Filter for outgoing messages
Michael Kuzmin
I would like to filter outgoing messages in Thunderbird (my version is
1.5.0.5). Is it possible? Please do not offer to BBC myself in all
messages - this is not a solution :).
Thank you!
Melchert Fruitema
searched <https://addons.mozilla.org/> for it, right?
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Melchert
MacOS 10.3.9/Firefox 1.5/Thunderbird 1.5
Michael Kuzmin
> On 07-08-2006 10:25 CET, Michael Kuzmin composed this enchanting statement:
>> Hello!
>>
>> I would like to filter outgoing messages in Thunderbird (my version is
>> 1.5.0.5). Is it possible? Please do not offer to BBC myself in all
>> messages - this is not a solution :).
> No, unless someone found a way to do it via an extension. I guess you've
> searched <https://addons.mozilla.org/> for it, right?
>
developers like reading e-mail, not writing :)
Maybe somebody found extension at unofficial sites?
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Maybe if you told us what you wanted filtering and why, we MAY be able
to help with a possible solution.
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Michael Kuzmin
Not a problem!
For example, I have a several filters based on "FROM is XXX" which move
incoming e-mails to the different folders (by the name of the sender or
the company - doesn't matter). If I reply to this person I want to move
the message which I just sent to the same folder - thus I see all
conversation within one folder. Of cause I can add "TO is XXX" to the
fame filter rule - but it doesn't work.
I know only one solution at the moment: Saved Search with conditions
"FROM is XXX" OR "TO is XXX" with selected INBOX and SENT folders to
search. But it-s not good way to keep all mail only in 2 folders with a
lot of saved search (if I have 200+ accounts).
Did it explain my wishes?
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Ok, what I do, and it works:
"To" "contains" "reci...@wherever.com"
"Move message to" "Jay's Personal Mailbox" "recipient name folder"
When a new email arrives for which there is no filter setup yet, I
right-click on the address in the divider bar and select "Create filter
from message".
goodwin
Isn't that incoming, not outgoing?
gwtc
Create the filters you want, then at the filter window, click on the
Filter you want to run, then at the bottom, in the drop down, select
the folder you want the filter to run on [ie: sent folder], then hit
the Run button.
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Moz Champion (Dan)
Its simple enough to make an outgoing an incoming, BCC it to yourself
when you send. Voils, the message is now incoming and will be filtered
to the appropriate folder.
I use that myself
If <To> <is> <nameofrecipient>
AND
If <Sender> <is> <myname>
<Move to> <folder>
gwtc
Moz Champion (Dan)
But it does EXACTLY what he wants, so I figured I would mention it.
Lee Babcock
Why would you want to filter out your own messages you are sending?
Regards
Lee
Moz Champion (Dan)
He wishes to have them stored along with the recipients messages. The
BCC trick is a means of doing that, but for some reason he doesnt want that
Chris Ilias
> For example, I have a several filters based on "FROM is XXX" which move
> incoming e-mails to the different folders (by the name of the sender or
> the company - doesn't matter). If I reply to this person I want to move
> the message which I just sent to the same folder - thus I see all
> conversation within one folder. Of cause I can add "TO is XXX" to the
> fame filter rule - but it doesn't work.
>
> I know only one solution at the moment: Saved Search with conditions
> "FROM is XXX" OR "TO is XXX" with selected INBOX and SENT folders to
> search. But it-s not good way to keep all mail only in 2 folders with a
> lot of saved search (if I have 200+ accounts).
>
> Did it explain my wishes?
Another workaround:
Create a separate identity[1] for each folder. Each identity has its own
"Copies & Folders" panel, where you can set "When sending messages,
automatically" "place a copy in" "other", and set it to the folder that
identity is for.
The only caveat is that you keep track of which id you're using when you
send messages.
[1]<http://ilias.ca/flashback/tb-adding-identities.html>
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Chris Ilias
> _Michael Kuzmin_ spoke thusly on 07/08/2006 10:23 AM:
>> For example, I have a several filters based on "FROM is XXX" which
>> move incoming e-mails to the different folders (by the name of the
>> sender or the company - doesn't matter). If I reply to this person I
>> want to move the message which I just sent to the same folder - thus I
>> see all conversation within one folder. Of cause I can add "TO is XXX"
>> to the fame filter rule - but it doesn't work.
>>
>> I know only one solution at the moment: Saved Search with conditions
>> "FROM is XXX" OR "TO is XXX" with selected INBOX and SENT folders to
>> search. But it-s not good way to keep all mail only in 2 folders with
>> a lot of saved search (if I have 200+ accounts).
>>
>> Did it explain my wishes?
>
> Another workaround:
> Create a separate identity[1] for each folder. Each identity has its own
> "Copies & Folders" panel, where you can set "When sending messages,
> automatically" "place a copy in" "other", and set it to the folder that
> identity is for.
>
> The only caveat is that you keep track of which id you're using when you
> send messages.
>
> [1]<http://ilias.ca/flashback/tb-adding-identities.html>
BTW, Thunderbird2 will have this feature.
"Place replies in the folder of the message being replied to"
Michael Kuzmin
> BTW, Thunderbird2 will have this feature.
> "Place replies in the folder of the message being replied to"
Really? Looking forward to installing this release Late Fall 2006!
Michael Kuzmin
>
> But it does EXACTLY what he wants, so I figured I would mention it.
No! In my first message I wrote "Please do not offer to BBC myself in
all messages - this is not a solution :)". This is not a solution - it's
a trick. We are speaking here about the possibility of the program to
filter outgoing messages automatically.
Moz Champion (Dan)
What do you mean its a trick? Its a means of doing EXACTLY what you want
to do!
TB doesnt provide a means to filter outgoing messages automatically, so
you simply make it an INCOMING message by BCCing yourself on it. You
simply have it added automatically to every message from that account,
and when they arrive back in your inbox, they will be sorted to the
recipients folder, just like you wanted.
And once they are there, there is no trace of the BCC remaining! The
message will bear the TO (and/or CC) you sent it with, but wont retain
the BCC, so essentially, once its all over and done, its EXACTLY what
you want.
Since Thunderbird currently doesnt allow for automatic filtering of
outbound, you simply make it an inbound message, where automatic
filtering is already available.
It works wonders actually. I use it to sort my spam reporting messages
into folders for the specific isp abuse desk
Kerouac Cleary
Check out the "Copy Sent to Current" extension. As long as you are
careful to choose the folder you want the 'sent' message to end up in,
it works like a charm.
--Kerouac
Michael Kuzmin
Kerouac Cleary
You're welcome.
gwtc
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Chris Ilias
> Michael Kuzmin wrote:
>> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>>
>>> But it does EXACTLY what he wants, so I figured I would mention it.
>>
>> No! In my first message I wrote "Please do not offer to BBC myself in
>> all messages - this is not a solution :)". This is not a solution -
>> it's a trick. We are speaking here about the possibility of the
>> program to filter outgoing messages automatically.
>
> What do you mean its a trick?
He means it's a workaround. What he wants is for the filtering to be
done on the sent message, not on an incoming message.
Moz Champion (Dan)
> _Moz Champion (Dan)_ spoke thusly on 08/08/2006 2:44 AM:
>> Michael Kuzmin wrote:
>>> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>>>
>>>> But it does EXACTLY what he wants, so I figured I would mention it.
>>>
>>> No! In my first message I wrote "Please do not offer to BBC myself in
>>> all messages - this is not a solution :)". This is not a solution -
>>> it's a trick. We are speaking here about the possibility of the
>>> program to filter outgoing messages automatically.
>>
>> What do you mean its a trick?
>
> He means it's a workaround. What he wants is for the filtering to be
> done on the sent message, not on an incoming message.
Well, Thunderbird doesnt DO outbound filtering in current versions. But
it DOES do automatic incoming filtering, which will do EXACTLY what he wants
So, he can either have a product NOW that does EXACTLY what he wants, or
he can continue to cry about things and not do it. His choice
Chris Ilias
> Well, Thunderbird doesnt DO outbound filtering in current versions. But
> it DOES do automatic incoming filtering, which will do EXACTLY what he
> wants
What he wants is outbound filtering; thus it is not exactly what he wants.
Christopher Jahn
news:gPWdnb96dLcMhETZ...@mozilla.org:
> _Moz Champion (Dan)_ spoke thusly on 08/08/2006 7:04 PM:
>> Well, Thunderbird doesnt DO outbound filtering in current
>> versions. But it DOES do automatic incoming filtering, which
>> will do EXACTLY what he wants
>
> What he wants is outbound filtering; thus it is not exactly
> what he wants.
No, that's only what he THINKS he wants. What he ACTUALLY wants
is for a copy of the message end up stored in a specific folder.
It's entirely his hang-up that he wants to dictate specifically
how that action is accomplished.
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Moz Champion (Dan)
> _Moz Champion (Dan)_ spoke thusly on 08/08/2006 7:04 PM:
>> Well, Thunderbird doesnt DO outbound filtering in current versions.
>> But it DOES do automatic incoming filtering, which will do EXACTLY
>> what he wants
>
> What he wants is outbound filtering; thus it is not exactly what he wants.
He wanted something to filter his messages into the same folders as the
ones he is answering, I gave him the hows to do that.
Does it matter how you get there, if the choice is to either get there
or not?
Outbound filtering isnt available in current versions. But it does do
automatic incoming filtering, which will do EXACTLY what he wants done.
So once again, he can use the workaround or 'trick' and have what he
wants (messages sorted to respective folders) or he can choose not to
and simply continue to moan and groan about it. I cant change the
product as it exists NOW, so I provided the best means I know of to
accomplish what he wants done. If he dont like it, then he dont have to
use it, but it does EXACTLY what he said he wanted.
Chris Ilias
> Chris Ilias wrote:
>> _Moz Champion (Dan)_ spoke thusly on 08/08/2006 7:04 PM:
>>> Well, Thunderbird doesnt DO outbound filtering in current versions.
>>> But it DOES do automatic incoming filtering, which will do EXACTLY
>>> what he wants
>>
>> What he wants is outbound filtering; thus it is not exactly what he
>> wants.
>
> He wanted something to filter his messages into the same folders as the
> ones he is answering, I gave him the hows to do that.
A workaround is a different means the the same end. What he wants is a
specific means to that end. That means being outbound filtering.
Besides, anyone who has ever tried auto BCCing one's self know how
annoying it is it have two copies of the same message, and get notified
of messages from yourself. :-)
If the OP doesn't want a certain route, then he doesn't want it. Don't
like an AOL cancellation rep, by telling him what he wants.
Moz Champion (Dan)
> _Moz Champion (Dan)_ spoke thusly on 08/08/2006 7:41 PM:
>> Chris Ilias wrote:
>>> _Moz Champion (Dan)_ spoke thusly on 08/08/2006 7:04 PM:
>>>> Well, Thunderbird doesnt DO outbound filtering in current versions.
>>>> But it DOES do automatic incoming filtering, which will do EXACTLY
>>>> what he wants
>>>
>>> What he wants is outbound filtering; thus it is not exactly what he
>>> wants.
>>
>> He wanted something to filter his messages into the same folders as
>> the ones he is answering, I gave him the hows to do that.
>
> A workaround is a different means the the same end. What he wants is a
> specific means to that end. That means being outbound filtering.
>
> Besides, anyone who has ever tried auto BCCing one's self know how
> annoying it is it have two copies of the same message, and get notified
> of messages from yourself. :-)
>
> If the OP doesn't want a certain route, then he doesn't want it. Don't
> like an AOL cancellation rep, by telling him what he wants.
Once more, Outbound filtering ISNT available in current versions. So its
either NO You can do that OR you can do it this way, the choice is
his to make.
I use the auto BCC myself all the time. From one of my accounts, (the
spam reporting one) Every message I send out is BCC'd back to me - if it
was addressed to any of the 100 or so abuse desks I have folders for, it
is automatically filtered into the proper one.
So big deal I now have two copies of the message, one in my Sent folder
and another one where it belongs. I simply delete anything in the sent
folder, the ones I need/want are already in their respective folders.
Chris Ilias
> Chris Ilias wrote:
>
>> A workaround is a different means the the same end. What he wants is a
>> specific means to that end. That means being outbound filtering.
>>
>> Besides, anyone who has ever tried auto BCCing one's self know how
>> annoying it is it have two copies of the same message, and get
>> notified of messages from yourself. :-)
>>
>> like an AOL cancellation rep, by telling him what he wants.
>
> Once more, Outbound filtering ISNT available in current versions. So its
> either NO You can do that OR you can do it this way, the choice is
> his to make.
And as we all read in the original post, he knows about that workaround,
and doesn't want to do it that way. The problem is that you keep shoving
down his throat, telling him it is "exactly" what he wants.
> I use the auto BCC myself all the time. From one of my accounts, (the
> spam reporting one) Every message I send out is BCC'd back to me - if it
> was addressed to any of the 100 or so abuse desks I have folders for, it
> is automatically filtered into the proper one.
> So big deal I now have two copies of the message, one in my Sent folder
> and another one where it belongs. I simply delete anything in the sent
> folder, the ones I need/want are already in their respective folders.
YOU may not consider it to be a big deal; but that doesn't matter. It's
an annoyance (big or small).
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Dan, he wants OUTBOUND filtering, for example:
joe@joes_server.com sends him a message. All well and fine, the message
can be filtered to the "JOE" folder. When the op replies to
joe@joes_server.com he wants THAT reply to be auto-deposited in the
"JOE" folder as well. At present there is no functionality to do that
except by using the extension mentioned. And it cannot be done by BCC,
AFAIK, either cuz how's the BCC gonna know to deposit the replied
message to the "JOE" folder or the "TOM" folder or the "JERRY" folder
with each specific reply??
Moz Champion (Dan)
No, will you please read what I am saying? It does EXACTLY what he said
he wanted to do. It is exactly what he wants.
this is what the OP said he wants
For example, I have a several filters based on "FROM is XXX" which move
>> incoming e-mails to the different folders (by the name of the sender or
>> the company - doesn't matter). If I reply to this person I want to move
>> the message which I just sent to the same folder - thus I see all
>> conversation within one folder. Of cause I can add "TO is XXX" to the
>> fame filter rule - but it doesn't work.
All he does is add To is XXX in his filters and BCC himself. Period
Simple. Elegant. EXACTLY what he wants!
But he doesnt want the BCC 'trick' then fine, He CANT DO it! Go away!
Moz Champion (Dan)
Its quite simple.
Filter says
<To or CC> <is> [tom.whatever]
Move to folder Tom
AND
<sender> <is> [me.whatever]
Filter says
<To or CC <is> [jerry.whatever]
Move to folder Jerry
When you BCC yourself the message comes back with the TO intact, so if
you addressed it to Tom, it goes in the Tom Folder.
Like I said, I use it myself and have over a 100 different folders to
feed into. If the message is addressed to a specific abuse desk, then it
goes into the folder for that abuse desk.
Um, I also add that the sender in each case is me (or the account I am
sending from to be more exact) - to keep spam out of the files.
It works quite well, now all my abuse reports are filed in a folder for
each abuse desk - automatically.
Chris Ilias
> Chris Ilias wrote:
>
>> And as we all read in the original post, he knows about that
>> workaround, and doesn't want to do it that way. The problem is that
>> you keep shoving down his throat, telling him it is "exactly" what he
>> wants.
>
> he wanted to do. It is exactly what he wants.
>
> this is what the OP said he wants
> For example, I have a several filters based on "FROM is XXX" which move
> >> incoming e-mails to the different folders (by the name of the sender or
> >> the company - doesn't matter). If I reply to this person I want to move
> >> the message which I just sent to the same folder - thus I see all
> >> conversation within one folder. Of cause I can add "TO is XXX" to the
> >> fame filter rule - but it doesn't work.
>
>
> All he does is add To is XXX in his filters and BCC himself. Period
> Simple. Elegant. EXACTLY what he wants!
>
> But he doesnt want the BCC 'trick' then fine, He CANT DO it! Go away!
Please read what the OP said.
<http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird/msg/ecb8a0f648419293>
"Please do not offer to BBC myself in all messages"
If you're just going to offer advice the OP doesn't want, then you
should "go away!" You're not helping anyone.
Moz Champion (Dan)
Even when what he says he doesnt want is the exact solution he needs?
There is no other means of doing it using currrent versions.
Chris Ilias
> Chris Ilias wrote:
>
>> If you're just going to offer advice the OP doesn't want, then you
>> should "go away!" You're not helping anyone.
>
> Even when what he says he doesnt want is the exact solution he needs?
If the OP states that he doesn't want that specific solution, that means
he already knows of that option, so there's no point in telling him
about it.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Whether it works or not is irrelevant.
<slap>he doesn't want to use the BCC functionality</slap>
The extension mentioned eons ago in this thread works and the feature
will be included in a later version.
The Real Bev
> Lee Babcock wrote:
>> Michael Kuzmin wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to filter outgoing messages in Thunderbird (my version is
>>> 1.5.0.5). Is it possible? Please do not offer to BBC myself in all
>>> messages - this is not a solution :).
>>
>> Why would you want to filter out your own messages you are sending?
>
> He wishes to have them stored along with the recipients messages. The
> BCC trick is a means of doing that, but for some reason he doesnt want that
Then you have two copies, assuming you already have a 'Sent' folder.
I would periodically sort my Sent folder by recipient and move all of my
replies to JoeGreen into JoeGreen's folder.
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Moz Champion (Dan)
> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>
>> Lee Babcock wrote:
>>> Michael Kuzmin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would like to filter outgoing messages in Thunderbird (my version
>>>> is 1.5.0.5). Is it possible? Please do not offer to BBC myself in
>>>> all messages - this is not a solution :).
>>>
>>> Why would you want to filter out your own messages you are sending?
>>
>> He wishes to have them stored along with the recipients messages. The
>> BCC trick is a means of doing that, but for some reason he doesnt want
>> that
>
> Then you have two copies, assuming you already have a 'Sent' folder.
>
> I would periodically sort my Sent folder by recipient and move all of my
> replies to JoeGreen into JoeGreen's folder.
>
Only if you have one saved to the Sent folder <g>. Since you are sending
it BCC back to yourself there is no need is there?
The Real Bev
You mean there are people who DON'T keep copies in a Sent (or other)
folder? I find that hard to believe. Keeping a copy seems so much less
wasteful than bothering the internets with sending you a copy of your
own message.
--
Cheers, Bev
Sending from her windows machine
Christopher Jahn
news:QoadnScwUelIlUHZ...@mozilla.org:
>> Only if you have one saved to the Sent folder <g>. Since you
>> are sending it BCC back to yourself there is no need is
>> there?
>
> You mean there are people who DON'T keep copies in a Sent (or
> other) folder? I find that hard to believe. Keeping a copy
> seems so much less wasteful than bothering the internets with
> sending you a copy of your own message.
The problem is that it ends up in the SENT folder, and not a
folder particular to the subject of the email. It's useful to
have a folder of sent messages specific to a project. Currently,
all outgoing messages are lumped together.
The one feature that I really miss from Pegasus is the ability to
filter ANY folder. You can have a rough sort into Folder A, and
Folder A can sort into folders B, C, and D, and so on.
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Moz Champion (Dan)
On the account where I BCC myself (and they are automatically filtered
to the proper folder) I dont keep a copy in Sent. Why? I already have a
copy in the proper folder - and if it isnt, it will be sitting in the
inbox so I can sort it. No need to keep a copy in Sent for that account.
On my other accounts, yep I have a copy in Sent.
But you said I have two copies, and I dont.