Signatures and "Double Dashes"
ChinaLamb
It appears that whenever I put a signature on my email, that double dashes
appear.
This is a critical issue that will determine whether I use thunderbird or
not. I do not want those double dashes in my email. How do I keep
thunderbird from putting them into new emails?
Thank you.
/cl
David E. Ross
The "-- " (dash-dash-space) is per Section 4.3 of RFC 3676. Someday,
this might actually become an Internet standard.
However, Section 4.3 applies only to newsgroup messages, not E-mail
messages. Perhaps a "request for enhancement" (RFE) bug report should
be written to request this be optional for E-mail.
--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>
Go to Mozdev at <http://www.mozdev.org/> for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
Leonidas Jones
These "double dashes", actually a "dash dash space" is the sig
delimiter. This what tells a standards compliant client to strip the
signature from replies, so it doesn't keep showing up in quotes. It can
be very annoying to see the same sig file showing up over and over again
in the same thread. Here is an article which explains its importance:
http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/2007/06/signature_blocks_and_netiquett.html
Knowing this, why do you even want to eliminate it?
Lee
ChinaLamb
1) I see no mention of this "-- " in the
http://www.email-standards.org/acid-test/ AND, no other client in the list
does this as mandatory (at least that I am aware of).
2) I see no mention of this in the http://www.imc.org/mail-standards.html
3) According to the "Good NetKeeping Seal of Approval" website, this appears
to apply to newsreaders. I don't see the GNKSA as even claiming to be an
email standards organization on their website.
4) I have worked in internet businesses for 15 years and never saw this in
emails till I started using Thunderbird.
5) My customers have never seen it and ask me what it is - I don't want to
be explaining this.
6) I want "sincerely, [my name] in the signature, But - this shows that I
did not spend the time to write my own closing since the sincerely is below
the "--", If it has to be in there, let me decide to put my name in the sig,
and the -- afterwards.
7) I dont want ANYTHING in the email that I did not type myself.
8) I don't want my email client telling me how to be "nice" (as it defines
"nice") in writing my emails.
9) I cannot believe that the email client going for being the best and
easiest to use would force this on the users. Let the user decide which
netiquette issues he is going to adopt. Therefore it should be optional.
10) For me, since I cannot turn it off and the above reasons I will
immediately switch back to Windows Mail - at least I have control of the
message and esp. #6 above.
That being said, why would anyone want to make the "-- " mandatory?
"Leonidas Jones" <leonid...@netscape.net> wrote in message
ChinaLamb
track" document, this applies to usnet messages.
Excuse my frankness, but Thunderbird should not have made this mandatory in
their mail client, and as such, it makes their mail client force "non
standard" criteria on the users. I have no patience to figure out how to
submit a change request. Besides, my experience has been that even if it is
accepted (not likely), the change won't be made for months to a year later.
I am not going to wait, I am simply going to move to a different email
client that doesn't force this on me.
4.3. Usenet Signature Convention
There is a long-standing convention in Usenet news which also
commonly appears in Internet mail of using "-- " as the separator
line between the body and the signature of a message. When
generating a Format=Flowed message containing a Usenet-style
separator before the signature, the separator line is sent as-is.
This is a special case; an (optionally quoted or quoted and stuffed)
line consisting of DASH DASH SP is neither fixed nor flowed.
Ron Hunter
Stick to OE. It is non-standard, and that appears to be what you want.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
why would you want to change?
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Vic Garcia
> On 22.03.2008 08:52, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Ron Hunter to
> generate the following:? :
>
> which proves - by your own words - that you are a lazy slob who wants
> the application to do things for you (here, insert your closing lines)
> but you are so insincere with your co-respondents that you want them to
> THINK that you actually wrote thoes lines FOR THEM PERSONALLY??
>
> do I understand your dilemma correctly??
>
> reg
And if you read #10 - Windows Mail -, no Office Outlook, or other
Enterprise mail program, I doubt the veracity of #4 and #5.
Keith Latham
I cannot comprehend what you are saying in #6.
Are you saying that most people don't understand that email programs can
insert signature lines? That you think people expect you to personally
type each signature character everytime you write a note?
Go ahead and type your signature each time you do a post and turn off
insertion of signature. What is your problem with that?
If you are happy with OE, why are you comtemplating change?
David E. Ross
The question is: Why is an NNTP RFC being used to justify an E-mail
feature? Section 4.3 of RFC 3676 is titled "Usenet Signature
Convention", not "Message Signature Convention" or "E-Mail/NNTP
Signature Convention".
NNTP and E-mail are indeed different in many ways. Even Thuderbird has
differences in functionality between accounts for mail servers and
account for NNTP servers.
Mozilla
dashes. Why not try to get this "newsgroup" feature removed from the email
side of the program?
Mozilla
Just because I am trying Thunderbird and OE, doesn't preclude that I don't
use any other program or separate my accounts by mail program. However, the
issue in this case is not what email clients I prefer or how many of them I
use.
The issue is that Thunderbird, in this case, is pushing a non standard on
mail users.
"Vic Garcia" <VicG...@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a-CdnWwxzY8Bcnna...@mozilla.org...
Marko Jotic
Marko Jotic
"Common sense is anything but common".
From the notebooks of Lazarus Long. Robert A. Heinlein.
Handmade knives, antique designs, exotic materials at
http://www.knifeforging.com/
Leonidas Jones
Then I strongly suggest that you continue to use Microsoft products.
Lee
Vic Garcia
> I do in fact use another enterprise mail program for my other business.
> Just because I am trying Thunderbird and OE, doesn't preclude that I
> don't use any other program or separate my accounts by mail program.
> However, the issue in this case is not what email clients I prefer or
> how many of them I use.
>
> The issue is that Thunderbird, in this case, is pushing a non standard
> on mail users.
>
Verbatim copy of your post:
" 10) For me, since I cannot turn it off and the above reasons I will
immediately switch back to Windows Mail - at least I have control of
the message and esp. #6 above."
So you admit you were using 'Windows Mail', in fact, your first posts
were generated on WM, then for this one, you switched to 'Windows Live
Mail' .... a worse choice for a business person.
I stand by my words. I doubt your story.
Ron Hunter
No, it is pushing the STANDARD, which you refuse to acknowledge. So
don't use TB.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Mozilla
To do so, I quote David Ross:
The question is: Why is an NNTP RFC being used to justify an E-mail
feature? Section 4.3 of RFC 3676 is titled "Usenet Signature
Convention", not "Message Signature Convention" or "E-Mail/NNTP
Signature Convention".
NNTP and E-mail are indeed different in many ways. Even Thuderbird has
differences in functionality between accounts for mail servers and
account for NNTP servers.
--
David E. Ross
> No, it is pushing the STANDARD, which you refuse to acknowledge. So
Melchert Fruitema
> This will be my last email in this unfriendly forum.
>
> To do so, I quote David Ross:
> The question is: Why is an NNTP RFC being used to justify an E-mail
> feature? Section 4.3 of RFC 3676 is titled "Usenet Signature
> Convention", not "Message Signature Convention" or "E-Mail/NNTP
> Signature Convention".
>
> NNTP and E-mail are indeed different in many ways. Even Thuderbird has
> differences in functionality between accounts for mail servers and
> account for NNTP servers.
>
--
Kind regards,
Melchert
Alex K.
> I have no patience to figure out how to submit a change request.
There is a simple feedback form, here:
http://hendrix.mozilla.org/
Its not formal, like the BUG/RFE process, but you can submit your
comments/observations/suggestions, and, as I understand it, they will be
seen by the developers.
--
Alex K.
Mozilla
I am not that emotionally invested in my email program to make it a point of
argument.
"Melchert Fruitema" <mel.n...@hccnet.ppppmf> wrote in message
news:u-OdnVBFgqidgHva...@mozilla.org...
Mozilla
Thank you.
"Alex K." <akfr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Andrew DeFaria
Argument???
I am not that emotionally invested in my email program to make it a point of argument.
Oh, and BTW, why are you using the email convention of top posting in this obvious non-email medium? Practice what you preach! BTW don't answer that question as that would cause you to violate your statement yet again.
And don't let the door smack you on the ass as you leave....
Another unsatisfied customer...
Chris Ilias
> I do in fact use another enterprise mail program for my other business.
> Just because I am trying Thunderbird and OE, doesn't preclude that I
> don't use any other program or separate my accounts by mail program.
> However, the issue in this case is not what email clients I prefer or
> how many of them I use.
>
> The issue is that Thunderbird, in this case, is pushing a non standard
> on mail users.
The answer to your original post is: No, it cannot be prevented from
being automatically added, when you open a message compose window; but
you can remove it manually.
If you want to argue why it shouldn't be added, this isn't the place.
There is already a bug filed for this in bugzilla
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58406>.
You should read through it. If you wish to add anything to the bug,
please read the bugzilla etiquette page beforehand
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=etiquette.html>.
If you want to be kept in touch on that bug's progress, you can add your
address to the CC list on the bug.
And I don't see why you decided to change your posting ID. If you care
to explain, please reply to my email address, not the newsgroup, with a
valid return address, so I can reply back.
--
Chris Ilias <http://ilias.ca>
List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia
Irwin Greenwald
forum." How come you're still posting?
I certainly won't miss someone who refuses to follow the conventions
here by repeatedly top posting.
--
Irwin
Please do not use my email address to make requests for help.
Knowledge Base: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Main_Page
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> On 3/22/08 12:21 PM, _Mozilla_ spoke thusly:
> to explain, please reply to my email address, not the newsgroup, with a
> valid return address, so I can reply back.
what's it any concern of yours? If he wants to change his ID
then thats up to him and not you. And, above all, he
doesn't have to report back to you explaining why he did it.
Stop being a bully.
Followup set to the mozilla.general group.
--
*IMPORTANT*: Sorry folks, but I cannot provide email
help!!!! Emails to me may become public
Notice: This posting is protected under the Free Speech
Laws, which applies everywhere, except for some strange
reason, not to the mozilla.org servers, where you may get
banned.
Peter Potamus & His Magic Flying Balloon:
http://www.toonopedia.com/potamus.htm
Mozilla
Unfortunately this has been in the system almost 8 years - since 2000.
My ID changed when I changed email clients again. Still looking for one. :D
"Chris Ilias" <n...@ilias.ca> wrote in message
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Ron Hunter
> This will be my last email in this unfriendly forum.
>
> To do so, I quote David Ross:
> The question is: Why is an NNTP RFC being used to justify an E-mail
> feature? Section 4.3 of RFC 3676 is titled "Usenet Signature
> Convention", not "Message Signature Convention" or "E-Mail/NNTP
> Signature Convention".
>
> NNTP and E-mail are indeed different in many ways. Even Thuderbird has
> differences in functionality between accounts for mail servers and
> account for NNTP servers.
>
just as valid for email as for newsgroups. Yes, there are differences,
but in order to suppress those lengthy signature blocks some users seem
to love, I believe application of the NNTP standard to email is a
rational, and beneficial approach. Feel free to disagree, and to use
whatever software serves you needs, and wants best.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
David E. Ross
The issue is one of options. Because of RFC 3676, I can understand why
there is no option to suppress the dash-dash-space for NNTP messages.
But that RFC cannot be used to justify the lack of an option for E-mail
messages.
Melchert Fruitema
best! ;-)
--
Kind regards,
Melchert
(MacOS 10.3.9 / Firefox 2.0, Thunderbird 2.0)
Melchert Fruitema
> <move to bottom, refer to Mozilla Newsgroup Etiquette for guidelines
> how to reply in the fora.>
>
> "Melchert Fruitema" <mel.n...@hccnet.ppppmf> wrote in message
> news:u-OdnVBFgqidgHva...@mozilla.org...
>> On 23-03-2008 09:22 CET, Mozilla composed this enchanting statement:
>>> This will be my last email in this unfriendly forum.
>>>
>>> To do so, I quote David Ross:
>>> The question is: Why is an NNTP RFC being used to justify an E-mail
>>> feature? Section 4.3 of RFC 3676 is titled "Usenet Signature
>>> Convention", not "Message Signature Convention" or "E-Mail/NNTP
>>> Signature Convention".
>>>
>>> NNTP and E-mail are indeed different in many ways. Even Thuderbird has
>>> differences in functionality between accounts for mail servers and
>>> account for NNTP servers.
>>>
>> Who started this argument? My Gollie, giddy up, go!
>>
> Argument???
> I am not that emotionally invested in my email program to make it a
point of argument.
Two strikes from Irwin. One moe and you're OUT!
Ron Hunter
> On 3/23/2008 11:29 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>> Mozilla wrote:
>>> This will be my last email in this unfriendly forum.
>>>
>>> To do so, I quote David Ross:
>>> The question is: Why is an NNTP RFC being used to justify an E-mail
>>> feature? Section 4.3 of RFC 3676 is titled "Usenet Signature
>>> Convention", not "Message Signature Convention" or "E-Mail/NNTP
>>> Signature Convention".
>>>
>>> NNTP and E-mail are indeed different in many ways. Even Thuderbird has
>>> differences in functionality between accounts for mail servers and
>>> account for NNTP servers.
>>>
>> The reasoning behind having a standard signature block identifier are
>> just as valid for email as for newsgroups. Yes, there are differences,
>> but in order to suppress those lengthy signature blocks some users seem
>> to love, I believe application of the NNTP standard to email is a
>> rational, and beneficial approach. Feel free to disagree, and to use
>> whatever software serves you needs, and wants best.
>>
>>
>
> The issue is one of options. Because of RFC 3676, I can understand why
> there is no option to suppress the dash-dash-space for NNTP messages.
> But that RFC cannot be used to justify the lack of an option for E-mail
> messages.
>
The dash dash space will only appear if you have a sig file. No sig
file, no delimiter. So, just don't define a sig, and type the sig each
time for email. Actually, I don't usually use a sig file in mail, as I
figure anyone who can't look up at the heading to see who sent it
doesn't need to know.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Arivald
> I just tried switching from Outlook Express to Thunderbird.
>
> It appears that whenever I put a signature on my email, that double
> dashes appear.
>
> This is a critical issue that will determine whether I use thunderbird
> or not. I do not want those double dashes in my email. How do I keep
> thunderbird from putting them into new emails?
>
> Thank you.
>
> /cl
May way to resolve this problem:
I have installed "Stationery" extension. It allows to use HTML files as
stationery/template for mail. I simply have signature, and some
predefined content (greeting, privacy warning, company logo and info)
written in HTML file. When i want to send new company mail, i just open
TB, eventually select company template (if it not selected already), and
i fill middle, content part of mail.
And, of course, i have disabled automatic signatures in TB ;-).
--
Arivald
Terry R.
pounded out on the keyboard:
> On 3/23/2008 11:29 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>> Mozilla wrote:
>>> This will be my last email in this unfriendly forum.
>>>
>>> To do so, I quote David Ross:
>>> The question is: Why is an NNTP RFC being used to justify an E-mail
>>> feature? Section 4.3 of RFC 3676 is titled "Usenet Signature
>>> Convention", not "Message Signature Convention" or "E-Mail/NNTP
>>> Signature Convention".
>>>
>>> NNTP and E-mail are indeed different in many ways. Even Thuderbird has
>>> differences in functionality between accounts for mail servers and
>>> account for NNTP servers.
>>>
>> The reasoning behind having a standard signature block identifier are
>> just as valid for email as for newsgroups. Yes, there are differences,
>> but in order to suppress those lengthy signature blocks some users seem
>> to love, I believe application of the NNTP standard to email is a
>> rational, and beneficial approach. Feel free to disagree, and to use
>> whatever software serves you needs, and wants best.
>>
>>
>
> The issue is one of options. Because of RFC 3676, I can understand why
> there is no option to suppress the dash-dash-space for NNTP messages.
> But that RFC cannot be used to justify the lack of an option for E-mail
> messages.
>
That "option" can be used with the Quicktext extension instead of sig files.
--
Terry R.
Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
Mozilla
in this group.
Excellent suggestion.
Arivald
>> May way to resolve this problem:
>> I have installed "Stationery" extension. It allows to use HTML files
>> as stationery/template for mail. I simply have signature, and some
>> predefined content (greeting, privacy warning, company logo and info)
>> written in HTML file. When i want to send new company mail, i just
>> open TB, eventually select company template (if it not selected
>> already), and i fill middle, content part of mail.
>> And, of course, i have disabled automatic signatures in TB ;-).
>>
>>
>> --
>> Arivald
>
> Careful - talk like this will get you branded as as loving "non
> standards" in this group.
;-)
In most templates i still use this separator, it may be useful.
But i am not forced to use it.
I even use <span class="moz-signature">, and
<style type="text/css">
.moz-signature { color: gray; }
.moz-signature a { color: #7777FF; }
</style>
To make Outlook and other mail clients render my signature in same way
TB does.
BTW: this style
blockquote { padding: 0em .5em .5em 1em; border-left: 2px solid
black; margin-left: 0px; }
Helps viewing TB replies under Outlook. Colored lines we see in HTML
mail are TB specific, and styles for them are not included into mail.
Without my additional style, Outlook renders blockquote in standard way,
as indented block without borders.
Probably other mail programs also rely on style included with mail.
--
Arivald
Andrew DeFaria
I checked this out using the above, inserting it into the email with
Insert: HTML. Is there a way to set this to be automatically included
for all emails?
goodwin
> ©Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:10:49 -0800, "David E. Ross" <nob...@nowhere.not>, wrote:
>> On 3/21/2008 4:37 PM, ChinaLamb wrote:
>>> I just tried switching from Outlook Express to Thunderbird.
>>> It appears that whenever I put a signature on my email, that double dashes
>>> appear.
>>> This is a critical issue that will determine whether I use thunderbird or
>>> not. I do not want those double dashes in my email. How do I keep
>>> thunderbird from putting them into new emails?
Turn off your signature - maybe use a vcard? Or learn to bottom post
like the more civilian newsposters, and some not so civilian (like
myself), do. Or go on enjoying doubtlook.
Theres only so much accommodation one can build into a piece of software.
>> The "-- " (dash-dash-space) is per Section 4.3 of RFC 3676. Someday,
>> this might actually become an Internet standard.
>
> You wish.
> I think we are past the time of its maximum use.
>
> More and more of the kiddie generation which cut its teeth on MSOE eMail
> are top posters and with that the dash|dash|space|carriage return is
> undesirable.
>
>> However, Section 4.3 applies only to newsgroup messages, not E-mail
>> messages. Perhaps a "request for enhancement" (RFE) bug report should
>> be written to request this be optional for E-mail.
>
>
> I don't feel that will happen. Several friends on eMail lists &
> Yahoogroups whom I had weaned of the top posting over the years all
> switched back to it since using iPhones.
>
> I am afraid that we of the TEXT only, [snip] all unessential text before
> sending a reply will become the Luddites of the Internet.
better a Luddite than a lemming...
TOM7601
>
> You wish.
> I think we are past the time of its maximum use.
>
> More and more of the kiddie generation which cut its teeth on MSOE eMail
> are top posters and with that the dash|dash|space|carriage return is
> undesirable.
>
>> However, Section 4.3 applies only to newsgroup messages, not E-mail
>> messages. Perhaps a "request for enhancement" (RFE) bug report should
>> be written to request this be optional for E-mail.
>
>
> I don't feel that will happen. Several friends on eMail lists &
> Yahoogroups whom I had weaned of the top posting over the years all
> switched back to it since using iPhones.
>
> I am afraid that we of the TEXT only, [snip] all unessential text before
> sending a reply will become the Luddites of the Internet.
I've been a bottom-poster since forever and my signature file has always
had the dash-dash-space-cr, and always will (so there! <g>)! I guess
it's something about the old-dog-new-tricks-thing.
Having said that, I did manage to eschew my typewriter habit of putting
two-spaces at the end of a sentence. Bad form, don't ya know?
--
TOM - Vista, CA - USA
David E. Ross
> �Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:10:49 -0800, "David E. Ross" <nob...@nowhere.not>, wrote:
>> On 3/21/2008 4:37 PM, ChinaLamb wrote:
>>> I just tried switching from Outlook Express to Thunderbird.
>>> It appears that whenever I put a signature on my email, that double dashes
>>> appear.
>>> This is a critical issue that will determine whether I use thunderbird or
>>> not. I do not want those double dashes in my email. How do I keep
>>> thunderbird from putting them into new emails?
>>> /cl
>>
>> The "-- " (dash-dash-space) is per Section 4.3 of RFC 3676. Someday,
>> this might actually become an Internet standard.
>
> I think we are past the time of its maximum use.
>
> More and more of the kiddie generation which cut its teeth on MSOE eMail
> are top posters and with that the dash|dash|space|carriage return is
> undesirable.
>
>> However, Section 4.3 applies only to newsgroup messages, not E-mail
>> messages. Perhaps a "request for enhancement" (RFE) bug report should
>> be written to request this be optional for E-mail.
>
>
> I don't feel that will happen. Several friends on eMail lists &
> Yahoogroups whom I had weaned of the top posting over the years all
> switched back to it since using iPhones.
>
> I am afraid that we of the TEXT only, [snip] all unessential text before
> sending a reply will become the Luddites of the Internet.
You can continue to top-post but put your signature at the bottom. You
do this distinctly -- and even differently -- for each account. For
example, you can top-post for replies to E-mail and bottom-post for
replies to this newsgroup.
1. On the Thunderbird menu bar select [Tools > Account Settings].
2. For an account, select [Composition & Addressing] on the left side
of the Account Settings window.
3. In the Composition (top) part of the Composition & Addressing pane,
put a check in the "Automatically quote the original message when
replying" checkbox.
4. Just below that checkbox, there is the word "Then". To the right of
that word is a pull-down selection list. Select "start my reply above
the quote".
5. The pull-down selection list just below that -- to the right of "and
place my signature" -- becomes enabled. Select "below the quote
(recommended)".
6. Select the OK button.
With your signature at the bottom, the dash-dash-space will not cause
the quoted portion of prior messages to disappear.
Larry Gusaas
> You can continue to top-post but put your signature at the bottom. You
> do this distinctly -- and even differently -- for each account. For
> example, you can top-post for replies to E-mail and bottom-post for
> replies to this newsgroup.
>
> 1. On the Thunderbird menu bar select [Tools> Account Settings].
>
> of the Account Settings window.
>
> put a check in the "Automatically quote the original message when
> replying" checkbox.
>
> 4. Just below that checkbox, there is the word "Then". To the right of
> that word is a pull-down selection list. Select "start my reply above
> the quote".
>
> 5. The pull-down selection list just below that -- to the right of "and
> place my signature" -- becomes enabled. Select "below the quote
> (recommended)".
>
> 6. Select the OK button.
>
> With your signature at the bottom, the dash-dash-space will not cause
> the quoted portion of prior messages to disappear.
>
And, when you top post, if you choose "below my reply (above the
quote)" Thunderbird won't insert the
dash-dash-space and the quoted portion won't disappear. Thunderbird only
inserts the delimiter when the signature is at the bottom of the message.
--
Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - Edgard Varese
Joy Beeson
> Having said that, I did manage to eschew my typewriter habit of putting
> two-spaces at the end of a sentence. Bad form, don't ya know?
Good form when you have no idea what font the message will be
displayed in.
The one-space-after-period convention is for text that will be set in
type, right-justified, and printed on paper.
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
goodwin
> You can continue to top-post but put your signature at the bottom. You
> do this distinctly -- and even differently -- for each account. For
> example, you can top-post for replies to E-mail and bottom-post for
> replies to this newsgroup.
>
> 1. On the Thunderbird menu bar select [Tools > Account Settings].
>
> 2. For an account, select [Composition & Addressing] on the left side
> of the Account Settings window.
>
> 3. In the Composition (top) part of the Composition & Addressing pane,
> put a check in the "Automatically quote the original message when
> replying" checkbox.
ok
>
> 4. Just below that checkbox, there is the word "Then". To the right of
> that word is a pull-down selection list. Select "start my reply above
> the quote".
>
ok
> 5. The pull-down selection list just below that -- to the right of "and
> place my signature" -- becomes enabled. Select "below the quote
> (recommended)".
I've never seen that choice before but it is greyed out - my theme
makes it /nearly/ invisible but the choice isn't offered - I'm looking
at the moz server settings...
Other than that, I am, once again, gobsmacked...
David E. Ross
I'm using the TB Classic 1.1.5 theme. The pull-down selection list in
step #5 is disabled (grayed out) when I select "start my reply below the
quote". It's enabled when I select "start my reply above the quote".
It's possible that there is a bug in your theme.
Larry Gusaas
>> > 4. Just below that checkbox, there is the word "Then". To the right of
>> > that word is a pull-down selection list. Select "start my reply above
>> > the quote".
>> >
>>
> ok
>
>
>> > 5. The pull-down selection list just below that -- to the right of "and
>> > place my signature" -- becomes enabled. Select "below the quote
>> > (recommended)".
>>
> I've never seen that choice before but it is greyed out - my theme
> at the moz server settings...
>
It is grayed out until you have selected "start my reply above the quote".
David E. Ross
Oops! It's the TB3 Classic 1.1.5 theme. I left the "3" out of the name.
Dudley Brooks
> On Sat, 08 May 2010 16:34:10 -0700, TOM7601 <t...@catz.org> wrote:
>
>> Having said that, I did manage to eschew my typewriter habit of putting
>> two-spaces at the end of a sentence. Bad form, don't ya know?
>
> Good form when you have no idea what font the message will be
> displayed in.
>
> The one-space-after-period convention is for text that will be set in
> type, right-justified, and printed on paper.
I was about to disagree with the last paragraph, but realized that I
misread it; you're talking about the *only*-one-space-after-period
convention (I thought you meant one *extra* space). Yes, in all other
cases it's two spaces. Learned that in my 9th-grade printshop, my
10th-grade typing class, and a job I had as a copy editor. So one of
the things about internet applications (especially HTML) that annoys me
is that they remove those extra spaces I have so carefully inserted.
And I'm glad the dash-dash-space-CR convention is dying out; it makes
your signature look like advertising.
-- Dudley
Mike Easter
> I'm glad the dash-dash-space-CR convention is dying out; it makes your
> signature look like advertising.
When you don't use a compliant sig in your newsgroup posts, it means
that the person who replies to you has to manually trim your sig, as I did.
I don't think your sig or my sig looks any more or less like
'advertising' whether I put my sig under a dash dash space or you put
your sig beside a dash dash space.
Tbird's default is to make properly delimited sigs more subdued than the
rest of the body text.
And I don't agree that the compliantly delimited sig is 'dying out'.
--
Mike Easter
Stanimir Stamenkov
I don't mind manually stripping single line (just name, as in Dudley's
messages) signature when it is not delimited using the standard
sig-delimiter and I think it is o.k. to sign messages that way. I do
mind people including longish signatures including legal disclaimers
etc. without delimiting them using the standard delimiter. I don't
think the standard signature delimiter is 'dying out' anytime soon, too.
--
Stanimir
goodwin
> On 2010/05/08 10:00 PM goodwin wrote:
>>>> 4. Just below that checkbox, there is the word "Then". To the right of
>>>> that word is a pull-down selection list. Select "start my reply above
>>>> the quote".
>>>>
>>>
>> ok
>>
>>
>>>> 5. The pull-down selection list just below that -- to the right of "and
>>>> place my signature" -- becomes enabled. Select "below the quote
>>>> (recommended)".
>>>
>> I've never seen that choice before but it is greyed out - my theme
>> makes it/nearly/ invisible but the choice isn't offered - I'm looking
>> at the moz server settings...
>>
>
> It is grayed out until you have selected "start my reply above the quote".
>
No, none of the 3 settings ungrey it for me. It may be a theme thing -
I've found there to be several issues with Silvermel 1.3.4 - it
generates a boatload of warnings in the error console.
I /am/ using linux, which can cause more/different hiccups than windoze.
goodwin
Tried the default theme and another add on one - same results.
Maybe config will tell me something
goodwin
Sorry, nevermind - one needs to have a signature enabled 1st.
Off to the corner with my dunce cap...
David E. Ross
>
> I don't mind manually stripping single line (just name, as in Dudley's
> messages) signature when it is not delimited using the standard
> sig-delimiter and I think it is o.k. to sign messages that way. I do
> mind people including longish signatures including legal disclaimers
> etc. without delimiting them using the standard delimiter. I don't
> think the standard signature delimiter is 'dying out' anytime soon, too.
>
Sometimes, I receive a message with a warning similar to the following:
> CONFIDENTIALLY NOTICE: This e-mail communication and any attachments
> may contain confidential and privileged information for the use of
> the designated recipients named above. Any unauthorized review, use,
> disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all
> copies of the original message.
This warning is meaningless. Any message containing "confidential and
privileged information" should be encrypted before sending over the
Internet. This prohibition cannot be enforced. If you sent a
restricted message to me by mistake, that is your error for which you
must suffer the consequences. You cannot foist blame onto me for your
mistake when I disclose your message to others.
TOM7601
> I don't mind manually stripping single line (just name, as in Dudley's
> messages) signature when it is not delimited using the standard
> sig-delimiter and I think it is o.k. to sign messages that way. I do
> mind people including longish signatures including legal disclaimers
> etc. without delimiting them using the standard delimiter. I don't
> think the standard signature delimiter is 'dying out' anytime soon, too.
Do you mean the paragraph warning the reader that the e-mail is private
property and should be deleted? Putting the disclaimer after the message
seems silly. One wonders how many pixels gave their lives just so that
message could be displayed.
A friend of mine had a sig file that included the line: "Let me know if
you don't get this message."
Andrew DeFaria
On 05/09/2010 12:07 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 5/9/10 9:15 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:I don't mind manually stripping single line (just name, as in Dudley's messages) signature when it is not delimited using the standard sig-delimiter and I think it is o.k. to sign messages that way. I do mind people including longish signatures including legal disclaimers etc. without delimiting them using the standard delimiter. I don't think the standard signature delimiter is 'dying out' anytime soon, too.Sometimes, I receive a message with a warning similar to the following:CONFIDENTIALLY NOTICE: This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information for the use of the designated recipients named above. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.This warning is meaningless. Any message containing "confidential and privileged information" should be encrypted before sending over the Internet. This prohibition cannot be enforced. If you sent a restricted message to me by mistake, that is your error for which you must suffer the consequences. You cannot foist blame onto me for your mistake when I disclose your message to others.
Jay Garcia
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Agreed however
http://legallad.quickanddirtytips.com/are-email-disclaimers-legally-binding.aspx
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Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>