Filter-problem: set "junk-status" does not work

Torsten Villnow

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Jun 14, 2014, 8:30:29 AM6/14/14

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I have a filter which scans incoming mail for various content and then

1. sets the junk-status to "junk"
2. moves the mail to the junk-folder

The move to the junk-folder works fine, but the mails never carry the
junk-indicator. I then always have to assign this status manually in the
junk-folder.

Is this a known problem?

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WaltS48

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Jun 14, 2014, 8:53:30 AM6/14/14

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Is this a custom filter?

In my filter creation dialog window I see "Filter before Junk
Classification" and "Filter after Junk Classification", no way to scan
for content in the body of a message.

I also don't see an Action to set the status to "Junk" in the filter
creation dialog.

Are you using an extension?

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Torsten Villnow

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Jun 14, 2014, 9:36:20 AM6/14/14

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Am 14.06.2014 14:53, schrieb WaltS48:
> Is this a custom filter?

I am not sure what a "custom" filter is compared to a "normal" filter,
which I can create from the menu.

> In my filter creation dialog window I see "Filter before Junk
> Classification" and "Filter after Junk Classification", no way to scan
> for content in the body of a message.

I can do this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2se8eg4ju0m5iji/TB%20Junk-Filter.jpg

It's the German version of TB (V24.6.0), where "Inhalt" means body content.

> I also don't see an Action to set the status to "Junk" in the filter
> creation dialog.

It's there, please see above.

> Are you using an extension?

I have a few, but nothing related to filters. I disabled all to be on
the safe side.

As you don't see what I have I am wondering what causes the difference
(I am using TB 24.6.0).

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WaltS48

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Jun 14, 2014, 9:59:03 AM6/14/14

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Sigh. I was looking in the wrong place, filters for newsgroups, instead
of filters for email. Learned there is a difference in filter creation
today.

Sorry, I have no idea why your filter isn't working.

Somebody should be along with some ideas.

Torsten Villnow

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Jun 14, 2014, 11:35:41 AM6/14/14

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Am 14.06.2014 14:30, schrieb Torsten Villnow:
> I have a filter which scans incoming mail for various content and then
>
> 1. sets the junk-status to "junk"
> 2. moves the mail to the junk-folder
>
> The move to the junk-folder works fine, but the mails never carry the
> junk-indicator. I then always have to assign this status manually in the
> junk-folder.

I tested this now on another machine, and the junk-status gets set
correctly. Then I temporarily copied that profile to my main PC, and now
the junk-status gets also set correctly.

So obviously something is screwed within the TB profile.

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VanguardLH

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Jun 14, 2014, 7:59:05 PM6/14/14

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I don't have such a rule defined but I'm wondering if the Junk flag
isn't tied to whether or not you enabled Junk filtering on the account
through which the e-mail was received. None of my accounts use Tbird's
non-configurable Bayesian junk filter. Yet if you wanted to flag a
message as Junk, maybe that means you are identifying it to Tbird's junk
filter to register [some keywords in] the message as spam or ham? I
don't think simply moving a message (manually or by rule) is going to
update Tbird's junk filter to register the message as spam.

Torsten Villnow

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Jun 15, 2014, 6:26:19 AM6/15/14

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Am 15.06.2014 01:59, schrieb VanguardLH:
> Yet if you wanted to flag a
> message as Junk, maybe that means you are identifying it to Tbird's junk
> filter to register [some keywords in] the message as spam or ham?

Yes, that's the purpose. Since a couple of weeks I've been receiving
several mails daily, always from obviously the same originator (as the
mails have a very similar structure), with advertising cars, coatings,
and other stuff. Such mails get not yet marked automatically as junk,
neither by my mail hoster nor by TB's own detection engine.

> I don't think simply moving a message (manually or by rule) is going to
> update Tbird's junk filter to register the message as spam.

That's right, and therefore I have tried to mark them as junk with the
filter and move them to the junk folder solely for the purpose to check
the mails there from time to time on false positives.

BTW, I now created a new profile, have moved all stuff from the current
one, and now the function to set the junk status works just fine.

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VanguardLH

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Jun 15, 2014, 3:22:11 PM6/15/14

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Still curious.

"wondering if the Junk flag isn't tied to whether or not you enabled
Junk filtering on the account through which the e-mail was received"

You created a new profile and presumably created new accounts in it that
matched your old accounts. Was junk filtering enabled in your old
profile on those accounts?

Torsten Villnow

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Jun 16, 2014, 10:59:44 AM6/16/14

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Am 15.06.2014 21:22, schrieb VanguardLH:
> You created a new profile and presumably created new accounts in it that
> matched your old accounts. Was junk filtering enabled in your old
> profile on those accounts?

Yes, it was enabled. I don't worry any more, what finally had caused the
problem, as it is gone now with the new profile.

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VanguardLH

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Jun 16, 2014, 11:16:09 PM6/16/14

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Well, that eliminates the possibility that the junk flag was tied to the
junk filtering function. Thanks for replying.