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Murray Reiss
Nov 22, 2011, 8:28:50 PM11/22/11
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I've just started using Thunderbird. I want to send an e-mail to a group.
When I enter the group's name & hit "send" I'm told it's not a valid e-mail
address. How do you send emails to groups?
thanks,
Murray
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When I enter the group's name & hit "send" I'm told it's not a valid e-mail
address. How do you send emails to groups?
thanks,
Murray
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WLS
Nov 22, 2011, 8:45:39 PM11/22/11
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That is the first requirement.
Then you need to subscribe to the newsgroup(s) you want to post messages to.
Then you have to select that newsgroup in your account, select Write and
compose your message.
http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/creating-newsgroup-account
You can't send emails from your email account to a newsgroup.
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Keith Nuttle
Nov 22, 2011, 8:52:49 PM11/22/11
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On 11/22/2011 8:28 PM, Murray Reiss wrote:
> I've just started using Thunderbird. I want to send an e-mail to a group.
> When I enter the group's name& hit "send" I'm told it's not a valid e-mail
> I've just started using Thunderbird. I want to send an e-mail to a group.
> address. How do you send emails to groups?
>
> thanks,
> Murray
>
I am going to make some assumptions:
>
> thanks,
> Murray
>
1) You have set up an account to a news server like Eternal-September.
2) You have subscribed to the newsgroup of interest. (Right click on
the News server account and subscribe to the desired newsgroup)
3) You have downloaded the list of current messages on the sever for the
group you are interested in.
If you are responding to a post, just hit the reply button on the
message window.
If you are sending a new message, open a new message form as you would
if you were sending email. Click the TO: window and select Newsgroup,
add the full name of the newsgroup, add a subject to your message, and
hit send.
If you have opened a specific newsgroup or click the desired newsgroup
in the account window; Creating a new message will automatically bring
up the proper information to send the email. A little confusing but if
you try it you will see what I mean.
Jay Garcia
Nov 22, 2011, 9:13:10 PM11/22/11
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On 22.11.2011 19:28, Murray Reiss wrote:
By "group" you probably mean a "list" of people since you mentioned "email"?
In your address book start a list and give the list a name like "mylist"
for example. Then, add the email addresses to the list.
When you bring up your mail composition window, enter the name of the
list in the To: field, such as "To:mylist", enter a subject and a
message and SEND.
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In your address book start a list and give the list a name like "mylist"
for example. Then, add the email addresses to the list.
When you bring up your mail composition window, enter the name of the
list in the To: field, such as "To:mylist", enter a subject and a
message and SEND.
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gla...@linuxuser.iam
Nov 22, 2011, 9:17:32 PM11/22/11
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On 11/23/2011 01:28 AM, Murray Reiss wrote:
> I've just started using Thunderbird. I want to send an e-mail to a group.
> When I enter the group's name & hit "send" I'm told it's not a valid e-mail
> address. How do you send emails to groups?
you need to define if you mean a 'group of friends' or a 'group of newsgroups'.
> I've just started using Thunderbird. I want to send an e-mail to a group.
> When I enter the group's name & hit "send" I'm told it's not a valid e-mail
> address. How do you send emails to groups?
most users of mozilla.support.thunderbird only know of one type of "group"
and that is "news groups". 8-D
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UCLAN
Nov 23, 2011, 1:23:35 AM11/23/11
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On 11/22/2011 5:28 PM, Murray Reiss wrote:
> I've just started using Thunderbird. I want to send an e-mail to a group.
> When I enter the group's name& hit "send" I'm told it's not a valid e-mail
> I've just started using Thunderbird. I want to send an e-mail to a group.
> address. How do you send emails to groups?
What kind of group? A Usenet newsgroup? A Yahoo mailing list group? Other?
Ray_Net
Nov 23, 2011, 3:08:57 AM11/23/11
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Murray Reiss wrote:
> I've just started using Thunderbird. I want to send an e-mail to a group.
> When I enter the group's name& hit "send" I'm told it's not a valid e-mail
> I've just started using Thunderbird. I want to send an e-mail to a group.
> address. How do you send emails to groups?
>
It's because you try to sent:
>
To: mozilla.support.thunderbird
instead of:
Newsgroup: mozilla.support.thunderbird
Mike Easter
Nov 23, 2011, 4:12:55 AM11/23/11
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Murray Reiss wrote:
> I've just started using Thunderbird. I want to send an e-mail to a group.
Tbird's addressbook calls an email group a 'list'.
> I've just started using Thunderbird. I want to send an e-mail to a group.
The gateway to Tbird support website is here
http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/home
Unfortunately the mozillazine knowledge-base is currently down again.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs Create and use a mailing
list (without typing the addresses one at a time)
There is also an article at about.com
How to Create a Mailing List in Mozilla Thunderbird, Mozilla or Netscape
http://email.about.com/od/mozillathunderbirdtips/qt/How_to_Create_a_Mailing_List_in_Mozilla_Thunderbird.htm
> When I enter the group's name& hit "send" I'm told it's not a valid e-mail
> address. How do you send emails to groups?
To email to a group of addresses with a single click, first create the
list. The best/easiest way to create the list is to already have the
individual addresses in an addressbook. Then when you are creating the
list you can simply enter the beginning of the address entry and the
list creation process will autocomplete the rest of the address.
From Tbird, opening the addressbook is Tools/ Address book or if the
view has the mail toolbar, there is an addressbook tool icon.
From the addressbook, starting a List entry is File/ New/ Mailing List
or if the view has the address book toolbar, there is a New List icon.
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Mike Easter
Nov 23, 2011, 4:26:13 AM11/23/11
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Mike Easter wrote:
to expose the addresses of your contacts to other people without the
explicit permission of each individual address to be giving that address
to anyone else.
If you email a group and you put the group list as created above into
the To: then each and every recipient will be seeing the addresses of
all of the other recipients, which is bad.
To prevent that exposure, as a general rule the group list should be put
into the BCC instead of the To or CC.
That strategy by itself does not provide the nicety of populating the To
with something, which something I think should identify in some way the
group of recipients.
Another problem with emailing a group is that such behavior is often
associated with what some people refer to as 'social spam' which is so
termed because a great many of the recipients of such mails did not
request the group mail and do not want the group mail, in spite of the
assumptions of group list social 'spammer'.
So, social spamming is also poor netiquette.
It is a double-dose of poor netiquette to email a group of addressees an
email missive they don't want to receive while exposing the addresses of
all of the other group to each other.
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Mike Easter
> Murray Reiss wrote:
>> I want to send an e-mail to a group.
>> I want to send an e-mail to a group.
>> How do you send emails to groups?
>
> To email to a group of addresses with a single click, first create the
> list.
One of the problems with emailing a group is that it is poor netiquette
>
> To email to a group of addresses with a single click, first create the
> list.
to expose the addresses of your contacts to other people without the
explicit permission of each individual address to be giving that address
to anyone else.
If you email a group and you put the group list as created above into
the To: then each and every recipient will be seeing the addresses of
all of the other recipients, which is bad.
To prevent that exposure, as a general rule the group list should be put
into the BCC instead of the To or CC.
That strategy by itself does not provide the nicety of populating the To
with something, which something I think should identify in some way the
group of recipients.
Another problem with emailing a group is that such behavior is often
associated with what some people refer to as 'social spam' which is so
termed because a great many of the recipients of such mails did not
request the group mail and do not want the group mail, in spite of the
assumptions of group list social 'spammer'.
So, social spamming is also poor netiquette.
It is a double-dose of poor netiquette to email a group of addressees an
email missive they don't want to receive while exposing the addresses of
all of the other group to each other.
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Mike Easter
Ron Hunter
Nov 23, 2011, 6:02:12 AM11/23/11
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appears in the address is 'undisclosed recipients'. I would rather it
display the name she has given the group.
Rude, or not, I really like seeing the addresses so that I can harvest
emails for old friends, and out of touch family members. I do have a
few friends who request their address not be displayed, but they are
rather few, and far between. I do try to honor their requests, usually
by just copying the text of the email and sending it to them only.
Greywolf
Nov 23, 2011, 10:43:15 AM11/23/11
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On 22/11/2011 8:45 PM, WLS wrote:
[...]
OTOH, you can send an e-mail from an NG account to anyone in your
address book.
Wolf K.
[...]
> You can't send emails from your email account to a newsgroup.
>
Even though TB uses the e-mail client to do so.... ;-)
>
OTOH, you can send an e-mail from an NG account to anyone in your
address book.
Wolf K.
Jay Garcia
Nov 23, 2011, 10:52:21 AM11/23/11
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On 23.11.2011 09:43, Greywolf wrote:
--- Original Message ---
--- Original Message ---
> On 22/11/2011 8:45 PM, WLS wrote:
> [...]
>> You can't send emails from your email account to a newsgroup.
>>
>
> Even though TB uses the e-mail client to do so.... ;-)
It uses the newsreader component of the client, not the email component. 8-)
> [...]
>> You can't send emails from your email account to a newsgroup.
>>
>
> Even though TB uses the e-mail client to do so.... ;-)
> OTOH, you can send an e-mail from an NG account to anyone in your
> address book.
while logged into the news server account.
But if you right-click on a news message you can only "reply to sender",
not anyone in the address book unless you change the To: field. Seems an
awful waste tho.
> Wolf K.
Mike Easter
Nov 23, 2011, 11:10:11 AM11/23/11
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Ron Hunter wrote:
which has a descriptive name for the group list and to populate that
'group contact name' with the address of the list sender.
Then the description of the group will appear in the To instead of
undisclosed recipients but all of the list members are hidden in the BCC.
In addition to doing that, when I send a group mail to several friends
who know each others names, in the body of the mail I put 'sent to' and
give the names of the friends so that the other friends will know who
all I sent the mail to.
I don't like it when someone sends me an email saying Undisclosed
recipients that they sent to some of their other friends I know but not
others and I don't know who got the mail and who didn't.
There are many netiquette nuances to this 'group list' business.
> Rude, or not, I really like seeing the addresses so that I can harvest
> emails for old friends, and out of touch family members.
I understand the concept, and sometimes 'in the balance of things', the
exposure of private information to some other has value that is
'unexpected' such as when someone dies and having some of their private
information works to a benefit that they didn't expect.
> I do have a few friends who request their address not be displayed,
> but they are rather few, and far between.
That is because their are ten or more people for every one who makes
such a request who wish that you didn't expose their address, but don't
want to say so.
Most of my friends consider it rude to give group list senders advice
about how to address their social spam re such as To and BCC. They also
consider it rude to tell some friend who is a real pest about forwarding
them social spam crap they don't want, so they just abide it without
requesting anything.
> I do try to honor their requests, usually by just
> copying the text of the email and sending it to them only.
IMO you are doing it wrong/ly.
I think we are still ontopic for Tbird and its addressbook.
--
Mike Easter
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> One of the problems with emailing a group is that it is poor netiquette
>> to expose the addresses of your contacts to other people without the
>> explicit permission of each individual address to be giving that address
>> to anyone else.
>> One of the problems with emailing a group is that it is poor netiquette
>> to expose the addresses of your contacts to other people without the
>> explicit permission of each individual address to be giving that address
>> to anyone else.
>> To prevent that exposure, as a general rule the group list should be put
>> into the BCC instead of the To or CC.
>>
>> That strategy by itself does not provide the nicety of populating the To
>> with something, which something I think should identify in some way the
>> group of recipients.
>> into the BCC instead of the To or CC.
>>
>> That strategy by itself does not provide the nicety of populating the To
>> with something, which something I think should identify in some way the
>> group of recipients.
> My wife has some mailing lists set up, and they are all Bcc lists. What
> appears in the address is 'undisclosed recipients'. I would rather it
> display the name she has given the group.
A useful method for solving that problem is to create a new contact
> appears in the address is 'undisclosed recipients'. I would rather it
> display the name she has given the group.
which has a descriptive name for the group list and to populate that
'group contact name' with the address of the list sender.
Then the description of the group will appear in the To instead of
undisclosed recipients but all of the list members are hidden in the BCC.
In addition to doing that, when I send a group mail to several friends
who know each others names, in the body of the mail I put 'sent to' and
give the names of the friends so that the other friends will know who
all I sent the mail to.
I don't like it when someone sends me an email saying Undisclosed
recipients that they sent to some of their other friends I know but not
others and I don't know who got the mail and who didn't.
There are many netiquette nuances to this 'group list' business.
> Rude, or not, I really like seeing the addresses so that I can harvest
> emails for old friends, and out of touch family members.
exposure of private information to some other has value that is
'unexpected' such as when someone dies and having some of their private
information works to a benefit that they didn't expect.
> I do have a few friends who request their address not be displayed,
> but they are rather few, and far between.
such a request who wish that you didn't expose their address, but don't
want to say so.
Most of my friends consider it rude to give group list senders advice
about how to address their social spam re such as To and BCC. They also
consider it rude to tell some friend who is a real pest about forwarding
them social spam crap they don't want, so they just abide it without
requesting anything.
> I do try to honor their requests, usually by just
> copying the text of the email and sending it to them only.
I think we are still ontopic for Tbird and its addressbook.
--
Mike Easter
WLS
Nov 23, 2011, 11:16:01 AM11/23/11
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I did try posting to the mozilla.test newsgroup using To: from my email
account. An Invalid Recipient Address warning pops up with this message.
mozilla.test is not a valid e-mail address because it is not of the form
user@host. You must correct it before sending the e-mail.
Using Newsgroup: I get a Newsgroups Not Supported pop up with this message.
This account only supports email recipients. Continuing will ignore
newsgroups.
It would be nice if Murray would report back, and clarify his problem.
Does he want to send email to a group of recipients, or post to a newsgroup?
Greywolf
Nov 25, 2011, 11:54:02 AM11/25/11
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On 23/11/2011 11:16 AM, WLS wrote:
> On 11/23/2011 10:43 AM, Greywolf wrote:
>> > On 22/11/2011 8:45 PM, WLS wrote:
>> > [...]
>>> >> You can't send emails from your email account to a newsgroup.
>>> >>
>> >
>> > Even though TB uses the e-mail client to do so....;-)
>> >
>> > OTOH, you can send an e-mail from an NG account to anyone in your
>> > address book.
>> >
>> > Wolf K.
> Never tried doing that.
I've done it by accident, just clicked on the address in the address
> On 11/23/2011 10:43 AM, Greywolf wrote:
>> > On 22/11/2011 8:45 PM, WLS wrote:
>> > [...]
>>> >> You can't send emails from your email account to a newsgroup.
>>> >>
>> >
>> > Even though TB uses the e-mail client to do so....;-)
>> >
>> > OTOH, you can send an e-mail from an NG account to anyone in your
>> > address book.
>> >
>> > Wolf K.
> Never tried doing that.
book while I was in the NG. Just now, I did it deliberately. You'll note
that it also showed up here: "Test e-mail from NG".
When TB sends a message, whether e-mail or to a NG, a "Connected to
smtp..." comes up, then "Delivering message" with a progress bar. That's
why I think TB uses the same client for both e-mail and NGs.
HTH,
Wolf K.
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