window. BTW, that is already on "Original
HTML". A view setting in the message reading window does (should) not
have no bearing on composition settings in the composition window.
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Keith Nuttle
Dec 13, 2012, 12:39:20 PM12/13/12
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On 12/13/2012 12:04 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Keith Nuttle said:
>
>> Sorry missed a stop it should be the following
>>
>> In TB's main Menu: Click View.
>>
>> In the View Drop down: Click "Message Bodies As" It is about 2/3 the
>> way to the bottom.
>>
>> In "Message Bodies As" drop down you have three choices
>> Original HTML, Simple HTML, and Plain Text.
>
> Ah. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I am having this problem
> in the message composition window. BTW, that is already on "Original
> HTML". A view setting in the message reading window does (should) not
> have no bearing on composition settings in the composition window.
>
No I did not miss the part about the Message Composition window. For me
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Keith Nuttle said:
>
>> Sorry missed a stop it should be the following
>>
>> In TB's main Menu: Click View.
>>
>> In the View Drop down: Click "Message Bodies As" It is about 2/3 the
>> way to the bottom.
>>
>> In "Message Bodies As" drop down you have three choices
>> Original HTML, Simple HTML, and Plain Text.
>
> Ah. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I am having this problem
> in the message composition window. BTW, that is already on "Original
> HTML". A view setting in the message reading window does (should) not
> have no bearing on composition settings in the composition window.
>
changing those options changed what I could paste and not paste into the
Message Composition window.
As I understand this sets the system default for all messages, while the
one in the composition windows just changes that window.
Jeffrey Kaplan
Dec 13, 2012, 3:06:04 PM12/13/12
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Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Keith Nuttle said:
> > Ah. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I am having this problem
> > in the message composition window. BTW, that is already on "Original
> > Ah. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I am having this problem
> > in the message composition window. BTW, that is already on "Original
> No I did not miss the part about the Message Composition window. For me
> changing those options changed what I could paste and not paste into the
> Message Composition window.
Ah, ok. IAC, I am already set to view "Original HTML".
> changing those options changed what I could paste and not paste into the
> Message Composition window.
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Dave Royal
Dec 14, 2012, 3:18:37 AM12/14/12
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:44:50 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Jeffrey Kaplan said:
>
>> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows. I found
>
> After reading the replies to date, and re-scouring the add on site,
> apparently what I'm looking for does not exist. Thanks to all who
> replied and tried to help. It appears that the best solution put
> forward is "paste without formatting" put forward by David Lechner,
> unless I want to change email clients entirely.
Just for my info, did you try 'External Editor' as I suggested? Could you
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Jeffrey Kaplan said:
>
>> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows. I found
>
> After reading the replies to date, and re-scouring the add on site,
> apparently what I'm looking for does not exist. Thanks to all who
> replied and tried to help. It appears that the best solution put
> forward is "paste without formatting" put forward by David Lechner,
> unless I want to change email clients entirely.
not install it, did it not do what you want, or was it not 'better'?
You can start an HTML message in TB then click 'Edit in external editor'
and it transfers the html enetered so far to that. You tell it what
editor to open.
You can then edit, paste, whatever with that editor, taking advantage of
it's syntax checking or whatever. When finished you switch it back to TB
to send it.
As I said, I don't use it much so it may have flaws, but when I do use it
it works OK - with Bluefish as editor anyway (in Linux).
Jeffrey Kaplan
Dec 14, 2012, 1:47:31 PM12/14/12
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Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Dave Royal said:
> Just for my info, did you try 'External Editor' as I suggested? Could you
> not install it, did it not do what you want, or was it not 'better'?
After looking at its description, I realized that an external editor is
> Just for my info, did you try 'External Editor' as I suggested? Could you
> not install it, did it not do what you want, or was it not 'better'?
not what I want, I want a replacement editor in the TB compose window.
> As I said, I don't use it much so it may have flaws, but when I do use it
> it works OK - with Bluefish as editor anyway (in Linux).
had to use the system Task Manager to close Thunderbird and reset the
options. Setting it to use TextPad, it does work, but then we're back
to tag editing vs just setting formatting options.
I'm not interested in editing HTML tags in email. Formatting messages
in email is like formatting documents, I want the Italic/Bold/etc
buttons, the font picker, the font size picker, etc. And I want it to
not screw up the formatting when I paste from Word with formatting.
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Roger Fink
Dec 15, 2012, 11:34:06 PM12/15/12
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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows. I
> I'm looking for a better editor for Thunderbird 17 in Windows. I
> found one in the add-ons site, "Compose for Thunderbird", but it not
> only does not work with newer version of TB, but it removes the
> ability to create new messages.
>
> only does not work with newer version of TB, but it removes the
> ability to create new messages.
>
> The basic problem: I frequently use copy/paste (from MS Word '07) to
> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
> copy portions of a document I'm emailing into the body of the email,
> and the formatting screws up so I need to edit the output before
> sending the email, and there is no apparent way to set all of the
> selected text to a single font size, control spacing, etc. What
> starts out as a block of text in one font, size and single-spaced
> comes out as two or three font faces, two or three font sizes, and
> both double-spaced and with extra blank spaces that are not editable
> before and after each line.
Not sure if this has been mentioned in the 30 or so previous responses, but
> sending the email, and there is no apparent way to set all of the
> selected text to a single font size, control spacing, etc. What
> starts out as a block of text in one font, size and single-spaced
> comes out as two or three font faces, two or three font sizes, and
> both double-spaced and with extra blank spaces that are not editable
> before and after each line.
one workaround would be to save your word document as a txt file, which
drops all formatting. Then just open up, copy, and paste.
Dave Royal
Dec 16, 2012, 4:45:41 AM12/16/12
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:47:31 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> I'm not interested in editing HTML tags in email. Formatting messages
> in email is like formatting documents, I want the Italic/Bold/etc
> buttons, the font picker, the font size picker, etc. And I want it to
> not screw up the formatting when I paste from Word with formatting.
Understood. Editing the tags is exactly what I /do/ use it for - often to
> I'm not interested in editing HTML tags in email. Formatting messages
> in email is like formatting documents, I want the Italic/Bold/etc
> buttons, the font picker, the font size picker, etc. And I want it to
> not screw up the formatting when I paste from Word with formatting.
get rid of unwanted html when doing 'edit as new'.
Jeffrey Kaplan
Dec 16, 2012, 1:24:54 PM12/16/12
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Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Roger Fink said:
> Not sure if this has been mentioned in the 30 or so previous responses, but
> one workaround would be to save your word document as a txt file, which
> drops all formatting. Then just open up, copy, and paste.
It was, but the suggestion for "paste without formatting" suits my
> Not sure if this has been mentioned in the 30 or so previous responses, but
> one workaround would be to save your word document as a txt file, which
> drops all formatting. Then just open up, copy, and paste.
workflow better.
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Roger Fink
Dec 16, 2012, 2:50:41 PM12/16/12
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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Roger Fink said:
>
>> Not sure if this has been mentioned in the 30 or so previous
>> responses, but one workaround would be to save your word document as
>> a txt file, which drops all formatting. Then just open up, copy, and
>> paste.
>
> It was, but the suggestion for "paste without formatting" suits my
> workflow better.
Better yet.
> Previously on mozilla.support.thunderbird, Roger Fink said:
>
>> Not sure if this has been mentioned in the 30 or so previous
>> responses, but one workaround would be to save your word document as
>> a txt file, which drops all formatting. Then just open up, copy, and
>> paste.
>
> It was, but the suggestion for "paste without formatting" suits my
> workflow better.
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