EMail SubFolders

BeeJ

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Mar 15, 2012, 6:55:39 PM3/15/12

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How do I get Thunderbird 11.0 to show all the subfolders on a Live
eMail account? All I see is InBox.

How do I get the order of messages the same as I see at Live on-line?

Ann Watson

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Mar 16, 2012, 8:49:21 AM3/16/12

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This is one of the limitations of POP mail (which
Live email accounts are); typically mail only mail from the inbox
can be retrieved.

There may be a way to accomplish this using the WebMail/Hotmail
add-ons from http://webmail.mozdev.org/index.html.

AW

BeeJ

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Mar 16, 2012, 11:45:29 AM3/16/12

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Strange since Windows Live Mail can do this.
You would think that Thunderbird could also do it.
So how do I move incoming to a subfolder like I need to?

Ann Watson

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Mar 16, 2012, 4:30:47 PM3/16/12

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I've never used Windows Live Mail so don't know how it operates,
although if you're interested you can read
http://thunderbirdtweaks.blogspot.com/2010/10/moving-from-windows-live-mail.html
to understand the differences between the Windows Live Mail
program and Thunderbird.
If you are in fact wishing to move from the Windows Live Mail
program to Thunderbird you should read the above link.

If you just want to download your @live.com mail into
Thunderbird, then the following is more pertinent:

In Thunderbird, you can of course sort incoming messages for an
@live.com account into subfolders. Create the subfolders you want
(preferably under the "Local Folders" tree and not the Inbox of
the @live.com account) and move the inbox messages into them
either manually or automatically using filters.

To get messages from the subfolders you've already created
on-line in the @live e-mail account, you have to put them back
into the on-line inbox (and mark them all unread), re-download
them into the Thunderbird inbox, then re-sort them into the
subfolders (I hope that isn't as clear as mud!).

You will or course have to check the SPAM folder on-line regularly.

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BeeJ

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Mar 16, 2012, 8:20:39 PM3/16/12

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Yeah but then when I go to another PC I will not see those Thunderbird
subfolders that I need to see.

Cy Burnot

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Mar 16, 2012, 8:29:38 PM3/16/12

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BeeJ has written on 3/16/2012 8:20 PM:

> Yeah but then when I go to another PC I will not see those Thunderbird
> subfolders that I need to see.
>

You need to have an IMAP account and that lets Hotmail out.

Why not just use the Hotmail website from wherever you are, and be done
with it?

Thomas Boehm

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Mar 16, 2012, 9:32:46 PM3/16/12

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Are you really surprised that MS is not following (web) standards and
use their own proprietary protocolls?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeltaSync

Ann Watson

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Mar 16, 2012, 10:46:48 PM3/16/12

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On 16/03/2012 8:20 PM, BeeJ wrote:
> Yeah but then when I go to another PC I will not see those
> Thunderbird subfolders that I need to see.
>

You could if you used the portable version of Thunderbird; then
you could take your profile with you on a usb stick.

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Greywolf

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Mar 17, 2012, 9:04:10 AM3/17/12

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Thunderbird can move and/or copy incoming mail to any folder you've
designated.

Set up a folder tree for each account (address). Do not make subfolders
in Inbox. Set the folder view to All Folders, right click on the account
name, select Create Folder. Right click on the folder name to create a
subfolder. Then

a) use message filtering to Move or Copy incoming mail into whatever
folder(s) and subfolder(s) you set up.
or
b) Drag'n'drop the header of a message to the folder.

HTH
Wolf K.

Thomas Boehm

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Mar 17, 2012, 9:14:02 AM3/17/12

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Greywolf wrote:
> On 16/03/2012 9:32 PM, Thomas Boehm wrote:
>> BeeJ wrote:
>>> Strange since Windows Live Mail can do this.
>>> You would think that Thunderbird could also do it.
>>> So how do I move incoming to a subfolder like I need to?
>>
>> Are you really surprised that MS is not following (web) standards and
>> use their own proprietary protocolls?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeltaSync
>
> Thunderbird can move and/or copy incoming mail to any folder you've

> designated...

I know that. But that's not what the OP asked for. He/she wants to see
the folder structure of his/her Hotmail account, which doesn't seem to
support IMAP.

Greywolf

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Mar 17, 2012, 10:51:51 AM3/17/12

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The thread wandered off into "So how do I move incoming to a subfolder
like I need to?", which I understood to mean "How do I create folders on
my machine so I can sort incoming mail?" IOW, do locally what IMAP
(AFAICT) does remotely. That's what I addressed. If OP doesn't want to
do that, OP can ignore my advice, and use WLM instead of TBird.

I've avoided IMAP. I do however regularly go to my ISP's e-mail portal
so that I can check the spam blocked there. About once a month I find
legit mail in the spam folder. O'wise, I use the web-portal occasionally
when travelling.

HTH
Wolf K.

BeeJ

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Mar 17, 2012, 6:56:03 PM3/17/12

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If GMail can do it then so should Thunderbird be able to do it.

e.g. create a GMail account and tell it to grab all of my @Live account
then open the GMail account in Windows Live and see all the @Live
folders. Or just go to the on-line GMail account and see the same.

Ann Watson

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Mar 18, 2012, 8:13:35 AM3/18/12

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I think you're confusing e-mail providers with e-mail programs.
Thunderbird is strictly an e-mail/newsreader program.
I can see all my @netscape.net accounts in Thunderbird, but
that's because it's an IMAP server, not POP.

AW