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Pete Holsberg

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Mar 9, 2010, 7:09:04 PM3/9/10
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Is there a way (configuration or perhaps an extension?) that will
either automatically compact *all* folders when exiting, or on the
single click of a button?

Jari Fredriksson

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Mar 9, 2010, 7:13:53 PM3/9/10
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File->Compact Folders takes 2 clicks. Is that too bad?

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Pete Holsberg

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Mar 9, 2010, 7:28:48 PM3/9/10
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Jari Fredriksson has written on 3/9/2010 7:13 PM:

> On 10.3.2010 2:09, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> > Is there a way (configuration or perhaps an extension?) that will
> > either automatically compact *all* folders when exiting, or on the
> > single click of a button?
> >
>
> File->Compact Folders takes 2 clicks. Is that too bad?
>

Two clicks for _/*each*/_ folder. I don't know how many folders you
have, but I have many.

Jari Fredriksson

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Mar 9, 2010, 7:37:17 PM3/9/10
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I have about 200 folders. Those two clicks compact them all. As it says:
"Compact folder*s*".

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David Pyles

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Mar 9, 2010, 8:01:57 PM3/9/10
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Two clicks for each ACCOUNT.
Dave Pyles

clay

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Mar 9, 2010, 8:08:14 PM3/9/10
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None that I know of.

I wasn't a fan of the way TB handles compacting when it first came out.
Preferred the MS Communicator way of compacting on exit.
Machines were a lot slower back then. Compacting could take many seconds.
Now it takes a blink or two, done.
I set mine to compact at 10000 KB then let it compact whenever...
I rarely even notice when it compacts.
Zero impact on usability afaiac.

Pete Holsberg

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Mar 9, 2010, 8:15:44 PM3/9/10
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Jari Fredriksson has written on 3/9/2010 7:37 PM:

> On 10.3.2010 2:28, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> > Jari Fredriksson has written on 3/9/2010 7:13 PM:
> >> On 10.3.2010 2:09, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> >> > Is there a way (configuration or perhaps an extension?) that will
> >> > either automatically compact *all* folders when exiting, or on the
> >> > single click of a button?
> >> >
> >> File->Compact Folders takes 2 clicks. Is that too bad?
> >>
> >
> > Two clicks for _/*each*/_ folder. I don't know how many folders you
> > have, but I have many.
>
> I have about 200 folders. Those two clicks compact them all. As it says:
> "Compact folder*s*".
>


Where does it say that???

Pete Holsberg

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Ooops. My bad. I did not see /_*FILE*_/ > Compact Folders. Thanks.

Larry Sheldon

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Mar 9, 2010, 8:30:33 PM3/9/10
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Thinking "hell, I'm smart enough to work that out!" I wandered off to
mash the ""Help" think up there at the top--which lead to a page
somewhere that I think said something about "Knowledge base" (Hard to
say for sure--light pastel on light pastel and grey-out text). looked
up "Compact Folders".

To avoid being admonished again I will just say that it was unsatisfying.


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Terry R.

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Don't even take your hands off the keyboard. Press ALT-F-F then Alt-F4
(compact & close).

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Piperson

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Mar 9, 2010, 8:37:09 PM3/9/10
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Xpurge empties all the trash and compact all folder auto"magically".

Pete Holsberg

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Larry Sheldon has written on 3/9/2010 8:30 PM:

> On 3/9/2010 7:15 PM, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> > Jari Fredriksson has written on 3/9/2010 7:37 PM:
> >> On 10.3.2010 2:28, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> >>> Jari Fredriksson has written on 3/9/2010 7:13 PM:
> >>>> On 10.3.2010 2:09, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> >>>>> Is there a way (configuration or perhaps an extension?) that will
> >>>>> either automatically compact *all* folders when exiting, or on the
> >>>>> single click of a button?
> >>>>>
> >>>> File->Compact Folders takes 2 clicks. Is that too bad?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Two clicks for _/*each*/_ folder. I don't know how many folders you
> >>> have, but I have many.
> >>
> >> I have about 200 folders. Those two clicks compact them all. As it says:
> >> "Compact folder*s*".
>
> > Where does it say that???
>
> Thinking "hell, I'm smart enough to work that out!" I wandered off to
> mash the ""Help" think up there at the top--which lead to a page
> somewhere that I think said something about "Knowledge base" (Hard to
> say for sure--light pastel on light pastel and grey-out text). looked
> up "Compact Folders".
>
> To avoid being admonished again I will just say that it was unsatisfying.
>

Help brought me to <http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/> where I
searched for compact folders and got this:
<http://www.google.com/cse?cx=003258325049489668794%3Aru2dpahviq8&q=compact+folders&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A1>

The first item listed said


/Compacting folders/ - MozillaZine Knowledge Base
<http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders>

Nov 21, 2009 *...* To /compact/ all /folders/ in an account manually,
click the account on the left, and then click "File -> /Compact
Folders/". *...*
kb.mozillazine.org/*Compacting*_*folders

Didn't see any pastel colors at all.
*

Larry Sheldon

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On 3/9/2010 7:46 PM, Pete Holsberg wrote:

> Help brought me to <http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/> where I
> searched for compact folders and got this:
> <http://www.google.com/cse?cx=003258325049489668794%3Aru2dpahviq8&q=compact+folders&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A1>
>
> The first item listed said
>
> /Compacting folders/ - MozillaZine Knowledge Base
> <http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders>
>
> Nov 21, 2009 *...* To /compact/ all /folders/ in an account manually,
> click the account on the left, and then click "File -> /Compact
> Folders/". *...*
> kb.mozillazine.org/*Compacting*_*folders
>
> Didn't see any pastel colors at all.

I hate it when that happens.

I'll look again.

Larry Sheldon

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Mar 9, 2010, 9:41:39 PM3/9/10
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On 3/9/2010 8:01 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> On 3/9/2010 7:46 PM, Pete Holsberg wrote:
>
>> Help brought me to <http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/> where I
>> searched for compact folders and got this:
>> <http://www.google.com/cse?cx=003258325049489668794%3Aru2dpahviq8&q=compact+folders&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A1>
>>
>> The first item listed said
>>
>> /Compacting folders/ - MozillaZine Knowledge Base
>> <http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders>
>>
>> Nov 21, 2009 *...* To /compact/ all /folders/ in an account manually,
>> click the account on the left, and then click "File -> /Compact
>> Folders/". *...*
>> kb.mozillazine.org/*Compacting*_*folders
>>
>> Didn't see any pastel colors at all.
>
> I hate it when that happens.
>
> I'll look again.
>
Help->Help Contents F1 took me to a page that I did not in fact describe
accurately.

The page is light blue (light cyan, maybe) with some faded pinkish
Moslem-looking silhouettes.

The text is light gray and light orange against the light cyan.

Searching for ->compact folders<- brought up:

New in Thunderbird 3 <---in orange

Thunderbird also uses All Mail as the Archives folder. There is now a
Compact button that has the same functionality as the Compact menu item. ...

Migration Assistant <---in orange

Smart folders can be configured so that messages in multiple accounts
are grouped ... If you prefer the compact header that was available in
Thunderbird 2 , ...

Neither appeared to be relevant.

Greywolf

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Mar 9, 2010, 9:44:52 PM3/9/10
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Tools > Options > Advanced > Network and Disk Space > check Compact
folders..."


HTH
wolf k.

Ryan P.

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Mar 8, 2010, 11:20:56 PM3/8/10
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On 3/9/2010 6:13 PM, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
> On 10.3.2010 2:09, Pete Holsberg wrote:
>> Is there a way (configuration or perhaps an extension?) that will
>> either automatically compact *all* folders when exiting, or on the
>> single click of a button?
>>
>
> File->Compact Folders takes 2 clicks. Is that too bad?

Forgive me for asking a dumb question...

But if its good practice to occasionally compact your folders, and NOT
compacting ever causes problem, why don't the setting default to compact
at some predetermined time? Allow power users to change the settings,
of course, but why not default to compact on startup or something similar?

V S Rawat

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Mar 10, 2010, 12:57:28 AM3/10/10
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On 3/10/2010 6:07 AM India Time, _Jari Fredriksson_ wrote:

> I have about 200 folders. Those two clicks compact them all. As it says:
> "Compact folder*s*".
>

How many secretary are you employing to manage them?

:-) :-) :-)

I am fed up with my 20 so folders that I keep on getting mixed up.
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V S Rawat

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Mar 10, 2010, 1:00:32 AM3/10/10
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On 3/10/2010 5:43 AM India Time, _Jari Fredriksson_ wrote:

> On 10.3.2010 2:09, Pete Holsberg wrote:
>> Is there a way (configuration or perhaps an extension?) that will
>> either automatically compact *all* folders when exiting, or on the
>> single click of a button?
>>
>
> File->Compact Folders takes 2 clicks. Is that too bad?
>

It might feel convenient that TB occassionally compacts the folders
automatically, I had also jumped to set that when I first used TB, but
as folders grew long it became a interruption in my intended
activities when TB went on self-compacting.

Advisable to compact manually by compacting them one by one, those
that you know have a lot of activity in recently, or compact all by
the above command once a week.

Thanks.
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Ron Hunter

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Mar 10, 2010, 3:40:43 AM3/10/10
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Well, one of the benefits of NOT compacting automatically is that if one
finds that he has accidentally deleted something in error, if compaction
has not been done, it is possible to manually manipulate the data in the
Mbox file to restore the message. I have had to do that a few times, so
I only compact when I do a file cleaning periodically.

Frank Kuypers

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Mar 10, 2010, 3:47:16 AM3/10/10
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Or go to Preferences => advanced => Network&Diskspace and at the bottom
one can set the "auto compact" as well....

//FJK

Greywolf

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Possibly because people may accidentally delete a message and two days
later realise they still need it. I always scan the Trash folder before
emptying it, just to reduce then risk.

cheers,
wolf k.

Jari Fredriksson

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On 10.3.2010 7:57, V S Rawat wrote:
> On 3/10/2010 6:07 AM India Time, _Jari Fredriksson_ wrote:
>
>> I have about 200 folders. Those two clicks compact them all. As it says:
>> "Compact folder*s*".
>>
>
> How many secretary are you employing to manage them?
>

One, and that is mechanized: my linux server with maildrop rules file.

>
> I am fed up with my 20 so folders that I keep on getting mixed up.

Ok.


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Jari Fredriksson

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On 10.3.2010 7:57, V S Rawat wrote:

Actually, before 3.0, ThunderBird could not make it. I used Outlook
Express which managed them fine with multi threaded manner.

TB3 made it possible to move from OE. I have tested probably all Windows
IMAP clients, and OE was long the only one capable. OE + OE-QuoteFix.

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WLS

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It's Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Network and Disk Space > check
Compact folders... in my Thunderbird v3.03

Tom

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I like Xpunge addon. You can tell it to empty all the trash bins and
compacts all folder, "automagically"!

On 3/9/2010 7:09 PM, Pete Holsberg wrote:

Terry R.

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Yes, Ron is one of the few who know EXACTLY when they will no longer
need any particular email, so he compacts at EXACTLY the right time.

Actually the best answer is to have BACKUPS that you can revert to in
case an email is inadvertently deleted. Using a webmail app like Gmail
(which Ron refuses) is also a good way. If you want Offline copies, you
can configure it that way also with Gmail.

Pete Holsberg

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Larry Sheldon has written on 3/9/2010 9:41 PM:

> On 3/9/2010 8:01 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> > On 3/9/2010 7:46 PM, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> >
> >> Help brought me to <http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/> where I
> >> searched for compact folders and got this:
> >> <http://www.google.com/cse?cx=003258325049489668794%3Aru2dpahviq8&q=compact+folders&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A1>
> >>
> >> The first item listed said
> >>
> >> /Compacting folders/ - MozillaZine Knowledge Base
> >> <http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders>
> >>
> >> Nov 21, 2009 *...* To /compact/ all /folders/ in an account manually,
> >> click the account on the left, and then click "File -> /Compact
> >> Folders/". *...*
> >> kb.mozillazine.org/*Compacting*_*folders
> >>
> >> Didn't see any pastel colors at all.
> >
> > I hate it when that happens.
> >
> > I'll look again.
> >
> Help->Help Contents F1 took me to a page that I did not in fact describe
> accurately.
>
You're using TB3!!! You got taken to
<http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/> instead of
<http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/>!!!

No wonder!

Hey, Mozilla insiders! What's with the "new" (lousy) help page????

Pete Holsberg

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Tom has written on 3/10/2010 2:56 PM:

> I like Xpunge addon. You can tell it to empty all the trash bins and
> compacts all folder, "automagically"!
>

Downloadable version is for TB3 only.

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Larry Sheldon

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On 3/10/2010 3:09 PM, Pete Holsberg wrote:

> You're using TB3!!! You got taken to
> <http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/> instead of
> <http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/>!!!

Well excuse me. Since were talking about Thunderbird, it never occurred
to me to try Solitaire's Help of something.

Silly me.

> No wonder!
>
> Hey, Mozilla insiders! What's with the "new" (lousy) help page????

Have you seen the "Miss me now?" billboard? I wonder how much it would
cost me to get one that says "Do you see what we mean now?"

Larry Gusaas

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On 2010/03/10 3:31 PM Pete Holsberg wrote:
> Tom has written on 3/10/2010 2:56 PM:
>> I like Xpunge addon. You can tell it to empty all the trash bins and
>> compacts all folder, "automagically"!
>
> Downloadable version is for TB3 only.

At the bottom of the page
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/1279
is a link to "View All Versions" where you can find older versions.

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Ron Hunter

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I have a gmail address. Don't use it for normal email, though.
I HATE webmail for any use but traveling.

Pete Holsberg

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Larry Sheldon has written on 3/10/2010 4:49 PM:

> On 3/10/2010 3:09 PM, Pete Holsberg wrote:
>
> > You're using TB3!!! You got taken to
> > <http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/> instead of
> > <http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/>!!!
>
> Well excuse me. Since were talking about Thunderbird, it never occurred
> to me to try Solitaire's Help of something.
>
> Silly me.
>

You're a bristly old codger, aren't you! I came to your defense and you
jump on me?

What is "Solitaire's Help of something">

> > No wonder!
> >
> > Hey, Mozilla insiders! What's with the "new" (lousy) help page????
>
> Have you seen the "Miss me now?" billboard? I wonder how much it would
> cost me to get one that says "Do you see what we mean now?

Who would read it?

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Pete Holsberg

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Larry Gusaas has written on 3/10/2010 5:32 PM:

> On 2010/03/10 3:31 PM Pete Holsberg wrote:
> > Tom has written on 3/10/2010 2:56 PM:
> >> I like Xpunge addon. You can tell it to empty all the trash bins and
> >> compacts all folder, "automagically"!
> >
> > Downloadable version is for TB3 only.
>
> At the bottom of the page
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/1279
> is a link to "View All Versions" where you can find older versions.
>
>
Thx.

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Larry Sheldon

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On 3/10/2010 6:12 PM, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> Larry Sheldon has written on 3/10/2010 4:49 PM:
>> On 3/10/2010 3:09 PM, Pete Holsberg wrote:
>>
>>> You're using TB3!!! You got taken to
>>> <http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/> instead of
>>> <http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/>!!!
>>
>> Well excuse me. Since were talking about Thunderbird, it never occurred
>> to me to try Solitaire's Help of something.
>>
>> Silly me.
>>
>
> You're a bristly old codger, aren't you! I came to your defense and you
> jump on me?

Probably guilty as charged, but I don't think this is evidence of it.

Honest, I was not targeting you (unless you are a subset of the
following--I don't keep track), I was targeting the people who insist
that this is the best of all possible worlds, that there are no problems
with the update mechanisms, that every thing has been handled perfectly,
and if I don't think so I should pay attention to the people (and be
more appreciative of the people) who insist that this is the best of .....

> What is "Solitaire's Help of something">

Another butchered attempt at a smart alec remark--was supposed to be a
sarcastic reference to the apparent fact that looking to Thunderbird's
"Help" for Help was a mistake, I should perhaps have looked to
Solitaire's "Help" for Thunderbird Help.

>>> No wonder!
>>>
>>> Hey, Mozilla insiders! What's with the "new" (lousy) help page????

This is the line I keyed on, and my whole response was an attempt to be
an intensive for it.

>> Have you seen the "Miss me now?" billboard? I wonder how much it would
>> cost me to get one that says "Do you see what we mean now?
>
> Who would read it?

Evidence is "Probably nobody that matters", but I would hope that the
same group I listed above--the people who insist....


Peace

Tarkus

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On 3/10/2010 12:50 PM, Terry R. wrote:
> Yes, Ron is one of the few who know EXACTLY when they will no longer
> need any particular email, so he compacts at EXACTLY the right time.

TB not only allows you to set when it will automatically delete
messages, but when it will compact automatically based on what YOU set
as what you consider the optimal size to be considered.

Given that, I don't get how someone could accidentally lose a
just-deleted message. At some point, people need to take personal
responsibility, and not blame a program for their own shortcomings.

Larry Sheldon

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On 3/10/2010 7:04 PM, Tarkus wrote:

> Given that, I don't get how someone could accidentally lose a
> just-deleted message. At some point, people need to take personal
> responsibility, and not blame a program for their own shortcomings.

Personal responibility.

WOW!

What a concept!

Ken Whiton

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*-* On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, at 11:55:32 -0500,
*-* In Article <IrydnTgEPvY5UwrW...@mozilla.org>,
*-* WLS wrote
*-* About Re: Auto-compacting?

That's because Wolf is using Windows and you're using Linux.
That particular menu's terminology varies with OS and platform.

(Windows) Tools --> Options
(Linux) Edit --> Preferences
(Mac) Thunderbird --> Preferences

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Terry R.

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Okay. You have made statements in the past that led me to believe what
I said.

But I don't see your reasoning for hating webmail. You don't have to use
the web interface if you don't want. I clean up my Trash folder using
TB because I can sort it. Thinking that you don't want an entity like
Gmail storing your email is no different than your current ISP. Only
difference is you think that by bringing it onto your computer it's more
secure. It's not.

John Thompson

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On 2010-03-10, Ron Hunter <rphu...@charter.net> wrote:

> I have a gmail address. Don't use it for normal email, though.
> I HATE webmail for any use but traveling.

I loath webmail as well, but gmail does offer perfectly good IMAP and
POP3 access, too.

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Terry R.

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> On 2010-03-10, Ron Hunter<rphu...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a gmail address. Don't use it for normal email, though.
>> I HATE webmail for any use but traveling.
>
> I loath webmail as well, but gmail does offer perfectly good IMAP and
> POP3 access, too.
>

It's funny how so many here talk about using plain text for email and
how evil HTML mail is, and yet so many of the same say they loathe
webmail. If those who only use plain text think TB is superior for
shooting off an email, it has nothing to do with the interface, it's a
failure to recognize their support for a product that is losing its
usefulness.

Bob Jamieson

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I use GMail myself . . . both POP3 in TB and webmail also, so I'm
certainly not a webmail hater. GMail has a superior spam filter.

But as far as an ISP being insecure, I agree but there's a BIG
difference in privacy concerns between a Google server and an ISP
server. Privacy concerns with Google would seem to be more acute than
those with an ISP. (In most cases, that is. Unless the ISP an
individual is using is notorious for lack of security, I would think
Privacy concerns with Google are much greater).

Would you agree?

BJ

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Bob Jamieson

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Mar 12, 2010, 1:07:41 PM3/12/10
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Terry R. wrote, On 03/12/2010 10:29 AM:
> On 3/11/2010 7:04 PM On a whim, John Thompson pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> On 2010-03-10, Ron Hunter<rphu...@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a gmail address. Don't use it for normal email, though.
>>> I HATE webmail for any use but traveling.
>>
>> I loath webmail as well, but gmail does offer perfectly good IMAP and
>> POP3 access, too.
>>
>
> It's funny how so many here talk about using plain text for email and
> how evil HTML mail is, and yet so many of the same say they loathe
> webmail. If those who only use plain text think TB is superior for
> shooting off an email, it has nothing to do with the interface, it's a
> failure to recognize their support for a product that is losing its
> usefulness.
>
>
> Terry R.

Two questions. One to Terry and one to John T.

1. Terry . . . what is your basis for saying TB is "losing it's
usefulness"? Do you mean "usefulness" only for you, or are you saying
it's global?

2. John . . . what is your basis for saying you "loath webmnail"?

Bob Jamieson

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Mar 12, 2010, 1:10:51 PM3/12/10
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Ken,

Is there any purpose to the different paths?

Pete Holsberg

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Mar 12, 2010, 7:49:36 PM3/12/10
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Bob Jamieson has written on 3/12/2010 1:10 PM:

> >> It's Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Network and Disk Space > check
> >> Compact folders... in my Thunderbird v3.03
> >
> > That's because Wolf is using Windows and you're using Linux.
> > That particular menu's terminology varies with OS and platform.
> >
> > (Windows) Tools --> Options
> > (Linux) Edit --> Preferences
> > (Mac) Thunderbird --> Preferences
> >
> > Ken Whiton
>
> Ken,
>
> Is there any purpose to the different paths?
>
> BJ
>
>

It's historical. Unix started with one path and Windows, being
different, chose something else. Don't forget, MS changed the forward
slash in file pathnames to a backslash, for no good reason that I know
of! ;-)

--
Pete Holsberg
Columbus, NJ

Whether you think you can or think you can't, either way you are right.
- Henry Ford

Gord McFee

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Mar 12, 2010, 7:50:15 PM3/12/10
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On 3/9/2010 8:15 PM, Pete Holsberg wrote:

> Jari Fredriksson has written on 3/9/2010 7:37 PM:
>> On 10.3.2010 2:28, Pete Holsberg wrote:
>>> Jari Fredriksson has written on 3/9/2010 7:13 PM:


>>>> On 10.3.2010 2:09, Pete Holsberg wrote:
>>>>> Is there a way (configuration or perhaps an extension?) that will
>>>>> either automatically compact *all* folders when exiting, or on the
>>>>> single click of a button?
>>>>>

>>>> File->Compact Folders takes 2 clicks. Is that too bad?
>>>>
>>>

>>> Two clicks for _/*each*/_ folder. I don't know how many folders you
>>> have, but I have many.


>>
>> I have about 200 folders. Those two clicks compact them all. As it says:
>> "Compact folder*s*".
>

> Where does it say that???

File -> Compact Folders.

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Best regards
Gord McFee

Chris Ilias

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Mar 12, 2010, 9:08:41 PM3/12/10
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On 10-03-12 1:10 PM, Bob Jamieson wrote:
> Ken Whiton wrote, On 03/10/2010 11:28 PM:
>
>> (Windows) Tools --> Options
>> (Linux) Edit --> Preferences
>> (Mac) Thunderbird --> Preferences
>
> Is there any purpose to the different paths?

Each operating system has their own human interface guidelines, and
Mozilla is just complying with those.
--
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Terry R.

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Mar 13, 2010, 1:30:32 AM3/13/10
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On 3/12/2010 10:00 AM On a whim, Bob Jamieson pounded out on the keyboard

No. Since people acuse Google of those privacy issues, they have to be
even more upstanding than companies that people consider "safe".

Terry R.

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Mar 13, 2010, 1:42:10 AM3/13/10
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On 3/12/2010 10:07 AM On a whim, Bob Jamieson pounded out on the keyboard

Bob,

Look at the move towards web based email in the last two years. Even MS
has eliminated its mail client altogether from Windows 7. Anyone
thinking a mail client is going to survive the next 5 years is being
very hopeful. Of course I'm not talking to those that won't give up TB
or their "favorite" client for anything. You can't reason with them at
all. But the numbers show that mail clients are quickly losing their
usefulness.

For me, I grew tired of having my mail ONLY on my workstation using TB.
Since it isn't installed on every computer I touch, I basically could
only access it from my own workstation. Since I have all my mail
accounts go to Gmail, along with my contacts and calendar, I now can
access it anywhere on my Palm Pre or any other computer I touch with an
internet connection. It no longer makes any sense to have access to
email/contacts/calendar on one machine. Sure you can use Portable Apps,
but it's not the same. I can respond to any email, update any contact
or calendar event from ANY workstation or my Pre, and it's immediately
updated. That is far from the single use of TB.

Heck even for newsgroups the same thing is happening. Although I loath
clumsy web forums, it doesn't change the fact that more and more
companies are moving to them.

Bob Jamieson

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Mar 13, 2010, 9:08:07 AM3/13/10
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Confused. Are you saying Google is "more upstanding" regarding privacy
issues just because people accuse them of NOT being so?

Bob Jamieson

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Mar 13, 2010, 9:28:04 AM3/13/10
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I guess it depends on what you define as "usefulness".

The numbers may indicate that the 500 pound gorilla (that would be MS)
is eliminating the mail client, but whether or not it's "useful" is
another issue.

Personally, I could give a hoot. Right now I use and prefer the TB
client, but if it's "eliminated", I doubt I'll shed too many tears. I
mean, I already have the GMail account and from time-to-time I visit the
webmail version (mostly just to clean out the folders), so any
transition wouldn't be that painful for me.

I do like having access to archived mail on my local machine, but I can
always copy and paste from webmail if it's an important email.

In fact, now that I think of it, the webmail transition, if it happens,
may discipline me more. I have a nasty habit of archiving every email I
receive and my local machine has 100's of them.

Not starving for disk space, but I'm sure I could probably get rid of
about 90% of them. The tedious copy and paste from webmail would force
me to prioritize and only save those that were absolutely necessary.

So, any transition (5 years?) would actually force me to divorce my
nasty habit of archiving everything.

Not a big deal to me one way or the other. For now though, I'm fine
with TB (version 2.0.0.23 that is).

James

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Mar 13, 2010, 10:23:25 AM3/13/10
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When privacy is discussed how do you know where in the
world/country/state etc. Google has stored/replicated etc. your files.
Under whose privacy laws are you going to be subject to.
china/Denmark/California/New York just where would you need to go in
order to press a privacy breach problem. With your local ISP the issues
are clear but for anything done in the 'cloud' it will become very
blurred. IMHO

JT

Pete Holsberg

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Mar 13, 2010, 12:33:15 PM3/13/10
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This thread is no longer about auto-compacting.

Kindly get your own thread!

Tarkus

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Mar 13, 2010, 12:56:04 PM3/13/10
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On 3/13/2010 6:28 AM, Bob Jamieson wrote:
> I do like having access to archived mail on my local machine, but I can
> always copy and paste from webmail if it's an important email.
>
> In fact, now that I think of it, the webmail transition, if it happens,
> may discipline me more. I have a nasty habit of archiving every email I
> receive and my local machine has 100's of them.
>
> Not starving for disk space, but I'm sure I could probably get rid of
> about 90% of them. The tedious copy and paste from webmail would force
> me to prioritize and only save those that were absolutely necessary.

Why on earth are you going through all that trouble when TB and Gmail
allow you to synchronize any folder or Inbox you want, so that there is
automatically a copy on both their server and your computer?

Terry R.

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Mar 13, 2010, 4:16:24 PM3/13/10
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On 3/13/2010 6:28 AM On a whim, Bob Jamieson pounded out on the keyboard

You can configure Gmail to create offline folders.

Tranas

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Mar 22, 2010, 2:38:19 PM3/22/10
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because that functionality does not work properly.

Tarkus

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Mar 24, 2010, 11:13:01 AM3/24/10
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In what way?

Tranas

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Mar 25, 2010, 3:14:25 AM3/25/10
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First off - gmail [from Tbird 2] tells you not to do that with, for
example, sent mail [google their suggested confuration for mail
clients]. Note that gmail has its own native offline folders feature,
and I suspect that this clashes with Tbird when google makes changes to
their own feature. More often than not, the Tbird synchronize feature
simply creates new "labels" in your gmail account and the results of the
"sychronization" are unpredictable. ymmv

Tarkus

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Mar 26, 2010, 5:05:58 PM3/26/10
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MMDV.

Tranas

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Mar 29, 2010, 1:17:14 AM3/29/10
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Although that may in fact be the case, for most, gmail IMAP
configuration in Thunderbird is not what one would call "easy" to do
right - as can be seen from the following -

http://lifehacker.com/314574/turn-thunderbird-into-the-ultimate-gmail-imap-client

I am not sure how *your* synchronization works, but for me, Thunderbird
downloads *both* what it sees as "inbox" and "all mail" [both of which
are labels, not folders, in gmail - which is bright enough to store just
a *single* copy of the email w/attachements] so you end up with
duplicate [unnecessary, imho] copies of the same email w/attachments -
which can be gargantuan considering the size of gmail's mailbox, since
the same type of *synchronization* also occurs with the label "Sent Mail".

Tranas

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Mar 29, 2010, 3:35:24 AM3/29/10
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<snip>

> Thunderbird
> downloads *both* what it sees as "inbox" and "all mail" [both of which
> are labels, not folders, in gmail - which is bright enough to store just
> a *single* copy of the email w/attachements] so you end up with
> duplicate [unnecessary, imho] copies of the same email w/attachments -
> which can be gargantuan considering the size of gmail's mailbox, since
> the same type of *synchronization* also occurs with the label "Sent Mail".

You can observe the above behavior while the first synch for offline
folders occurs.

A complete "sycronization" of the "inbox" 'folder'/label - and later the
synchronization of "All Mail" and "sent mail" 'folders'/labels.

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