Meaning of flame icon

[Maelmoro]

TB moves spam mails into Spam folder, however their flame icon isn't
active (it's gray).

Have I to press the junk button of each mail in the spam folder so that
the flame icon becomes active?

Does TB need that I confirm each mail it moves into Spam folder pressing
the junk button or it's not irrelevant?

Thanks in advance,

Max

[David E. Ross]

If your junk filtering automatically sends the message to your Junk
folder, it should automatically have the flame icon. If you select the
message and then use the Junk button on your tool bar, again it should
automatically have the flame icon; this is the same as selecting the
message and then selecting [Message > Mark > As Junk] on your menu bar.

However, if you move the message from your Inbox or other folder to the
Junk folder, it will NOT have the flame icon. By "move", I mean one of
the following:

* Right-click on the message in the thread pane and select "Move To" in
the context menu.

* Select the message and then select [Message > Move To] on the menu bar.

If you do not have a Junk button on your too lbar, reply here. I will
then tell you how to get it.

--
David E. Ross

Perhaps it was a smart decision for Hillary Clinton to use her
private E-mail server while Secretary of State. According to
current Secretary of State John Kerry, we know that the Russians
and Chinese have hacked the State Department's servers. In the
meantime, a claim by the Romanian hacker known as Guccifer
(Marcel Lehel Lazar) that he hacked into Clinton's E-mail
server proved false.

[Chris Ramsden]

On 26 Jul 2016 23:53, "David E. Ross" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> On 7/26/2016 11:03 AM, Maelmoro wrote:

> If your junk filtering automatically sends the message to your Junk
> folder, it should automatically have the flame icon.  If you select the
> message and then use the Junk button on your tool bar, again it should
> automatically have the flame icon; this is the same as selecting the
> message and then selecting [Message > Mark > As Junk] on your menu bar.
>
> However, if you move the message from your Inbox or other folder to the
> Junk folder, it will NOT have the flame icon.  By "move", I mean one of
> the following:
>
> *       Right-click on the message in the thread pane and select "Move To" in
> the context menu.
>
> *       Select the message and then select [Message > Move To] on the menu bar.
>
> If you do not have a Junk button on your too lbar, reply here.  I will
> then tell you how to get it.
>
> --
> David E. Ross
>
> Perhaps it was a smart decision for Hillary Clinton to use her
> private E-mail server while Secretary of State.  According to
> current Secretary of State John Kerry, we know that the Russians
> and Chinese have hacked the State Department's servers.  In the
> meantime, a claim by the Romanian hacker known as Guccifer
> (Marcel Lehel Lazar) that he hacked into Clinton's E-mail
> server proved false.

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TB does not move messages into a "Spam" folder, unless that's what you set it to do.  This is modt likely being done for you by an external agency such as your email provider or your own security software. 

Thunderbird's built in Junk Controls operate on the Inbox and mark messages as Junk if they fit certain criteria.  It will not modify them in any way, nor use the word "Spam",  but it will display the Junk flame icon.

Since the messages labelled "Spam" were moved by anti-spam software directly into the Spam folder,  they were not presented via your Inbox and so the Junk Controls have not yet been asked to classify them. 

If you wish to manually classify them as Junk then doing so may usefully help train your Junk Controls and improve their accuracy in recognition of unwanted mail.

Personally I find with Gmail (in particular) that a significant number of good messages are incorrectly classified as Spam and I need to be vigilant with checking what appears in the Spam folder and needs to be rescued. 
--
Chris

[Chris Ramsden]

On 2016-07-27 18:31, Maelmoro wrote:
>> TB does not move messages into a "Spam" folder, unless that's what you

>> set it to do. This is most likely being done for you by an external

>> agency such as your email provider or your own security software.
>

> Maybe you explained what happens: my Gmail account and Tiscali account
> could have their spam manager which moves fresh mails into Spam folder
> before TB does anything. That's why mails in Spam folder haven't the
> flame icon as "active" (but I can select it so that TB improves that
> messages as junk..)
>
> I have 2 possibilities:
>
> A) to go on marking flame icones to let TB to understand the mails
> classified as spam by my mail providers (Gmail, Tiscali, etc), but it's
> a job I'd like to avoid every evening..
>
> B) don't go on marking flame icones: in this way all the spam management
> is done by my mail providers
>
> I don't think there's a 3rd possibility:
>
> C) deactivate my provider spam managers in order to let TB totally
> performs spam management
>
> What do you think? what do you suggest?
>
I do (A). I have toolbar buttons for Junk and Not Junk (courtesy of
JunQuilla). It's easy to use ctrl+a to select all messages in the spam
folder, then the toolbar Junk button does the marking. I think the 'j'
key would be just as effective.

I also have a Saved Search Folder which aggregates all my Junk and Spam
folders, so I can deal with /all/ the UCE in one pass. I have accounts
with a variety of providers, so don't really want to have to visit each
one's Junk and Spam folders individually.

A major part of using an email client such as Thunderbird is, for me,
that it's a one-stop shop, and a single interface to work with multiple
email accounts. I don't need to login to a number of different websites
and learn all their idiosyncrasies. That would rule out (B) for me,
because I know I would have to look over their spam folders for
erroneously classified non-spam messages.

(C) may be possible, but some providers (yahoo?) don't allow their users
any influence over their spam systems. If all of your own email
providers do let you disable their spam filtering then this would be
feasible.
--
Chris

[David E. Ross]

My E-mail host ISP uses SpamAssassin. I set Thunderbird to trust junk
headers set by SpamAssassin. I also set Thunderbird to enable adaptive
junk mail detection.

1. On the Thunderbird menu bar, select [Tools > Account Settings].

2. Adjust the height of the Account Settings window by either dragging
the bottom higher or the top lower and then drag the window so that the
entire window can be seen.

3. Junk Settings under your E-mail account has all the necessary
settings.