Thunderbird, Signatures, and Logos
Ryan J. Paque
corporate signature in Thunderbird.
No matter what I tried with the coporate-supplied logo template,
whenever I tried using it in Thunderbird, the logos never showed up.
I've kind've hobbled my way around it by MANUALLY creating the logo
inside Thunderbird in the signature text block (as opposed to attaching
a file), and insert the logo using <img>. But this means I can't simply
keep my signature in a file and transfer it to any computer I happen to
be working on in the company. This is what I have in my sig:
Ryan J. Paque < br>
Title < br>
< img
src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/ryan/My%20Documents/logo.png"
alt=Company Name">< br>
A Division of Parent Company< br>
General Mitchell International Airport< br>
Milwaukee, Wisconsin< br>
Phone Number< br>
(I deliberately broke the tags for this newsgroup)
This is easy to do in with a file in Outlook, but for the life of me, it
seems like pulling teeth in Thunderbird.
Any ideas? (And no, removing the logo because it offends pure text
etiquette isn't an option... This is a company policy. :)
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Have you:
1. Checked the box "Use HTML" on top of the signature entry box
2. Checked the box "Attach the signature from a file instead (html, text ..)
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Peter Taylor
Create an HTML file with an HTML editor and save it to disk. Use the
Attach the signature with a file instead of pasting it into the
Signature field in your account's settings. If you want more templates,
check out the Quick Text add on.
--
Peter Taylor
Ryan J. Paque
> Create an HTML file with an HTML editor and save it to disk. Use the
> Attach the signature with a file instead of pasting it into the
> Signature field in your account's settings. If you want more templates,
> check out the Quick Text add on.
I have tried this using Word to create a simple HTML file (creating
the file using the HTML template). When I attach the HTML file, the
logo does not display, only a broken link icon.
The only way I can get the logo to display is to enter the previously
described code into the signature field.
Is the problem that Word isn't embedding the image into the file?
Ryan J. Paque
> Have you:
>
> 1. Checked the box "Use HTML" on top of the signature entry box
Yes, checking that box and manually entering the code I mentioned is
the only way I seem to be able to get the image to display inside
Thunderbird.
> 2. Checked the box "Attach the signature from a file instead (html, text ..)
The signature then displays with a broken link icon instead of the
actual logo.
Its rather frustrating that I can just attach the corporate-provided
html file in Outlook and it works fine.
David E. Ross
Your logo is a graphics file. You can send E-mail with the logo
embedded. However, the E-mail message body and the logo traverse the
Internet separately, with the logo identified as an attachment to the
message. Those who receive your E-mail might setup their E-mail
applications to combine the message body and logo and display the result
as you intend.
However, many users setup their E-mail applications not to combine
message bodies with attachments. Instead, attachments are received but
left unopened. In this case, your logo will not be seen, no matter how
you setup your signature.
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<http://www.rossde.com/>
On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
Ron K.
Sample HTML file sontent for Sig with an image. Both The HTML file and
Image file should be in same location. I place mine in the parent Profile
folder of my Tb Profiles.
<div id="signature">
<style>
div.sign{ position:relative;
bottom:0em; width:18%;
background-color:#fffecc;
border-width:1px; border-style:dotted;
-moz-border-radius: 1em;
font-style:italic; text-align:left;
margin-bottom:1px; margin-left:10px;
padding-bottom:2px; padding-right:4px; }
a { background-color:#fffecc; }
</style>
<div class="sign">
<font color="#996611"><b> Ron K...</b></font>
<img style="padding-top: 2px; float: right;" alt=""
src="file:///C:/Users/umt-nco/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/Mailbox.png"
height="64" width="38">
<br>
</font>
</div>
</div>
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> I have tried this using Word to create a simple HTML file
I smell an oxymoron.
Word cannot create 'simple' HTML files. Use a text editor. Your sample
was very nearly all you need. There is some other reason why your image
isn't being included. Maybe it's the "file:///" protocol. Maybe it is
the spaces between your "<" and ensuing element names "img" or "br". I
doubt if the alt attribute is necessary.
With a *text* editor, save the following as "logosig.html" - then enter
that path/filename into the account settings.
<html>
<head></head>
<body>
<p>
Ryan J. Paque<br>
Title<br>
<img
src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/ryan/My%20Documents/logo.png"<br>
A Division of Parent Company<br>
General Mitchell International Airport<br>
Milwaukee, Wisconsin<br>
Phone Number<br>
</p>
</body>
</html>
And a final guess, save this file somewhere in a path without spaces.
C:\sigfiles\siglogo.html
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-bts
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> However, many users setup their E-mail applications not to combine
> message bodies with attachments. Instead, attachments are received
> but left unopened. In this case, your logo will not be seen, no
> matter how you setup your signature.
One of my clients started attaching 'company logo' graphics just last
month and the several employees I deal with are now all using it. I read
all my mail as Plain Text. I get a 65KB attached file (to a 750-byte
email) that I never see because I don't go click on it.
--
-bts
-Plain text is for email; HTML is for web pages
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Don't use "Word" as an html editor as the output is mostly non-compliant
and generates proprietary tags. Use NotePad for instance to hand-code.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> On 1/12/2011 1:05 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>
>> Have you:
>>
>> 1. Checked the box "Use HTML" on top of the signature entry box
>
> Yes, checking that box and manually entering the code I mentioned is
> the only way I seem to be able to get the image to display inside
> Thunderbird.
That's because you "hand-coded" the html which turned out to be "simple"
html.
>> 2. Checked the box "Attach the signature from a file instead (html,
>> text ..)
>
> The signature then displays with a broken link icon instead of the
> actual logo.
>
> Its rather frustrating that I can just attach the corporate-provided
> html file in Outlook and it works fine.
Because Outlook recognizes proprietary code that is IE/OE-centric. Have
you tried reading that same signature in Thunderbird?
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
I would assume that if you selected "View => Message Body as => Original
HTML" that you would see the signature complete with graphic. And THAT
is a reason to NOT use a sig with an "attached" graphic but rather embedded.
I've never understood why people/companies insist on complex signatures.
Ryan J. Paque
> Ryan J. Paque wrote:
>
>> I have tried this using Word to create a simple HTML file
>
> I smell an oxymoron.
>
> Word cannot create 'simple' HTML files. Use a text editor. Your sample
> was very nearly all you need. There is some other reason why your image
> isn't being included. Maybe it's the "file:///" protocol. Maybe it is
> the spaces between your "<" and ensuing element names "img" or "br". I
> doubt if the alt attribute is necessary.
I intentionally added the space after the "<" for this post so that
nobody's newsreader would attempt to display the HTML. I've seen too
many instances of people getting flamed for that. :)
> With a *text* editor, save the following as "logosig.html" - then enter
> that path/filename into the account settings.
<snip>
That seems to have worked. Thanks! I'm at least partially to what my
goal is. :)
I'll make a note to myself that Word's "save as Web Page" doesn't
actually create what I need.
From all the responses I've been reading, it appears there simply is no
way, with Thunderbird, to have a single self-contained signature file
that includes an imbedded image. I'm required to do as above, and POINT
to an external image, so that if I move to a different computer, or set
up Thunderbird for a co-worker, I have to copy the HTML file, the logo
file, and then rewrite the HTML file to point to where the logo file is
on the new computer.
Another case of a Microsoft "standard" that exists only in Outlook? :)
Ryan J. Paque
> On 12.01.2011 14:39, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>
>>> However, many users setup their E-mail applications not to combine
>>> message bodies with attachments. Instead, attachments are received
>>> but left unopened. In this case, your logo will not be seen, no
>>> matter how you setup your signature.
>>
>> One of my clients started attaching 'company logo' graphics just last
>> month and the several employees I deal with are now all using it. I read
>> all my mail as Plain Text. I get a 65KB attached file (to a 750-byte
>> email) that I never see because I don't go click on it.
>>
>
> I would assume that if you selected "View => Message Body as => Original
> HTML" that you would see the signature complete with graphic. And THAT
> is a reason to NOT use a sig with an "attached" graphic but rather embedded.
>
> I've never understood why people/companies insist on complex signatures.
Embedded would be my choice... but I'm getting from all the responses
that embedded images in a signature isn't possible with Thunderbird.
I worked for a small company a few years ago that felt that the logo in
their signature was another marketing opportunity.
*I* personally wouldn't use a logo at all. I agree with you. All I care
about is that they know my name and how to get hold of me...
Unfortunately, when the owner owner says to use the logo, I will use the
logo. :)
Ryan J. Paque
> On 12.01.2011 13:32, Ryan J. Paque wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> On 1/12/2011 1:10 PM, Peter Taylor wrote:
>>
>>> Create an HTML file with an HTML editor and save it to disk. Use the
>>> Attach the signature with a file instead of pasting it into the
>>> Signature field in your account's settings. If you want more templates,
>>> check out the Quick Text add on.
>>
>> I have tried this using Word to create a simple HTML file (creating the
>> file using the HTML template). When I attach the HTML file, the logo
>> does not display, only a broken link icon.
>>
>> The only way I can get the logo to display is to enter the previously
>> described code into the signature field.
>>
>> Is the problem that Word isn't embedding the image into the file?
>
> Don't use "Word" as an html editor as the output is mostly non-compliant
> and generates proprietary tags. Use NotePad for instance to hand-code.
>
Duly noted. :)
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> However, many users setup their E-mail applications not to combine
>>> message bodies with attachments. Instead, attachments are received
>>> but left unopened. In this case, your logo will not be seen, no
>>> matter how you setup your signature.
>>
>> One of my clients started attaching 'company logo' graphics just
>> last month and the several employees I deal with are now all using
>> it. I read all my mail as Plain Text. I get a 65KB attached file (to
>> a 750-byte email) that I never see because I don't go click on it.
>
> I would assume that if you selected "View => Message Body as =>
> Original HTML" that you would see the signature complete with
> graphic. And THAT is a reason to NOT use a sig with an "attached"
> graphic but rather embedded.
I could select View as HTML, but that defeats my personal belief shown
in my sig.
> I've never understood why people/companies insist on complex
> signatures.
I also get some that have business sigs that are 20-30 lines long,
advising me (besides the sender and company info) that "if I am not the
intended recipient" that I should ignore this message... <lol>
Ryan J. Paque
> On 12.01.2011 13:34, Ryan J. Paque wrote:
>> Its rather frustrating that I can just attach the corporate-provided
>> html file in Outlook and it works fine.
>
> Because Outlook recognizes proprietary code that is IE/OE-centric. Have
> you tried reading that same signature in Thunderbird?
Actually, other than a centering issue, it appears normally in the
emails I've received. But then again, if we're using embedded images
rather than HTML code, that might be why.
David E. Ross
> Plain text is for email; HTML is for web pages
I will be quoting your quip in my
<http://www.rossde.com/internet/ASCII_mail.html>.
James Moe
>
> No matter what I tried with the coporate-supplied logo template,
> whenever I tried using it in Thunderbird, the logos never showed up.
>
> src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/ryan/My%20Documents/logo.png"
> alt=Company Name">< br>
>
<http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/New+in+Thunderbird+3>, the
third item under the Accounts heading. It basically says that embedding
an image is not possible.
The <img> element does not embed an image in a document. It follows
the link to the image file for retrieval when the message is opened and
the HTML markup is processed. It is highly unlikely the message
recipients will have the logo image at "C:/Documents and
Settings/ryan/My Documents/logo.png" on their computer.
Being lazy I found that by putting the logo on a publicly available
site, say, my company's web site, and setting the URL to point there,
recipients can then see the logo instead of a broken link. This, of
course, presumes that they have Internet access when viewing mail.
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Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> I worked for a small company a few years ago that felt that the logo in
> their signature was another marketing opportunity.
That's one reason they are still a small company - too much time spent
on useless functionality. Why would they need a logo IF the recipient
knows where the mail is coming from .. :-)
> *I* personally wouldn't use a logo at all. I agree with you. All I care
> about is that they know my name and how to get hold of me...
> Unfortunately, when the owner owner says to use the logo, I will use the
> logo. :)
Good thinking .. keeps that "logo" appearing on a paycheck.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Getting email from a law firm can be horribly amusing, most times the
signature is twice as large as the body message. ;-)
David Pyles
> On 12.01.2011 15:08, Ryan J. Paque wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> I worked for a small company a few years ago that felt that the logo in
>> their signature was another marketing opportunity.
>
> That's one reason they are still a small company - too much time spent
> on useless functionality. Why would they need a logo IF the recipient
> knows where the mail is coming from .. :-)
>
>> *I* personally wouldn't use a logo at all. I agree with you. All I care
>> about is that they know my name and how to get hold of me...
>> Unfortunately, when the owner owner says to use the logo, I will use the
>> logo. :)
>
> Good thinking .. keeps that "logo" appearing on a paycheck.
>
logo there then put an absolute link to it in the sig file so that it
will download when the message is opened. Many ISPs offer a limited
amount of web space without additional charge.
Dave Pyles
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> One possibility for the OP is to find a free web host and upload the
> logo there then put an absolute link to it in the sig file so that it
> will download when the message is opened. Many ISPs offer a limited
> amount of web space without additional charge.
The company may already have this really important logo on their own web
site ... if so, just link to it there!
JoeS
Here is another alternative for you. Use a data url in the sig.
No remote linking, the image is self contained, and it will be displayed
in most mail clients with html enabled.
Here is a sample of the format:
<br>Ryan J. Paque <br>
Title <br>
<img
src="data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAcAAAAHCAYAAADEUlfTAAAAIUlEQVQImWNgwA3+45P4j03Ff3TJ/9gk0AVQJLAaRZTrANZXFOyxhZAqAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC"
alt="Company" name=""><br>
A Division of Parent Company<br>
General Mitchell International Airport<br>
Milwaukee, Wisconsin<br>
Phone Number<br>
The easiest way to format this is to insert the logo int a message to
yourself, then copy the base64 data into your signature block.
BTW plaintext format might break the base64 data in the sample above.
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Arivald
> I've been tearing my hair out trying to figure out how to create my
> corporate signature in Thunderbird.
>
> No matter what I tried with the coporate-supplied logo template,
> whenever I tried using it in Thunderbird, the logos never showed up.
>
> I've kind've hobbled my way around it by MANUALLY creating the logo
> inside Thunderbird in the signature text block (as opposed to attaching
> a file), and insert the logo using <img>. But this means I can't simply
> keep my signature in a file and transfer it to any computer I happen to
> be working on in the company. This is what I have in my sig:
>
> Ryan J. Paque < br>
> Title < br>
> < img
> src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/ryan/My%20Documents/logo.png"
path is not valid URL, it should be
src="file:///C%3A/Documents%20and%20Settings/ryan/My%20Documents/logo.png"
> alt=Company Name">< br>
> A Division of Parent Company< br>
> General Mitchell International Airport< br>
> Milwaukee, Wisconsin< br>
> Phone Number< br>
>
> (I deliberately broke the tags for this newsgroup)
>
> This is easy to do in with a file in Outlook, but for the life of me, it
> seems like pulling teeth in Thunderbird.
>
> Any ideas? (And no, removing the logo because it offends pure text
> etiquette isn't an option... This is a company policy. :)
I also have this problem years ago. And because I'm programmer, I make
extension to load Outlook / Outlook Express HMTL stationery templates to
my TB mails.
My extension is called "Stationery" and it is available to download on
AMO, https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/4394/.
It is able to load any HTML file as template, most standard Outlook
templates works fine. Stationery takes care of image paths, so user does
not need to write absolute patchs, or manually escape invalid characters.
With Stationery, this line:
src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/ryan/My%20Documents/logo.png"
should look just:
src="logo.png"
... assuming both HMTL and image are in one folder.
I do not use built-in signature feature, every of my templates have
embedded signature, designed to look god with this template.
If You need any help with making Your own template, just mail me.
--
Arivald
Ryan J. Paque
>> Ryan J. Paque < br>
>> Title < br>
>> < img
>> src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/ryan/My%20Documents/logo.png"
>
> path is not valid URL, it should be
> src="file:///C%3A/Documents%20and%20Settings/ryan/My%20Documents/logo.png"
Thanks. I think I should take some basic HTML lessons. Time for me to
move past the late 90's in programming. :)
I will play around with this this afternoon. I just might end up
asking some questions. Thanks for your suggestions and samples.
Ryan
Ryan J. Paque
> Here is another alternative for you. Use a data url in the sig.
> No remote linking, the image is self contained, and it will be displayed
> in most mail clients with html enabled.
> Here is a sample of the format:
> <br>Ryan J. Paque <br>
> Title <br>
> <img
> src="data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAcAAAAHCAYAAADEUlfTAAAAIUlEQVQImWNgwA3+45P4j03Ff3TJ/9gk0AVQJLAaRZTrANZXFOyxhZAqAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC"
> alt="Company" name=""><br>
> A Division of Parent Company<br>
> General Mitchell International Airport<br>
> Milwaukee, Wisconsin<br>
> Phone Number<br>
>
> The easiest way to format this is to insert the logo int a message to
> yourself, then copy the base64 data into your signature block.
> BTW plaintext format might break the base64 data in the sample above.
I tried this, and it seems to work. I'll play around with this idea and
Arivald's templates idea. I'll need to send some emails to accounts and
read them with HTML turned off and see what shows up... If all it shows
is a broken icon, that's fine. I'd hate for somebody to see several
lines of code in my signature though. :)
Arivald
If you use this method, image in <img> tag will be attached in same way
like image from file (attachemnt with Content-Disposition: inline).
And because all image data are embedded in URL, there is no problem with
path to image.
I use this page to make such "embedded image urls":
http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/cgi/data/data
--
Arivlad
Ryan P.
I decided to go the route of embedding the base 64 code of the image in
the signature, and its working perfectly.
Although, its thoroughly confusing to anyone else, but as long as its
just two or three installations I'm worried about, I can deal with it. :)
I'll play with creating templates next...
Thanks again!