How to lock thunderbird?
MnInShdw
those who try to launch it and peek sent/deleted messages when I
I'm away from my desk?
Any kind of advice is much appreciated.
Nir
use 'ProfilePassword 0.7.3' :
http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=1801&hl=profile
MnInShdw
Million thanks
Leonidas Jones
Note though, that all someone has to do is start TB in Safe Mode, which
disables the extensions, to by pass the password and allow someone to
see the messages. It helps to stop the casual snoop, but for someone
who is determined enough, its very easy to bypass.
Lee
Andrew DeFaria (Mozilla)
Is there any way to lock thunderbird with a password to stop those who try to launch it and peek sent/deleted messages when I I'm away from my desk?
Any kind of advice is much appreciated.
--Andrew DeFaria
Work: 214-549-0855
Cell: 214-289-1959
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
MnInShdw
I believe this is the only case that OE is better.
Though there are third party applications to break OE's profile
passwords, but in an office nobody goes that far to install them just
for being curious what his friend has sent or read. and it's safe enough
to password protect a profile to stop being peeked at.
I believe I have to go back to OE.
MnInShdw
> MnInShdw wrote:
>> Is there any way to lock thunderbird with a password to stop those who
>> try to launch it and peek sent/deleted messages when I I'm away from
>> my desk?
>>
>> Any kind of advice is much appreciated.
> Try Windows Key-L ;-)
>
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> Cell: 214-289-1959
> If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
clay
That's the keyboard shortcut to lock your workstation.
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Andrew suggests using your OS's built in ability to create different
user accounts, which can be password protected. When away from your
machine, you log out, requiring someone to enter a password to use your
machine at all. If its a shared machine, everyone has their own user login.
The short cut to switch users in Windows XP,is the Windows Key + L.
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Gee I hate it when I have to explain my jokes... All seriousness aside, locking TB will not do much. If I want to read your emails I just go into your Profile via the command line and more your mailbox folder files. What I'm saying is, your house isn't secure if you lock the window on the 2nd floor while your front door is wide open!
W-L will lock your computer stopping anybody from getting in (within reason of course, nothing is 100%) - and it's built in!
MnInShdw
The Real Bev
> MnInShdw wrote:
>> Andrew DeFaria (Mozilla) wrote:
>>> MnInShdw wrote:
>>>> Is there any way to lock thunderbird with a password to stop those
>>>> who try to launch it and peek sent/deleted messages when I I'm away
>>>> from my desk?
>>>>
>>>> Any kind of advice is much appreciated.
>>> Try Windows Key-L ;-)
>>
>> a little bit more details for a noob is much appreciated.
>
> Geeze, how much simpler could I have made it? Most modern keyboard (well
> at least those attached to PCs) have a little key, usually between the
> Ctrl and the Alt keys, with a little "Windows Flag" on it. That's
> considered the "Windows Key".
Most modern keyboards are crap. I have a nice IBM Model M keyboard and
several backups should it die (not likely, but you never can tell).
Moreover, I'm running linux.
I suggest that linux users run xscreensaver in the 'password' mode.
Apparently you can't do that if you run as root, but that's JWZ's choice.
> Gee I hate it when I have to explain my jokes...
That's the penalty for thinking your jokes are funnier than they
actually are.
Re html posting: It's considered rude to keep your shoes on in a
Chinese home. Posting in html in a text-only group is similarly rude,
and implies that you might not actually know how to post in anything but
html. Do some research, there's probably a Windows Key combo that will
help you out.
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Andrew DeFaria
Most modern keyboards are crap.
Gee I hate it when I have to explain my jokes...That's the penalty for thinking your jokes are funnier than they actually are.
Re html posting: It's considered rude to keep your shoes on in a Chinese home.
Posting in html in a text-only group is similarly rude,
and implies that you might not actually know how to post in anything but html.
Do some research, there's probably a Windows Key combo that will help you out.
Andrew DeFaria
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--- Original Message ---
> Re html posting: It's considered rude to keep your shoes on in a
> Chinese home. Posting in html in a text-only group is similarly rude,
> and implies that you might not actually know how to post in anything but
> html. Do some research, there's probably a Windows Key combo that will
> help you out.
This reminds of the little kid standing under this huge beehive with a
large stick. You ain't gonna win this, only stir up the bees.
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Andrew DeFaria
Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote in
<news:HoOdnRyG0vEIfrzY...@mozilla.org>:
On 02.10.2006 19:07, The Real Bev wrote:
Re html posting: It's considered rude to keep your shoes on in a Chinese home. Posting in html in a text-only group is similarly rude, and implies that you might not actually know how to post in anything but html. Do some research, there's probably a Windows Key combo that will help you out.This reminds of the little kid standing under this huge beehive with a large stick. You ain't gonna win this, only stir up the bees.
Well, the bees were warned on the etiquette page, "Post HTML at your own risk." Being poked with a stick wasn't one of the risks mentioned, though. <span class="moz-smiley-s3"> ;-) </span>Sweet as honey... Buzz, buzz... ;-)
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The Real Bev
> On 02.10.2006 19:07, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Re html posting: It's considered rude to keep your shoes on in a
>> Chinese home. Posting in html in a text-only group is similarly rude,
>> and implies that you might not actually know how to post in anything but
>> html. Do some research, there's probably a Windows Key combo that will
>> help you out.
>
> This reminds of the little kid standing under this huge beehive with a
> large stick. You ain't gonna win this, only stir up the bees.
Sorry, just coming down from the high I got when I killed several paper
wasp nests. Spray can. $4. Shoots 20 feet and kills 'em dead
instantly. The larvae fall out a little later and are consumed by ants.
Is this a great country or what?
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JarrE
Well.
One way is to place your profile on a share and let only you have
read/write access to your share.
On a private computer where none of the familymembers/others have
administrative privilegies a share on the computer/the default profile
will do.
Remember though that if Thunderbird launches profile manager it means you
have not mounted your share and stop it before it makes you a new profile
Mvh/
JarrE
CBFalconer
> Andrew DeFaria (Mozilla) wrote:
>
>
>> Geeze, how much simpler could I have made it? Most modern
>> keyboard (well at least those attached to PCs) have a little key,
>> usually between the Ctrl and the Alt keys, with a little "Windows
>> Flag" on it. That's considered the "Windows Key".
>
> Re html posting: It's considered rude to keep your shoes on in a
> Chinese home. Posting in html in a text-only group is similarly
> rude, and implies that you might not actually know how to post in
> anything but html. Do some research, there's probably a Windows
> Key combo that will help you out.
He's beem fouling usenet with his html for years, and just gets
ugly when asked to cease and desist. The only cure seems to be to
plonk him.
Aside, good computer keyboards don't have a "Windows Key". They
don't even have Windows.
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What about putting it on a USB drive and taking it away with you when
you leave you desk? No Thunderbird, no folders, no peeking.
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He's beem fouling usenet with his html for years, and just gets ugly when asked to cease and desist. The only cure seems to be to plonk him.
Aside, good computer keyboards don't have a "Windows Key". They don't even have Windows.
Andrew DeFaria
MnInShdw wrote on 02/10/2006 15:46 +0100:
Is there any way to lock thunderbird with a password to stop those who try to launch it and peek sent/deleted messages when I I'm away from my desk?What about putting it on a USB drive and taking it away with you when you leave you desk? No Thunderbird, no folders, no peeking.
Any kind of advice is much appreciated.
If he can remember to remove a USB key with TB to protect a small fraction of his computer data then surely he can remember to hit W-L to lock his computer and protect all of it...
--Andrew DeFaria
Chastity is curable if detected early.
JarrE
Good point. Encryption will work. You can have a separate password for
the encrypted area so you only have to remember to close it
Mvh/
JarrE
MnInShdw
> Tony Raven wrote:
>> What about putting it on a USB drive and taking it away with you when
>> you leave you desk? No Thunderbird, no folders, no peeking.
> That may be but I think there's a bigger issue here. ALL of your data is
> important (well at least all of my data is important) and should be
> protected. I often participate in discussions on Quicken's newsgroup.
> People naturally view their financial (Quicken) data as important and
> often ask questions about how to best back up. My response is the same -
> back up your whole system - not just your Quicken data. Same applies
> here - lock your whole system - not just TB.
>
> If he can remember to remove a USB key with TB to protect a small
> fraction of his computer data then surely he can remember to hit W-L to
> lock his computer and protect all of it...
>
> --
>
> Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
> Chastity is curable if detected early.
Well my point is clear. I wanted to know if there's any way to keep TB
locked when I leave my desk for 5 min or so.
Windows key+L is not a good solution, because I don't want to login each
time I leave my pc. Each time I go to take a drink, copy some doc, talk
with a client over the phone, smoke..... I have to lock and login into
my pc maybe more than one hundred times per day. and what if I forgot to
lock it?
And I also don't want to have all the mails with their attachment on a
usb and carry it around.
encryption? oh no, I just want to have my mails safe. that's too much.
I purchased Folder guard and locked the thunderbird's install and
profile folders. It works perfectly, and whenever I want to check my
mails, I'm asked to type my pass.
Andrew DeFaria
So again, if you leave your PC unlocked and somebody else comes up to it, the computer has no way of verifying that the person who just sat down is not the person who just left (unless you are constantly querying for passwords whenever you do anything to prove you are still you). The real point is that everything on your machine is important and as such you should lock your PC when not using it - not lock only TB.
clay
>...
> Windows key+L is not a good solution, because I don't want to login each
> time I leave my pc. Each time I go to take a drink, copy some doc, talk
> with a client over the phone, smoke..... I have to lock and login into
> my pc maybe more than one hundred times per day.
And how often do you check/send email and have to type the fodder guard
password?
and what if I forgot to
> lock it?
set your screensaver to activate in 5 minutes (or one minute... if you
really are using your pc all day long) and set the password protection
option on it.
>
> I purchased Folder guard and locked the thunderbird's install and
> profile folders. It works perfectly, and whenever I want to check my
> mails, I'm asked to type my pass.
>
>
>
>
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> Andrew DeFaria (Mozilla) wrote:
>> MnInShdw wrote:
>>> Andrew DeFaria (Mozilla) wrote:
>>>> MnInShdw wrote:
>>>>> Is there any way to lock thunderbird with a password to stop those
>>>>> who try to launch it and peek sent/deleted messages when I I'm away
>>>>> from my desk?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any kind of advice is much appreciated.
>>>> Try Windows Key-L ;-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
>>>> Work: 214-549-0855
>>>> Cell: 214-289-1959
>>>> If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
>>> a little bit more details for a noob is much appreciated.
>> Geeze, how much simpler could I have made it? Most modern keyboard
>> (well at least those attached to PCs) have a little key, usually
>> between the Ctrl and the Alt keys, with a little "Windows Flag" on it.
On Mac keyboards the equivalent key to the windows key is the "Command
Key" it has depending upon the keyboard either a symbol that looks like
a Cloverleaf or an apple that has a bite bitten out of it. or both
symbols may be on the same key-cap. on the main part of the keyboard
with the letters and numbers on the bottom row left side are Control
Key, Option Key, Command Key Spacebar. On right side next to Spacebar is
Command Ke, Option key, Control Key (being on the outside).
>> That's considered the "Windows Key". Hold that down like you may often
>> do with the Ctrl key (as in Ctrl-V) and strike the "l" key (That's
>> "L"). What does this wonderful keystroke combination do? Well it locks
>> your Windows system. Yuppers. Puts in into a mode where you must enter
>> your password to unlock it. What you say? You don't have a password?
>> Well you're that that much into security are you? BTW this lovely
>> little Windows key comes with other magical keystroke combinations.
>> Try Windows Key (hereafter denoted as W-) W-d or W-f or W-e! Hey you
>> might even be the curious type and try the W- key with each
>> character... Nah that couldn't be you because your curiosity would
>> have gotten the better of you and you would have stuck W-L and saw it
>> locked your computer and wouldn't have asked for clarification....
>>
>> Gee I hate it when I have to explain my jokes... All seriousness
>> aside, locking TB will not do much. If I want to read your emails I
>> just go into your Profile via the command line and more your mailbox
>> folder files. What I'm saying is, your house isn't secure if you lock
>> the window on the 2nd floor while your front door is wide open!
>>
>> W-L will lock your computer stopping anybody from getting in (within
>> reason of course, nothing is 100%) - and it's built in!
>>
> Million thanks for all the suggestions. and ... jokes :)
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Andrew DeFaria
Well my point is clear. I wanted to know if there's any way to keep TB locked when I leave my desk for 5 min or so.
Windows key+L is not a good solution, because I don't want to login each time I leave my pc. Each time I go to take a drink, copy some doc, talk with a client over the phone, smoke..... I have to lock and login into my pc maybe more than one hundred times per day. and what if I forgot to lock it?
And I also don't want to have all the mails with their attachment on a usb and carry it around.
encryption? oh no, I just want to have my mails safe. that's too much.
I purchased Folder guard and locked the thunderbird's install and profile folders. It works perfectly, and whenever I want to check my mails, I'm asked to type my pass.
As for "what if I forget to lock it?" what if you forget to lock this "Folder guard" thing? Or are you saying that it auto locks after a certain, perhaps short, time period. You did know that you could put a screensaver (even a blank screensaver) on with a short timeout and with password on screen save and achieve the same thing, cept lock your whole system instead of just part of it and be asked your password exactly the same amount of time in either case but you could have saved your money.
RAV
You don't log in after using Windows key+L. You simply unlock, by
pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del which brings up the "Unlock Computer" dialog, and
you type in your password and press Enter. That's it. No logging in.
And secure, because it's built into the operating system itself.
Leonidas Jones
> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>> »Q« wrote:
>>> Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote in
>>> <news:HoOdnRyG0vEIfrzY...@mozilla.org>:
>>>> On 02.10.2006 19:07, The Real Bev wrote:
> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your not posting
> pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
>
Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very tiring
on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
black text displays very well, with much less strain.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
Andrew DeFaria wrote:/snip/
»Q« wrote:
Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote in
<news:HoOdnRyG0vEIfrzY...@mozilla.org>:
On 02.10.2006 19:07, The Real Bev wrote:
actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your not posting pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very tiring on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the black text displays very well, with much less strain.
Lee
Andrew DeFaria
You don't log in after using Windows key+L. You simply unlock, by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del which brings up the "Unlock Computer" dialog, and you type in your password and press Enter. That's it. No logging in. And secure, because it's built into the operating system itself.
Also, I've configured out the having to hit Ctrl+Alt+Cel to bring up an Unlock dialog box in non Welcome Screen environment. Never saw having to hit that is as useful or more "secure".
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>> »Q« wrote:
>>>> Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote in
>>>> <news:HoOdnRyG0vEIfrzY...@mozilla.org>:
>>>>> On 02.10.2006 19:07, The Real Bev wrote:
> /snip/
>> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your
>> not posting pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
>>
>
> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very tiring
> on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>
> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
> black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>
> Lee
The only way I can do that in Plain text is to go to preferences >
Appearance > Colors And it doesn't work on incoming mail only outgoing mail.
Andrew DeFaria
> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very
> tiring on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>
> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
> black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>
> Lee
Try Tools: Options: Display: Background! ;-)
Telmo Amaral
> RAV wrote:
>> You don't log in after using Windows key+L. You simply unlock, by
>> pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del which brings up the "Unlock Computer" dialog,
>> and you type in your password and press Enter. That's it. No logging
>> in. And secure, because it's built into the operating system itself.
>
> Actually, using XP Pro and the Welcome Screen you do indeed login...
>
> Also, I've configured out the having to hit Ctrl+Alt+Cel to bring up an
> Unlock dialog box in non Welcome Screen environment. Never saw having to
> hit that is as useful or more "secure".
I think RAV meant only to clarify that, when you lock the
computer, you're not actually closing all the applications, as
MnInShdw was perhaps assuming; when you unlock, everything is
exactly (and instantly) as before. In other words, it's as
practical and quick a solution as somehow locking Thunderbird, and
more secure. Apparently, enabling the Welcome Screen just provides
an alternative, less direct way of locking (via Ctrl+Alt+Del):
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=294317
Telmo Amaral
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>>> »Q« wrote:
>>>>> Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote in
>>>>> <news:HoOdnRyG0vEIfrzY...@mozilla.org>:
>>>>>> On 02.10.2006 19:07, The Real Bev wrote:
>> /snip/
>>> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your
>>> not posting pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
>>
>> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very
>> tiring on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>>
>> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
>> black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>
> Appearance > Colors And it doesn't work on incoming mail only outgoing
> mail.
Go to Tools | Options | Advanced | General | Config Editor, and
set the browser.display.background_color preference to #99ffff -
although I'd personally choose a "whiter shade" of blue... ;-)
Telmo Amaral
Correction: it's much simpler to change that setting the way
Andrew suggested (via Tools | Options | Display). Anyway, what
happens is that an HTML message containing for example <body
bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> will override that setting and
show up with white background...
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
For plain text posting I can find neither in the Mac version. neither
yours nor neither Telmo's
Telmo Amaral
>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very
>>> tiring on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>>>
>>> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
>>> black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>
>> Try Tools: Options: Display: Background! ;-)
>
> For plain text posting I can find neither in the Mac version. neither
> yours nor neither Telmo's
I'm not familiar with the Mac version, but, in the Config Editor
you could try to create the preference
browser.display.background_color, by right-clicking on the
preferences area and choosing New | String.
»Q«
<news:dJudnQb_ToSsBL_Y...@mozilla.org>:
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
> <html>
> <head>
> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"
> http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title>
> </head>
> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> <blockquote cite="midX4idnbeBM8W6cL...@mozilla.org"
> type="cite">
> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"
> http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title>
> »Q« wrote:
> <blockquote
> cite="midMrQ9850F19D...@QsFQDN.dyndns.org"
> type="cite">Jay Garcia <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
> href="mailto:J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com"><J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com&
> gt;</a>
> wrote in<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
> href="news:HoOdnRyG0vEIfrzY...@mozilla.org"><news:
> HoOdnRyG0vEIfrzY...@mozilla.org></a>:<br>
> <blockquote type="cite">On 02.10.2006 19:07, The Real Bev
> wrote:<br>
> <blockquote type="cite">Re html posting: It's considered
> rude to
> keep your shoes on in a Chinese home. Posting in html in a
> text-only group is similarly rude, and implies that you might not
> actually know how to post in anything but html. Do some research,
> there's probably a Windows Key combo that will help you out.<br>
> </blockquote>
> This reminds of the little kid standing under this huge beehive
> with a large stick. You ain't gonna win this, only stir up the
> bees.<br>
> </blockquote>
> Well, the bees were warned on the etiquette page, "Post HTML at
> your own risk." Being poked with a stick wasn't one of the risks
> mentioned, though. <span class="moz-smiley-s3"> ;-)
> </span><br>
> </blockquote>
> Sweet as honey... Buzz, buzz... <span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span>
> ;-)
> </span></span><br>
> <pre>-- </pre>
> <a href="http://defaria.com">Andrew DeFaria</a><br>
> <small><font color="#999999">Do people in France use American
> ticklers?</font></small>
> </blockquote>
> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as
> your not posting pictures (just text) there no much differences in
> size.<br> <br>
> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Still several times bigger.
And people will have to read through the html tags to see what you are
saying, unless you include a text/plain part in addition to the
text/html.
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Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
If your talking about HTML posting then the menu bar in composer in
SM/TB you simply click on the white box and choose desired Background
color.
But I was referring to Plain text viewing/posting.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
I don't understand why everyone if they are viewing post in TB why it
doesn't show in HTML automatically.
I don't have trouble with it. Of Course I am on a Mac. Maybe the Mac
version is smart enough to render the HTML.
Oh I see the problem. I've been smart enough to to turn on in
preferences > Message display :
Allow message to load and display remote images and other content.
no wonder you all have problems.
With that not checked you will be crippled and see the code and not have
the message rendered.
Telmo Amaral
I meant plain text as well. At least on my installation
(Thunderbird on Windows), that setting lets me change the
background when reading plain text messages. However, the same
setting doesn't work with HTML messages containing something like
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> in their source. Maybe
it's possible to force a background colour when viewing HTML
messages as well, but I don't know how.
RAV
> RAV wrote:
>> You don't log in after using Windows key+L. You simply unlock, by
>> pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del which brings up the "Unlock Computer" dialog,
>> and you type in your password and press Enter. That's it. No logging
>> in. And secure, because it's built into the operating system itself.
> Actually, using XP Pro and the Welcome Screen you do indeed login...
>
> Also, I've configured out the having to hit Ctrl+Alt+Cel to bring up an
> Unlock dialog box in non Welcome Screen environment. Never saw having to
> hit that is as useful or more "secure".
>
According to Microsoft's "Login Help" dialog, using Ctrl+Alt+Del is more
secure. I can't vouch for that, I'm only reporting what they say, which
is: "This key combination is recognized only by Windows, so pressing it
before logging on ensures that you are giving your password only to
Windows." And as mentioned, the same key combination is used to bring
up the Unlock Computer dialog.
Andrew DeFaria
As for http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=294317 I got "Sorry, the page you requested is not available."
Andrew DeFaria
I don't understand why everyone if they are viewing post in TB why it doesn't show in HTML automatically.
I don't have trouble with it. Of Course I am on a Mac. Maybe the Mac version is smart enough to render the HTML.
Oh I see the problem. I've been smart enough to to turn on in preferences > Message display :
Allow message to load and display remote images and other content.
no wonder you all have problems.
With that not checked you will be crippled and see the code and not have the message rendered.
Andrew DeFaria
According to Microsoft's "Login Help" dialog, using Ctrl+Alt+Del is more secure. I can't vouch for that, I'm only reporting what they say, which is: "This key combination is recognized only by Windows, so pressing it before logging on ensures that you are giving your password only to Windows." And as mentioned, the same key combination is used to bring up the Unlock Computer dialog.
Telmo Amaral
I didn't realise you were talking about the 'fast user switching'
feature, and wanted to make clear for MnInShdw that locking /
unlocking the computer - without switching users - does not mean
logging out / login in (which is why your suggestion to lock the
computer is a good one). As to the Microsoft link, it works for me
even from your reply. Anyway, the article is called 'How to
Quickly Lock Your Computer and Use Other Windows Logo Shortcut
Keys', should you need to search for it.
Leonidas Jones
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>>> »Q« wrote:
>>>>> Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote in
>>>>> <news:HoOdnRyG0vEIfrzY...@mozilla.org>:
>>>>>> On 02.10.2006 19:07, The Real Bev wrote:
>> /snip/
>
> You mean like this?
>
Thew point it my choice.
I think we should end this, way off topic, and contrary to Etiquette.
Leonidas Jones
>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very
>>> tiring on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>>>
>>> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
>>> black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>
>> Try Tools: Options: Display: Background! ;-)
>
> For plain text posting I can find neither in the Mac version. neither
> yours nor neither Telmo's
>
about:config, via config editor or extension.
browser.display.background_color
If you like there is also:
msgcompose.background_color
for the Compose window.
There by default, on Mac or Windows.
Tore Lund
> posting pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
Size has nothing to do with it. It is a pain in the neck to read an
article where different authors have used different fonts. HTML is just
a sordid mess on Usenet and in e-mail. Please use plain text (with no
format=flowed, please.)
--
Tore
clay
>...
> Yes I've heard that many times myself. What I've never heard is *how* is
> software. As such it's functionality can be coded by others (key stroke
> programs... Root Kits... etc).
>
I suppose it's to prevent someone from writing a skript or something
that pops up a window that 'looks like' the login window but in fact
grabs what you type in there.
One could probably write some code to intercept the ctrl+alt+delete
command and bypass the os response of either bringing up the security
popup or login window and launch it's own window instead...
btw, although the workstation is locked, any shared folders on it are
still accessible via the network.
Heck, it doesn't even need to be logged in for others to access shares
on the box.
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Andrew DeFaria wrote:
...
Yes I've heard that many times myself. What I've never heard is *how* is it that "only Windows" can recognize it? Windows is essentially software. As such it's functionality can be coded by others (key stroke programs... Root Kits... etc).
I suppose it's to prevent someone from writing a skript or something that pops up a window that 'looks like' the login window but in fact grabs what you type in there.
One could probably write some code to intercept the ctrl+alt+delete command and bypass the os response of either bringing up the security popup or login window and launch it's own window instead...
btw, although the workstation is locked, any shared folders on it are still accessible via the network.
Heck, it doesn't even need to be logged in for others to access shares on the box.
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
Telmo Amaral wrote:
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
RAV wrote:
You don't log in after using Windows key+L. You simply unlock, by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del which brings up the "Unlock Computer" dialog, and you type in your password and press Enter. That's it. No logging in. And secure, because it's built into the operating system itself.
Actually, using XP Pro and the Welcome Screen you do indeed login...
Also, I've configured out the having to hit Ctrl+Alt+Cel to bring up an Unlock dialog box in non Welcome Screen environment. Never saw having to hit that is as useful or more "secure".
I think RAV meant only to clarify that, when you lock the computer, you're not actually closing all the applications, as MnInShdw was perhaps assuming; when you unlock, everything is exactly (and instantly) as before. In other words, it's as practical and quick a solution as somehow locking Thunderbird, and more secure. Apparently, enabling the Welcome Screen just provides an alternative, less direct way of locking (via Ctrl+Alt+Del):
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=294317
I don't see where I'm saying anything different. I'm just pointing out that when you are using the Welcome screen it is essentially the same as the lock screen for lack of a better term. Applications are still running. And you have a convenient way to login as another user if need be. So, if say you're at home and your kid wants to login, they can, and you're still at your same place when you "log back in".
As for http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=294317 I got "Sorry, the page you requested is not available."
I didn't realise you were talking about the 'fast user switching' feature,
There's even an XP PowerToy that allows you to do, what I guess must be called "ultra fast user switching" (which is what I think of when you say "fast user switching". Here you hit (guess what?) Windows key-Q and in your current session you can cycle through the configured users not unlike Alt-Tab cycles through running applications. Release W-Q when you have the user you wish to ultraly fast switch to and you'll be presented with a password prompt to authenticate and log into that users session.
and wanted to make clear for MnInShdw that locking / unlocking the computer - without switching users - does not mean logging out / login in (which is why your suggestion to lock the computer is a good one).
As to the Microsoft link, it works for me even from your reply. Anyway, the article is called 'How to Quickly Lock Your Computer and Use Other Windows Logo Shortcut Keys', should you need to search for it.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
colored backgrounds That can't be set in TB/SM(Mac).
I've added Quote color and Plain text with threads have a grey
background with various color of type depending upon the amount of
threads which is better. But still not when posting something in plain
Text. I guess that's better than what was.
»Q«
> »Q« wrote:
>> "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T" <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote in
>> <news:dJudnQb_ToSsBL_Y...@mozilla.org>:
>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>> <html> <head>
>>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"
>>> http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head>
>>> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>> <blockquote
>>> cite="midX4idnbeBM8W6cL...@mozilla.org"
>>> type="cite">
>>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"
>>> http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title>
>>> »Q« wrote: <blockquote
>>> cite="midMrQ9850F19D...@QsFQDN.dyndns.org"
>>> type="cite">Jay Garcia <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>> href="mailto:J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com"><J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.co
>>> m& gt;</a>
Not everyone is viewing news (or mail) in Thunderbird.
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»Q«
»Q«
<news:vaudnfMFnNcrS7_Y...@mozilla.org>:
>> With that not checked you will be crippled and see the code and not
>> have the message rendered.
>
> It couldn't be that these TB experts and champions don't know how to
> configure the product they are experts and champions on!?! Nah just
> couldn't be... ;-)
Nope, it was just that I hadn't added the mozilla* groups to the
filters, since you hadn't been posting the stuff much here.
[^(netscape|mozilla)]
% kill the DeFaria smiley posts
Score: =-9999
Content-Type: ^(multipart\/|text\/html)
should fix everything.
--
»Q«
Telmo Amaral
> Telmo Amaral wrote:
>> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>> Telmo Amaral wrote:
>>>> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>>>> RAV wrote:
>> As to the Microsoft link, it works for me even from your reply.
>> Anyway, the article is called 'How to Quickly Lock Your Computer and
>> Use Other Windows Logo Shortcut Keys', should you need to search for it.
> Still doesn't work for me. Perhaps it's my clients firewall/filtering
> system??? Hmmm... I searched for 294317 and found the article and it
> shows a link of http://support.microsoft.com/kb/294317. That works for me.
I borrowed the expression "fast user switching" from that same
Microsoft article, but it seems to correspond to the Welcome
Screen mechanism you describe. That PowerToy sounds quite useful.
In the past, I tried to consistently use XP "linux-like", that is,
logged in as a non-privileged user and running only the strictly
necessary apps as administrator, via the 'Run As' feature. But it
gave rise to so many difficulties that I gave up. XP just doesn't
seem designed to be used that way...
As to the http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=294317 link I posted,
the fact is that it looks a lot like certain links that spam
messages use: if the user clicks on them, the spammer matches the
id code after the '?' against a database of addresses, to confirm
that the user's address is valid. Maybe some anti-spam software
(yours or your service provider's) disables that type of link?...
Leonidas Jones
I did so within a month of the institution of this server. ;)
Telmo Amaral
> »Q« wrote:
>> Andrew DeFaria <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in
>> <news:vaudnfMFnNcrS7_Y...@mozilla.org>:
>>
>>>> With that not checked you will be crippled and see the code and not
>>>> have the message rendered.
>>> It couldn't be that these TB experts and champions don't know how to
>>> configure the product they are experts and champions on!?! Nah just
>>> couldn't be... ;-)
>>
>> Nope, it was just that I hadn't added the mozilla* groups to the
>> filters, since you hadn't been posting the stuff much here.
>>
>> [^(netscape|mozilla)]
>> % kill the DeFaria smiley posts
>> Score: =-9999
>> Content-Type: ^(multipart\/|text\/html)
>>
>> should fix everything.
>>
>
> I did so within a month of the institution of this server. ;)
Just wondering: is it not possible to configure the news server to
reject messages that are sent only in HTML, and strip off the HTML
from those sent in both HTML and plain text? If possible, could it
be done for individual groups?
Andrew DeFaria
I don't understand why everyone if they are viewing post in TB why it doesn't show in HTML automatically.Not everyone is viewing news (or mail) in Thunderbird.
--Andrew DeFaria
Do fish get cramps after eating?
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>> »Q« wrote:
>>>> Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote in
>>>> <news:HoOdnRyG0vEIfrzY...@mozilla.org>:
>>>>> On 02.10.2006 19:07, The Real Bev wrote:
> /snip/
>> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your not posting
>> pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
>>
>
> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very tiring
> on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>
> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
> black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>
> Lee
My view is set to message body "text". It all looks the same here, html
or not.
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»Q«
> »Q« wrote:
>
>> Not everyone is viewing news (or mail) in Thunderbird.
>
> Gotta love people who don't think enough of the product they are
> "supporting" to use it.
What gave you the impression that I am "supporting" Thunderbird?
Mostly I lurk, but on the rare occasions I can answer a question about
it, I do.
> There's no "eat your own dogfood here".
It's neither my dogfood nor yours. Gotta love people who use phrases
without knowing what they mean.
> Just move along...
Feel free to killfile me some more times. Maybe you can get off
another good rant first; you seem to be working yourself up to one.
--
»Q«
CBFalconer
>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>
>> /snip/
>>
>>> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as
>>> your not posting pictures (just text) there no much differences
>>> in size.
>>
>> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very
>> tiring on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>>
>> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which
>> the black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>
> preferences > Appearance > Colors
> And it doesn't work on incoming mail only outgoing mail.
But that's the point. You shouldn't be doing it. You don't know
what color combinations bother your reader. He does, and sets his
text display accordingly.
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<http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in <news:jvWdnQQ8_-jXmr7Y...@mozilla.org>:
»Q« wrote:What gave you the impression that I am "supporting" Thunderbird? Mostly I lurk, but on the rare occasions I can answer a question about it, I do.
Not everyone is viewing news (or mail) in Thunderbird.Gotta love people who don't think enough of the product they are "supporting" to use it.
There's no "eat your own dogfood here".It's neither my dogfood nor yours.
To say that a company "eats its own dog food" means that it uses the products that it makes...Being that TB is open source and therefore supported by everybody in open forums such as this, eating one's own dog food is the correct phrase to use here.
Gotta love people who use phrases without knowing what they mean.
Just move along...Feel free to killfile me some more times. Maybe you can get off another good rant first; you seem to be working yourself up to one.
--Andrew DeFaria
Ever notice how fast Windows runs? Neither did I.
squaredancer
to generate the following:? :
>»Q« wrote:
>
>
>>Andrew DeFaria <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in
>><news:vaudnfMFnNcrS7_Y...@mozilla.org>:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>With that not checked you will be crippled and see the code and not
>>>>have the message rendered.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>It couldn't be that these TB experts and champions don't know how to
>>>configure the product they are experts and champions on!?! Nah just
>>>couldn't be... ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>Nope, it was just that I hadn't added the mozilla* groups to the
>>filters, since you hadn't been posting the stuff much here.
>>
>>[^(netscape|mozilla)]
>> % kill the DeFaria smiley posts
>> Score: =-9999
>> Content-Type: ^(multipart\/|text\/html)
>>
>>should fix everything.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I did so within a month of the institution of this server. ;)
>
>Lee
>
>
>
yes Lee - and then you whent "missing" for nearly a year.... makes one
think before setting filters... :-(
reg
Leonidas Jones
I set that filter about four months before my hiatus, which was more
like 6 months.
RAV
> RAV wrote:
>> According to Microsoft's "Login Help" dialog, using Ctrl+Alt+Del is
>> more secure. I can't vouch for that, I'm only reporting what they
>> say, which is: "This key combination is recognized only by Windows,
>> so pressing it before logging on ensures that you are giving your
>> password only to Windows." And as mentioned, the same key combination
>> is used to bring up the Unlock Computer dialog.
> Yes I've heard that many times myself. What I've never heard is *how* is
> it that "only Windows" can recognize it? Windows is essentially
> software. As such it's functionality can be coded by others (key stroke
> programs... Root Kits... etc).
>
I was curious myself. Not that Wikipedia is the last word (or even
necessarily correct), but if you go to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control-Alt-Delete and do a FF search on
the word "secure" it provides an explanation of sorts, for what it's worth.
»Q«
> However some may ask the question of, if you
> don't use TB then why are you here? Sorta like going to a rock
> concert when you hate rock & roll and prefer classical...
It's not at all like going to concerts I hate; could you explain what
about it made you think so?
Probably most of the people using different clients to read this group
are using Thunderbird only for mail.
>>> There's no "eat your own dogfood here".
>>
>> It's neither my dogfood nor yours.
>
> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_one's_own_dog_food:
>
> To say that a company *"eats its own dog food"* means that it
> uses the products that it makes...
Thanks for looking it up. Now that you know what it means, no doubt
you notice that I'm neither the company which makes the product nor
part of that company.
>>> Just move along...
>
>> Feel free to killfile me some more times. Maybe you can get off
>> another good rant first; you seem to be working yourself up to
>> one.
>
> You have me mistaken for somebody else. I don't killfile somebody
> merely because I don't agree with them. Other's do that.
AFAICT, you killfile people when you become tired of attempting to
ridicule them.
--
»Q«
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
I have to ask a very stupid question then.
If your not viewing mail in a Mozilla product (Mozilla/TB/SeaMonkey) why
do you post and how can you make relevant post or replies if you don't?
That's like me driving Chevrolets and trying answer something in the
Ford newsgroups and trying to tell someone what size the valves are in
the Ford Engines. ;-)
I wouldn't dream of asking or answering Outlook Express question if I
didn't use it. :-(
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
Ms better be careful about using therm Fast User switching that is an
original term and designed created by Apple when OS.2 came out. ;-).
if my time table is right that was about 5-6 years ago.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T" wrote:
>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>
>>> /snip/
>>>
>>>> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as
>>>> your not posting pictures (just text) there no much differences
>>>> in size.
>>> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very
>>> tiring on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>>>
>>> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which
>>> the black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>> The only way I can do that in Plain text is to go to
>> preferences > Appearance > Colors
>> And it doesn't work on incoming mail only outgoing mail.
>
> But that's the point. You shouldn't be doing it. You don't know
> what color combinations bother your reader. He does, and sets his
> text display accordingly.
>
I don't normally as a rule post in HTML. Though by posting in Plain text
is rough on my eyes. I only did so to one of Andrew's threads thinking
maybe he was in a position of power in mozilla, was given an exception.
I've come up with a workable solution although not 100% quote colors
extension. It doesn't work while posting but thankfully while reading.
Andrew DeFaria
The design of Windows NT is such that, unless security is already compromised in some other way, only the WinLogon process, a trusted system process, can receive notification of this keystroke combination (because it is the first to register the keyboard hook). This keystroke combination is thus a secure attention key. A user pressing Control-Alt-Delete can be sure that it is the operating system (specifically the WinLogon process), rather than a third party program, that is responding to the key combination, and that it is therefore safe to enter a password. It was chosen as the secure attention key in Windows (instead of, for example, the System Request key), because on the PC platform no program could reasonably expect to redefine this keystroke combination for its own purposes.Again, while coding is required, saying that it's the "first to register the keyboard hook", implying that others can also register. As such it's probably implemented as a linked list with the WinLogon process at the head of the list. Well code is code and virus code can easily modify this link list such that it is at the head of the list and WinLogon is 2nd (or even removed or replaced). Indeed, following the link above confirms this:
Though third party application programs cannot intercept such a key, rootkit viruses gain administrative access to the target computer, could modify the operating system and could thus obtain control of the secure attention key of the affected system.IOW it's no real security...
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in
<news:Z9ydnYmzhNLXq77Y...@mozilla.org>:
However some may ask the question of, if you don't use TB then why are you here? Sorta like going to a rock concert when you hate rock & roll and prefer classical...It's not at all like going to concerts I hate; could you explain what about it made you think so?
Probably most of the people using different clients to read this group are using Thunderbird only for mail.
Thanks for looking it up. Now that you know what it means, no doubt you notice that I'm neither the company which makes the product nor part of that company.From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_one's_own_dog_food:There's no "eat your own dogfood here".It's neither my dogfood nor yours.
To say that a company *"eats its own dog food"* means that it
uses the products that it makes...
AFAICT, you killfile people when you become tired of attempting to ridicule them.Just move along...
Feel free to killfile me some more times. Maybe you can get off another good rant first; you seem to be working yourself up to one.You have me mistaken for somebody else. I don't killfile somebody merely because I don't agree with them. Other's do that.
Andrew DeFaria
I have to ask a very stupid question then.
If your not viewing mail in a Mozilla product (Mozilla/TB/SeaMonkey) why do you post and how can you make relevant post or replies if you don't?
That's like me driving Chevrolets and trying answer something in the Ford newsgroups and trying to tell someone what size the valves are in the Ford Engines. ;-)
I wouldn't dream of asking or answering Outlook Express question if I didn't use it. :-(
BTW: What's C.E.T.?
The Real Bev
> MnInShdw wrote on 02/10/2006 15:46 +0100:
>> Is there any way to lock thunderbird with a password to stop
>> those who try to launch it and peek sent/deleted messages when I
>> I'm away from my desk?
>>
>> Any kind of advice is much appreciated.
>
> What about putting it on a USB drive and taking it away with you when
> you leave you desk? No Thunderbird, no folders, no peeking.
I was shocked that you need to do a "safe removal" procedure before
disconnecting a USB drive in windows and even more shocked to see how
long it takes. Moreover, if you have the USB drive inserted when you
boot, it apparently doesn't get seen.
All linux wants you to do is umount /sda1 and it happens. The need to
mount/unmount things by hand has made me extremely careful. I know what
happens in linux if you forget, but what happens in windows?
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government will give him lots of fish and he will vote for you forever.
When he doesn't get any fish, blame the other guys." --A Taxpayer
»Q«
> »Q« wrote:
>> Not everyone is viewing news (or mail) in Thunderbird.
>
> I have to ask a very stupid question then.
>
> If your not viewing mail in a Mozilla product
> (Mozilla/TB/SeaMonkey) why do you post and how can you make
> relevant post or replies if you don't?
Occasionally larger topics come up, about news or mail in general, MIME
types, or something else I know something about. And some Thunderbird-
specific questions are easy enough for me to take, so that the
Thunderbird experts can spend more time on the other ones. For the
most part, though, I /don't/ post much here.
> That's like me driving Chevrolets and trying answer something in
> the Ford newsgroups and trying to tell someone what size the
> valves are in the Ford Engines. ;-)
I've driven both, but you won't catch me trying to advise anyone about
their valve sizes. ;)
> I wouldn't dream of asking or answering Outlook Express question
> if I didn't use it. :-(
It's not that I /never/ use Thunderbird.
All that said, the presence of one reader (me) isn't enough to make
interoperability a concern, but there are many people who use
Thunderbird for mail but not news, and they should all be able to use
whatever client they want to read and post here.
--
»Q«
The Real Bev
> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>> »Q« wrote:
>>> Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote in
>>> <news:HoOdnRyG0vEIfrzY...@mozilla.org>:
>>>> On 02.10.2006 19:07, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> Re html posting: It's considered rude to keep your shoes on in a
>>>>> Chinese home. Posting in html in a text-only group is similarly
>>>>> rude, and implies that you might not actually know how to post in
>>>>> anything but html. Do some research, there's probably a Windows Key
>>>>> combo that will help you out.
>>>> This reminds of the little kid standing under this huge beehive with
>>>> a large stick. You ain't gonna win this, only stir up the bees.
>>> Well, the bees were warned on the etiquette page, "Post HTML at your
>>> own risk." Being poked with a stick wasn't one of the risks
>>> mentioned, though. <span class="moz-smiley-s3"> ;-) </span>
>> Sweet as honey... Buzz, buzz... ;-)
>> --
>> Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
>> Do people in France use American ticklers?
> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your not
> posting pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
Not necessarily true. I see LOTS of html mail/posts in a miserably tiny
font that needs to be increased several sizes to be legible. The
surprising thing about this is that some people I regard as intelligent
do it. There's an easy fix (control/+) but it's rude to make your
readers jump through even an easy hoop.
I don't understand the fixation with html. I would assume that most
people have their mail/newsreaders configured to use fonts and colors
that they find attractive/comfortable -- why do jerks feel they have to
superimpose THEIR choices on others?
OK, I have an answer: it's the same reason that people holding yard
sales won't open up until the exact second of the appointed hour, even
if they and their helpers are all set up and a crowd has gathered.
Hint: one manifestation is anal retentivity.
That's right, you guessed it: a total lack of power or control in the
important phases of their own lives, so they make up for it by
inflicting petty tyrannies on others.
I remember being enthralled when word processors first used right
justification and then (unbelievable joy) PROPORTIONAL FONTS and bold
and italics. Wonderful. Beautiful. And then in a few months it became
old hat and we moved on. Most of us, anyway, even the people who
actually USED word processors professionally.
Sorry, Andrew, for better or worse you're stuck in the 1970s. Hope your
lime green leisure suit is comfy, you're going to be wearing it for a
long time.
--
Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 10.2)
*********************************************
Not all cultures are equal. If they were, we
would have a lot more cannibal restaurants.
The Real Bev
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>
>> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your not posting
>> pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
>
> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very tiring
> on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>
> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
> black text displays very well, with much less strain.
I find that dark navy blue on light blue works nicely. When I used NS
4.79 I had a nice mottled light blue-white cloud-like pattern as a
background, which was even more pleasant. Wish TB could do that...
The Real Bev
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>
>>> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your
>>> not posting pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
>>
>> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very
>> tiring on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>>
>> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
>> black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>
> You mean like this?
I don't think that light cyan counts as light blue, and it's plenty damn
painful to look at. Did you choose that deliberately for its annoyance
value? Way to go, man!
Moreover, there are no indentations indicating previous levels of
comment, requiring one to consciously remember which color is replying
to which other color. Too much trouble, so I generally ignore the whole
thing except what's CLEARLY new text.
The Real Bev
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>
>>> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your
>>> not posting pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
>>
>> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very tiring
>> on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>>
>> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
>> black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>
> The only way I can do that in Plain text is to go to preferences >
> Appearance > Colors And it doesn't work on incoming mail only outgoing mail.
Huh? You can specify the colors on INCOMING mail, providing that some
idiot doesn't send you html mail that overrides your own choices.
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turn out to be well-founded." -- Edgar Watson Howe
clay
>...
> I was shocked that you need to do a "safe removal" procedure before
> disconnecting a USB drive in windows and even more shocked to see how
> long it takes. Moreover, if you have the USB drive inserted when you
> boot, it apparently doesn't get seen.
>
> All linux wants you to do is umount /sda1 and it happens. The need to
> mount/unmount things by hand has made me extremely careful. I know what
> happens in linux if you forget, but what happens in windows?
>
Wait until you get the "The device is in use and can't be disconnected
atm. Please try again later" message... Even though you haven't read or
written to the device in the last hour or so.
Only way to remove it at that point is pull the plug and deal with the
admonishment you'll get for 'unsafe removal' or restart the pc.
For the most part, windows just chastises you for improper removal. I've
never lost data or corrupted a drive by tripping over the cord and
yanking it out. All my stuff is NTFS so maybe that helps.
That's not to say it can't happen though.
If you disable caching, XP won't care if you unplug a USB device without
unmounting it.
What surprised me was Linux (Ubuntu) recognized and mounted my external
(NTFS formatted) USB drives without any fuss at all.
I have ~2TB of stuff on a dozen or so external drives of various origins.
Some of them XP hates, and some of them 2K gives me grief trying to read.
All mount without argument in Linux.
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If at any time you are dissatisfied with the performance of your Mozilla
product, feel free to return it for a complete refund of what you paid
for it...
CBFalconer
>
>
> Oh I see the problem. I've been smart enough to to turn on in
> preferences > Message display :
>
> Allow message to load and display remote images and other content.
> no wonder you all have problems.
>
> With that not checked you will be crippled and see the code and
> not have the message rendered.
And also keep the script kiddies and 1 bit graphics spies out. Not
crippled at all, I still can read.
»Q«
> »Q« wrote:
>> Andrew DeFaria <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in
>> <news:Z9ydnYmzhNLXq77Y...@mozilla.org>:
>>> However some may ask the question of, if you don't use TB then
>>> why are you here? Sorta like going to a rock concert when you
>>> hate rock & roll and prefer classical...
>>
>> It's not at all like going to concerts I hate; could you explain
>> what about it made you think so?
>
> It follows for me. OK so you don't like that analogy. How about
> members from the Ford Mustang Car Club infiltrating the Corvette
> Club? Sure it could happen. But most people into one thing don't
> actively seek out a competitor's "club". YMMV.
I see Thunderbird as a competitor only to Outlook Express, and I
don't tend to think of their support groups as "clubs".
>> Probably most of the people using different clients to read this
>> group are using Thunderbird only for mail.
>
> Perhaps... Their lose...
Well, now that you have pointed out that they maybe be
"infiltrators" from some rival group, I will try to be more careful.
>>>>> There's no "eat your own dogfood here". It's neither my
>>>>> dogfood nor yours.
>>> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_one's_own_dog_food:
>>>
>>> To say that a company *"eats its own dog food"* means that it
>>> uses the products that it makes...
>>
>> Thanks for looking it up. Now that you know what it means, no
>> doubt you notice that I'm neither the company which makes the
>> product nor part of that company.
>
> Obviously you chose to ignore and snip the part about open source
> and community support.
Yes, I didn't find it relevant. If you feel it made a convincing
case that your original (mis)use of the phrase was ok, fine. It
continues to stand without comment from me.
>>> I don't killfile somebody merely because I don't agree with
>>> them.
>>
>> AFAICT, you killfile people when you become tired of attempting
>> to ridicule them.
>
> You know I'm sick and tired of you selectively ignoring the words
> I use. I said, specifically (and you even quoted it this time) "I
> don't killfile somebody merely because I don't agree with them".
Yes, I quoted it, and I didn't ignore it. When you disagree with
someone, you attempt to ridicule, and eventually you may tire of it and
use your killfile.
> I carefully choose my words and mean what I say. If you wish to
> play such games then yes you may be one of the few that I have
> killfiled, not because I disagree with them, nor because of what
> you claim "being tired of attempt to ridicule them" (BTW it's no
> attempt - when I do ridicule I am indeed successful)
I've seen you attempt it without success many times and with success
maybe twice. You misoverestimate yourself.
> but rather because I have little tolerance for dishonest people
> such as yourself.
Nah, I think it's because you get tired of attempting to ridicule them.
YMMV.
I think we're far enough away from anything to do with Thunderbird to
set followups to m.general.
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»Q«
»Q«
<news:fbWdnRDo_rzclrnY...@mozilla.org>:
> All linux wants you to do is umount /sda1 and it happens. The
> need to mount/unmount things by hand has made me extremely
> careful. I know what happens in linux if you forget, but what
> happens in windows?
Generally, nothing. If the device really is in use and being written
to when you unplug, data could be lost. What annoys me is that there's
no apparent way to force unmounting in Windows.
--
»Q«
Chris Ilias
> I don't normally as a rule post in HTML. Though by posting in Plain text
> is rough on my eyes. I only did so to one of Andrew's threads thinking
> maybe he was in a position of power in mozilla, was given an exception.
>
> I've come up with a workable solution although not 100% quote colors
> extension. It doesn't work while posting but thankfully while reading.
If the problem is that you don't like how Thunderbird displays plain
text messages, you can change display settings, rather than posting in HTML.
QuoteColors will of course handle the colour and background colour of
message content. As far as font goes, go to
Tools-->Options-->Display-->Fonts, and click on "Fonts". Set the font
beside "Monospace".
As far as posting in HTML, just remember what I've told you before:
<http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/61a76c18400c7896>
"It just isn't a big deal...This is a user support newsgroup, and that's
what should take priority."
The blurb on the Forum Etiquette Page is simply a warning to those
wishing to post in HTML.
--
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mozilla.test.multimedia moderator
Mozilla links <http://ilias.ca>
(Please do not email me tech support questions)
Andrew DeFaria
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
»Q« wrote:actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your not posting pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote inSweet as honey... Buzz, buzz... ;-)
<news:HoOdnRyG0vEIfrzY...@mozilla.org>:
On 02.10.2006 19:07, The Real Bev wrote:Well, the bees were warned on the etiquette page, "Post HTML at your own risk." Being poked with a stick wasn't one of the risks mentioned, though. <span class="moz-smiley-s3"> ;-) </span>
Re html posting: It's considered rude to keep your shoes on in a Chinese home. Posting in html in a text-only group is similarly rude, and implies that you might not actually know how to post in anything but html. Do some research, there's probably a Windows Key combo that will help you out.This reminds of the little kid standing under this huge beehive with a large stick. You ain't gonna win this, only stir up the bees.
--
Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
Do people in France use American ticklers?
Not necessarily true. I see LOTS of html mail/posts in a miserably tiny font that needs to be increased several sizes to be legible. The surprising thing about this is that some people I regard as intelligent do it.
There's an easy fix (control/+) but it's rude to make your readers jump through even an easy hoop.
I don't understand the fixation with html. I would assume that most people have their mail/newsreaders configured to use fonts and colors that they find attractive/comfortable -- why do jerks feel they have to superimpose THEIR choices on others?
OK, I have an answer: it's the same reason that people holding yard sales won't open up until the exact second of the appointed hour, even if they and their helpers are all set up and a crowd has gathered.
Hint: one manifestation is anal retentivity.
That's right, you guessed it: a total lack of power or control in the important phases of their own lives, so they make up for it by inflicting petty tyrannies on others.
Sorry, Andrew, for better or worse you're stuck in the 1970s. Hope your lime green leisure suit is comfy, you're going to be wearing it for a long time.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> CBFalconer wrote:
>> "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T" wrote:
>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>
>>>> /snip/
>>>>
>>>>> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as
>>>>> your not posting pictures (just text) there no much differences
>>>>> in size.
>>>> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very
>>>> tiring on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>>>>
>>>> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which
>>>> the black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>>> The only way I can do that in Plain text is to go to preferences
>>> > Appearance > Colors
>>> And it doesn't work on incoming mail only outgoing mail.
>>
>> But that's the point. You shouldn't be doing it. You don't know
>> what color combinations bother your reader. He does, and sets his
>> text display accordingly.
>>
>
> I don't normally as a rule post in HTML. Though by posting in Plain text
> is rough on my eyes. I only did so to one of Andrew's threads thinking
> maybe he was in a position of power in mozilla, was given an exception.
>
> I've come up with a workable solution although not 100% quote colors
> extension. It doesn't work while posting but thankfully while reading.
>
Now if I could just get it to use Bold Print "I would be sitin' in high
cotton"
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>> I have to ask a very stupid question then.
>>
>> If your not viewing mail in a Mozilla product (Mozilla/TB/SeaMonkey)
>> why do you post and how can you make relevant post or replies if you
>> don't?
>>
>> That's like me driving Chevrolets and trying answer something in the
>> Ford newsgroups and trying to tell someone what size the valves are in
>> the Ford Engines. ;-)
>>
>> I wouldn't dream of asking or answering Outlook Express question if I
>> didn't use it. :-(
> Damn we think alike! ;-)
>
> BTW: What's C.E.T.?
>
> --
>
Certified Electronics Technician.
In order to receive the title your required to sit down to an exam
composed of two booklets with 75 question each. The First part the
Associate part test your general knowledge of, Electronics, Theory,
Mathematics, knowledge of testing equipment, scopes, meters, etc.
Then the second part is journeyman exam in which test the
troubleshooting knowledge in your chosen field. There is some math
(electronics Formulas and possible ways to use the formulas in a real
world situation. such as conductance and impedance of a circuit with
possible answers. And so on.
I happened to the the 70th person to pass the CET exam in the State of
Virgina.
the test was administered by the National Electronics Association now
NESDA. They have since set ISCET (International Society of Certified
Electronics Technicians to administer the test check answers and give
out Certificates. Many Companies even Computer Industry use the CET
Designation to decide upon prospective job applicants.
The requirements for Journeyman is that for your first Journeyman test
you must have a combination of 5 years college/work experience in the
field you test for and any other you must work in the field a minimum of
5 years.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> Tony Raven wrote:
>
>> MnInShdw wrote on 02/10/2006 15:46 +0100:
>>> Is there any way to lock thunderbird with a password to stop
>>> those who try to launch it and peek sent/deleted messages when I
>>> I'm away from my desk?
>>>
>>> Any kind of advice is much appreciated.
>>
>> What about putting it on a USB drive and taking it away with you when
>> you leave you desk? No Thunderbird, no folders, no peeking.
>
> I was shocked that you need to do a "safe removal" procedure before
> disconnecting a USB drive in windows and even more shocked to see how
> long it takes. Moreover, if you have the USB drive inserted when you
> boot, it apparently doesn't get seen.
>
> All linux wants you to do is umount /sda1 and it happens. The need to
> mount/unmount things by hand has made me extremely careful. I know what
> happens in linux if you forget, but what happens in windows?
>
On macs since USB is available is plug it in while hot (meaning powered
up), or from cold start and the USB device automatically mounts.
To dismount just click on eject in finder window or drag the icon of the
device to trash. when activity light stops blinking just unplug.
This includes Hard drives and USB Thumb-drives or even CD's/DVD's out of
Cd/DVD Drives.
AND! you do Fire-Wire 400/800 drives the same way. Although I don't have
a SATA Hard Drive. They also if plugged in externally can be
mounted/dismounted the same way. Everything is hot swappable after
dismount. Windows has always been way be hind the times on matters such
as these. Many devices on PC require that you have to install a driver.
On USB 1.1 and 2 Devices a driver is not needed on a Mac. and FW drives
don't need a driver. internal drives that use ATA may or may not need a
driver.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>
>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>
>>>> actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your
>>>> not posting pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
>>>
>>> Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very
>>> tiring on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>>>
>>> With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
>>> black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>>
>> You mean like this?
>
> I don't think that light cyan counts as light blue, and it's plenty damn
> painful to look at. Did you choose that deliberately for its annoyance
> value? Way to go, man!
>
> Moreover, there are no indentations indicating previous levels of
> comment, requiring one to consciously remember which color is replying
> to which other color. Too much trouble, so I generally ignore the whole
> thing except what's CLEARLY new text.
>
double space; HTML uses a very thin dark sky blue line to indicate
threads by doing this a thread going say 25 levels deep might only
displace the threads by no more than 1/2 inch at the most. with
formflowed or the >'s you'd have to scroll way off screen and back
several times on a 17" monitor.
I've add Quote Color to both Thunderbird, and Seamonkey and I almost get
what I desire in Plain text. I have two disappointments I wish it could
bold the fonts and and wished it worked both for sending as well as
receiving post.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
The problem your running into is possible one of how different platforms
render Fonts.
ON PC syste they use 96dpi 8/12 dot or pixel pattern on Mac for example
fonts arendered 72 dpi 9/8 pattern So if you were to send me something
in 14pt type it would appear to me as 10 type so if I were to send you
something what I call 10 pt Type it would be 72/96 as large roughly 7
or 8 point. to avoid the problem all together if I was to send you a
document I would send in PDF because fonts don't change between platforms.
I see a lot of post sent by outlook and Entourage and let me tell you
its difficult to read those post I have to squint even with my glasses
to see the stuff :-(
>
> I don't understand the fixation with html. I would assume that most
> people have their mail/newsreaders configured to use fonts and colors
> that they find attractive/comfortable -- why do jerks feel they have to
> superimpose THEIR choices on others?
>
> OK, I have an answer: it's the same reason that people holding yard
> sales won't open up until the exact second of the appointed hour, even
> if they and their helpers are all set up and a crowd has gathered.
>
> Hint: one manifestation is anal retentivity.
>
> That's right, you guessed it: a total lack of power or control in the
> important phases of their own lives, so they make up for it by
> inflicting petty tyrannies on others.
>
> I remember being enthralled when word processors first used right
> justification and then (unbelievable joy) PROPORTIONAL FONTS and bold
> and italics. Wonderful. Beautiful. And then in a few months it became
> old hat and we moved on. Most of us, anyway, even the people who
> actually USED word processors professionally.
>
> Sorry, Andrew, for better or worse you're stuck in the 1970s. Hope your
> lime green leisure suit is comfy, you're going to be wearing it for a
> long time.
>
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RAV
> Control-Alt-Delete can be sure that it is the operating system
> (specifically the WinLogon process), rather than a third party
> program, that is responding to the key combination, and that it is
> therefore safe to enter a password. It was chosen as the secure
> Request/ key), because on the PC platform no program could
> reasonably expect to redefine this keystroke combination for its own
> purposes.
>
> Again, while coding is required, saying that it's the "first to register
> the keyboard hook", implying that others can also register. As such it's
> probably implemented as a linked list with the WinLogon process at the
> head of the list. Well code is code and virus code can easily modify
> this link list such that it is at the head of the list and WinLogon is
> 2nd (or even removed or replaced). Indeed, following the link above
> confirms this:
>
> Though third party application programs cannot intercept such a key,
> administrative access to the target computer, could modify the
> operating system and could thus obtain control of the secure
> attention key of the affected system.
>
> IOW it's no real security...
I'm afraid you're probably right. Though in terms of how likely it is
for someone to be infected by a rootkit, as opposed to just some program
displaying a phony login page, I would think it would be less likely to
be infected with such a rootkit. But I might be wrong. As a co-worker
of mine once said, a higher wall will keep out more highly skilled
people, but the average person walking blind into a one-foot-high wall
will be deterred.
squaredancer
to generate the following:? :
>Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>
>
>
>>Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your
>>>>not posting pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very
>>>tiring on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>>>
>>>With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
>>>black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>>>
>>>
>>You mean like this?
>>
>>
>
>I don't think that light cyan counts as light blue, and it's plenty damn
>painful to look at. Did you choose that deliberately for its annoyance
>value? Way to go, man!
>
>Moreover, there are no indentations indicating previous levels of
>comment, requiring one to consciously remember which color is replying
>to which other color. Too much trouble, so I generally ignore the whole
>thing except what's CLEARLY new text.
>
>
>
opinions differ, Bev.... that background is much the colour of my
car.... beeoootiful :-)
Dunno what happened at your end, but I got the indentations OK (view in
HTML mode)
reg
squaredancer
>Leonidas Jones wrote:
>
>
>
>>Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>
>>
>>>actually HTML is far easier on the eyes to read. And as long as your not posting
>>>pictures (just text) there no much differences in size.
>>>
>>>
>>Well, Philip, I find black text on a white background to be very tiring
>>on my eyes, to me your html post was an eyesore. ;)
>>
>>With plain text I can set a nice light blue background, on which the
>>black text displays very well, with much less strain.
>>
>>
>
>I find that dark navy blue on light blue works nicely. When I used NS
>4.79 I had a nice mottled light blue-white cloud-like pattern as a
>background, which was even more pleasant. Wish TB could do that...
>
>
>
Bev - try that "dark navy blue" against a *very light* yellow... wunnaful!
reg