Why TB's default search engine is Bing?

[Lu Wei]

Just curious; and how do I add google as default?
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[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

On 07/06/2012 07:48 AM, Lu Wei wrote:
> Just curious; and how do I add google as default?

Same curiotity: my only "search engine" in TB is the "serach message"
tool box. I think you have an extension disturbing you installation...


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[Ralph Fox]

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:48:36 +0800, Lu Wei wrote:

> Subject: Why TB's default search engine is Bing?

> Just curious; and how do I add google as default?

My TB's default search engine is Google.

I did nothing except install the "English (British)" version of Thunderbird.
* http://www.mozilla.org/thunderbird/all.html

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[Mark Banner]

On 06/07/2012 05:48, Lu Wei wrote:
> Just curious; and how do I add google as default?

https://support.mozillamessaging.com/kb/open-search#w_how-to-add-google-to-the-search-engine-list

Mark.

[Pierre-Jean Raugel]

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[Todd and Margo Chester]

On 07/05/2012 09:48 PM, Lu Wei wrote:
> Just curious; and how do I add google as default?
>

Golf, breakfast, golf, lunch, golf, dinner, golf, hookers, more golf ...

[Lu Wei]

Thank you, though the page did not explain why.

[Ralph Fox]

On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 19:58:55 +0800, Lu Wei wrote:

> Thank you, though the page did not explain why.

See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731590#c12

| The Thunderbird default list of search engines reflects the
| agreements and authorizations we have with their respective
| owners. We do not have such agreement or authorization from
| Google.
| This is a change that's primarily driven by business agreements
| and we generally do not publicly discuss these details. We
| realize it can influence the community, but as it is, we believe
| that the default list of search providers will give great search
| results.

[Lu Wei]

That's OK, at least choice can be made.

[ryan.k...@gmail.com]

ixing this is easy:
Find you Thunderbird profile directory using the instructions here: https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/Profiles#w_where-is-my-profile-stored
Open the actual profile folder "xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.default" and create a folder named "searchplugins".
Close Thunderbird.
Now go to where Firefox is installed (if you have fFF installed) and open the searchplugins directory within. Copy the file named google.xml and paste it into the same directory you created in the Thunderbird profile.
Run Thunderbird again.
Highlight a word in an email and search bing with it. You'll now see the G icon along the left in the list of search engines. Click it and the search will change to Google.
Click the heart in the lower left and Google will become the default search engine.

Viola!

Please share this anywhere you see others having this problem. It's an easy fix, and it's stupid that it's even an issue to find this solution.

[jeff.gi...@gmail.com]

thank you! This worked (sort of).

I had to sudo to root and get the xml from /Applications/.... instead of my local Library directory.

Thanks!

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

ryan.k.oylear wrote:

> Viola!

Cello!

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[The Real Bev]

On 08/05/2012 07:48 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

> ryan.k.oylear wrote:
>
>> Viola!
>
> Cello!

Q: Why is a viola better than a violin?
A: It burns longer.

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Sorry. Reply-To set to moz.gen.

[ekbu...@monmouth.com]

Just curious, why does a EMAIL client even need a search engine. When I am running a search in Thunderbird, I want it to search the messages in my message folders, not the web. Searching the web I do using Firefox.

[Mark Filipak]

I don't find such a search function. How do you invoke it? What menus?
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[Peter Taylor]

On 5/16/2013 5:49 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
> On 2013/5/16 11:00 AM, ekbu...@monmouth.com wrote:
>> Just curious, why does a EMAIL client even need a search engine. When
>> I am
>> running a search in Thunderbird, I want it to search the messages in my
>> message folders, not the web. Searching the web I do using Firefox.
>
> I don't find such a search function. How do you invoke it? What menus?

In the upper right hand corner there is a field where you can either
search the web using Bing or search for messages.

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[Mark Filipak]

Upper right-hand corner, eh? I find no such field. Must be an add-on.

[WaltS]

On 05/16/2013 12:01 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
> On 2013/5/16 11:51 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
>> On 5/16/2013 5:49 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
>>> On 2013/5/16 11:00 AM, ekbu...@monmouth.com wrote:
>>>> Just curious, why does a EMAIL client even need a search engine. When
>>>> I am
>>>> running a search in Thunderbird, I want it to search the messages in my
>>>> message folders, not the web. Searching the web I do using Firefox.
>>>
>>> I don't find such a search function. How do you invoke it? What menus?
>>
>> In the upper right hand corner there is a field where you can either search the
>> web using Bing or search for messages.
>
> Upper right-hand corner, eh? I find no such field. Must be an add-on.
>

Customize, drag and drop Global Search to the Mail Toolbar, or highlight
a term in a message, right-click, select Search Bing for:

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[Mark Filipak]

On 2013/5/16 12:07 PM, WaltS wrote:
> On 05/16/2013 12:01 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
>> On 2013/5/16 11:51 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
>>> On 5/16/2013 5:49 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
>>>> On 2013/5/16 11:00 AM, ekbu...@monmouth.com wrote:
>>>>> Just curious, why does a EMAIL client even need a search engine.
>>>>> When I am running a search in Thunderbird, I want it to search the
>>>>> messages in my message folders, not the web. Searching the web I do
>>>>> using Firefox.
>>>>
>>>> I don't find such a search function. How do you invoke it? What
>>>> menus?
>>>
>>> In the upper right hand corner there is a field where you can either
>>> search the web using Bing or search for messages.
>>
>> Upper right-hand corner, eh? I find no such field. Must be an add-on.
>
> Customize,

Customize Toolbar?

> drag and drop Global Search

"Global Search"? Not found.

> to the Mail Toolbar,

"Mail Toolbar"? What's that?

> or highlight a term in a message, right-click, select Search Bing for:

I found that. I never noticed it before... But somethings not right with
someone's TBird.

[Peter Holsberg]

WaltS has written on 5/16/2013 12:07 PM:

> On 05/16/2013 12:01 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
>> On 2013/5/16 11:51 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
>>> On 5/16/2013 5:49 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
>>>> On 2013/5/16 11:00 AM, ekbu...@monmouth.com wrote:
>>>>> Just curious, why does a EMAIL client even need a search engine. When
>>>>> I am
>>>>> running a search in Thunderbird, I want it to search the messages in my
>>>>> message folders, not the web. Searching the web I do using Firefox.
>>>>
>>>> I don't find such a search function. How do you invoke it? What menus?
>>>
>>> In the upper right hand corner there is a field where you can either search the
>>> web using Bing or search for messages.
>>
>> Upper right-hand corner, eh? I find no such field. Must be an add-on.
>>
>
> Customize, drag and drop Global Search to the Mail Toolbar, or highlight
> a term in a message, right-click, select Search Bing for:

Mine says "Search Google for:"

[WaltS]

On 05/16/2013 12:23 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
> On 2013/5/16 12:07 PM, WaltS wrote:
>> On 05/16/2013 12:01 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
>>> On 2013/5/16 11:51 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
>>>> On 5/16/2013 5:49 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
>>>>> On 2013/5/16 11:00 AM, ekbu...@monmouth.com wrote:
>>>>>> Just curious, why does a EMAIL client even need a search engine.
>>>>>> When I am running a search in Thunderbird, I want it to search the
>>>>>> messages in my message folders, not the web. Searching the web I do
>>>>>> using Firefox.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't find such a search function. How do you invoke it? What
>>>>> menus?
>>>>
>>>> In the upper right hand corner there is a field where you can either
>>>> search the web using Bing or search for messages.
>>>
>>> Upper right-hand corner, eh? I find no such field. Must be an add-on.
>>
>> Customize,
>
> Customize Toolbar?

Right click in the blank space next to the message tab. Customize... is
right under the items for Menu Bar, and Mail Toolbar.

>
>> drag and drop Global Search
>
> "Global Search"? Not found.

Sorry to hear that.

>
>> to the Mail Toolbar,
>
> "Mail Toolbar"? What's that?

It is the toolbar that has Get Mail, Write, Chat, and the Address Book,
and whatever a user adds to it. I think Tag is also there by default.

>
>> or highlight a term in a message, right-click, select Search Bing for:
>
> I found that. I never noticed it before... But somethings not right with
> someone's TBird.
>

Fix it.

[WaltS]

On 05/16/2013 11:00 AM, ekbu...@monmouth.com wrote:
> Just curious, why does a EMAIL client even need a search engine. When I am running a search in Thunderbird, I want it to search the messages in my message folders, not the web. Searching the web I do using Firefox.
>

Why not read the whole thread that started on 2012-07-06?

<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mozilla.support.thunderbird/HC5FaeceUa8>

Too lazy?

"Update search engine list for Thunderbird"

<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731590>

[Peter Taylor]

On 5/16/2013 6:01 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
> On 2013/5/16 11:51 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
>> On 5/16/2013 5:49 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
>>> On 2013/5/16 11:00 AM, ekbu...@monmouth.com wrote:
>>>> Just curious, why does a EMAIL client even need a search engine. When
>>>> I am
>>>> running a search in Thunderbird, I want it to search the messages in my
>>>> message folders, not the web. Searching the web I do using Firefox.
>>>
>>> I don't find such a search function. How do you invoke it? What menus?
>>
>> In the upper right hand corner there is a field where you can either
>> search the
>> web using Bing or search for messages.
>
> Upper right-hand corner, eh? I find no such field. Must be an add-on.

No, I have very few add-ons and a search field is not one of them. Maybe
it's because you are using XP and I'm using Win 7.

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[Mark Filipak]

On 2013/5/16 12:40 PM, WaltS wrote:
> On 05/16/2013 12:23 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
>> On 2013/5/16 12:07 PM, WaltS wrote:
>>> On 05/16/2013 12:01 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
>>>> On 2013/5/16 11:51 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
>>>>> On 5/16/2013 5:49 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
>>>>>> On 2013/5/16 11:00 AM, ekbu...@monmouth.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Just curious, why does a EMAIL client even need a search
>>>>>>> engine. When I am running a search in Thunderbird, I want it to
>>>>>>> search the messages in my message folders, not the web.
>>>>>>> Searching the web I do using Firefox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't find such a search function. How do you invoke it? What
>>>>>> menus?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the upper right hand corner there is a field where you can
>>>>> either search the web using Bing or search for messages.
>>>>
>>>> Upper right-hand corner, eh? I find no such field. Must be an add-on.
>>>
>>> Customize,
>>
>> Customize Toolbar?
>
> Right click in the blank space next to the message tab.

Aha! See, I don't use tabs.

> Customize... is right under the items for Menu Bar, and Mail Toolbar.
>
>>> drag and drop Global Search
>>
>> "Global Search"? Not found.
>
> Sorry to hear that.
>
>>
>>> to the Mail Toolbar,
>>
>> "Mail Toolbar"? What's that?
>
> It is the toolbar that has Get Mail, Write, Chat, and the Address Book, and
> whatever a user adds to it. I think Tag is also there by default.

I had Mail Toolbar unchecked. Tried checking it (though everything there is
redundant and just takes up precious vertical space).

Okay, I have tabs & Mail Toolbar. Tried "Customize..." in the context menu.
Sorry, still no "Search" function. Giving up.

[Peter Taylor]

On 5/16/2013 7:38 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
> Okay, I have tabs & Mail Toolbar. Tried "Customize..." in the context
> menu. Sorry, still no "Search" function. Giving up.

It will give you search results but when you click on a result, FF opens
it up, at least on my machine. I never use it.

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[WaltS]

Well you don't need tabs. You can select Customize... from the Menu Bar.
Still sad that you don't see "Global Search" in the Customize... window.

<http://imgur.com/9MCakWQ>

It can be placed in the Menu Bar.

I never use it. :)

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[WaltS]

Actually Global Search is a default item in the Mail Toolbar, and should
be visible, but you don't use that toolbar, and that is probably why you
don't see it in the customize window.

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[Mark Filipak]

I had enabled Mail Toolbar just for this - you must have missed that. I see the
choices in <http://imgur.com/9MCakWQ>, but "Global Search" is not one of them.
There is no search, global or otherwise. For this test, I updated from version
17.0.5 to 17.0.6.

[Christian Riechers]

On 05/16/2013 09:46 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
> I had enabled Mail Toolbar just for this - you must have missed that. I
> see the choices in <http://imgur.com/9MCakWQ>, but "Global Search" is
> not one of them. There is no search, global or otherwise. For this test,
> I updated from version 17.0.5 to 17.0.6.

May be you're looking at a different picture, but in the screenshot you
posted, your mouse pointer is right below the 'Global Search' box. Not
sure how to miss that.

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[Michael Petch]

On 16/05/2013 1:46 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
> I had enabled Mail Toolbar just for this - you must have missed that. I
> see the choices in <http://imgur.com/9MCakWQ>, but "Global Search" is
> not one of them. There is no search, global or otherwise. For this test,
> I updated from version 17.0.5 to 17.0.6.

If you enabled the Mail Toolbar you should have had a search box with
the contents "Search... <Ctrl+K>" . That would be the global search box.
If you see this box it won't appear in the customize list because it is
already in a menu. If you open up the Customise toolbar screen and then
drag the search box mentioned above back into customize toolbar window
it should appear as "global search".

[Peter Holsberg]

Michael Petch has written on 5/16/2013 6:45 PM:

I have Quick Filter but no "Search...Ctrl+K".

[Jim Porter]

On 05/16/2013 10:00 AM, ekbu...@monmouth.com wrote:
> Just curious, why does a EMAIL client even need a search engine.

If you're curious about why there are hooks for a search engine at all,
rather than why the default is Bing, the reason is that it can be pretty
useful to be able to select some text in an email and search for it,
e.g. if there's a term you're not familiar with.

If you'd rather the search open in your web browser instead of
Thunderbird, just set mail.websearch.open_externally to true in the
config editor.

- Jim

[Mark Filipak]

On 2013/5/16 6:01 PM, Christian Riechers wrote:
> On 05/16/2013 09:46 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
>> I had enabled Mail Toolbar just for this - you must have missed that. I
>> see the choices in <http://imgur.com/9MCakWQ>, but "Global Search" is
>> not one of them. There is no search, global or otherwise. For this test,
>> I updated from version 17.0.5 to 17.0.6.
>
> May be you're looking at a different picture, but in the screenshot you posted,

You have not read this thread. I did not post that screenshot. Someone else
posted it to help me.

> your mouse pointer is right below the 'Global Search' box. Not sure how to miss
> that.

Duh! Got Thread? Read much?

I am now running TBird in safe mode.

Mail Toolbar:
Get Mail
Write
Chat
Address Book
Separator
Tag
Quick Filter

Customize Toolbar:
Separator
Fexible Space
Space
Reply
Reply All
Reply to List
Forward
File
Archive
Back
Forward
Previous Unread
Previous
Next Unread
Next
Junk
Delete
Print
Mark ...no relation
Compact
Activity Indicator
Stop
Folder Location
Mail Views

Note above the conspicuous lack of "Global Search".

[WaltS]

What does "Config Editor" have for browser.search.defaultenginename?

What do you have in the context menu for "Search (Bing, Yahoo, or some
other engine, default is Bing) for:" when you highlight a term in an
email, and right click on it?

[Mark Filipak]

"Bing". How it got that way, I have no idea.

> What do you have in the context menu for "Search (Bing, Yahoo, or some other
> engine, default is Bing) for:" when you highlight a term in an email, and right
> click on it?

As I said back about 5 levels of this thread: "Bing".

Look, I don't see much purpose to this. I wouldn't use "Global Search" even if
I had it. If there's anything that's significant here, it's to illustrate
using, bright colors, how out of control TBird is.

[Mark Filipak]

On 2013/5/16 11:30 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
> On 2013/5/16 10:25 PM, WaltS wrote:

> "Bing". How it got that way, I have no idea.
>

>> What do you have in the context menu for "Search (Bing, Yahoo, or some other
>> engine, default is Bing) for:" when you highlight a term in an email, and right
>> click on it?
>

> As I said back about 5 levels of this thread: "Bing".
>
> Look, I don't see much purpose to this. I wouldn't use "Global Search" even if
> I had it. If there's anything that's significant here, it's to illustrate
> using, bright colors, how out of control TBird is.

I got into this thread merely to inform that version 17.0.5 (and 17.0.6) for
Windows doesn't have "Global Search". I began by asking how I could find it,
then I posted that it isn't there.

[Jay Garcia]

On 16.05.2013 10:49, Mark Filipak wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> On 2013/5/16 11:00 AM, ekbu...@monmouth.com wrote:
>> Just curious, why does a EMAIL client even need a search engine. When
>> I am
>> running a search in Thunderbird, I want it to search the messages in my
>> message folders, not the web. Searching the web I do using Firefox.
>
> I don't find such a search function. How do you invoke it? What menus?

https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/global-search

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[Jay Garcia]

On 16.05.2013 22:36, Mark Filipak wrote:

--- Original Message ---

It is there, see:

[Peter Holsberg]

Mark Filipak has written on 5/16/2013 11:36 PM:

>
> I got into this thread merely to inform that version 17.0.5 (and 17.0.6) for
> Windows doesn't have "Global Search". I began by asking how I could find it,
> then I posted that it isn't there.
>

Tools > Options > Advanced > Advanced Config

[Peter Holsberg]

Jay Garcia has written on 5/17/2013 10:19 AM:

>
> It is there, see:
> https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/global-search

OK, I activated Global Search via

Tools > Options > Advanced

and the "Ctrl-K" now appears. However, it returns no results! (I
searched for garcia, a sure thing, I thought.)

[Peter Holsberg]

Peter Holsberg has written on 5/17/2013 1:49 PM:

> Jay Garcia has written on 5/17/2013 10:19 AM:
>>

>> It is there, see:
>> https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/global-search
>

> OK, I activated Global Search via
>
> Tools > Options > Advanced
>
> and the "Ctrl-K" now appears. However, it returns no results! (I
> searched for garcia, a sure thing, I thought.)

Aha! The old "corrupted global-messages-db.sqlite" file!!!

Deleted it, restarted it and all is well!

[Mark Filipak]

Aha! '[x] Enable Global Search and Indexer'. Mystery solved. Thanks Peter!
Ciao - Mark.

[Mark Filipak]

On 2013/5/17 7:12 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
> On 2013/5/17 1:46 PM, Peter Holsberg wrote:
>> Mark Filipak has written on 5/16/2013 11:36 PM:
>>>
>>> I got into this thread merely to inform that version 17.0.5 (and 17.0.6) for
>>> Windows doesn't have "Global Search". I began by asking how I could find it,
>>> then I posted that it isn't there.
>>>
>>
>> Tools > Options > Advanced > Advanced Config
>
> Aha! '[x] Enable Global Search and Indexer'. Mystery solved. Thanks Peter!
> Ciao - Mark.

Basically, It has to be enabled first.

My sincerest "Thanks!" to all who helped. It makes my heart warm.

Mark.

[Jay Garcia]

On 17.05.2013 13:00, Peter Holsberg wrote:

--- Original Message ---

Ah, it's nice to actually be here ... glad you got it.

[rhythm...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 6, 2012 1:48:13 AM UTC-7, Mark Banner wrote:
> On 06/07/2012 05:48, Lu Wei wrote:
>
> > Just curious; and how do I add google as default?
>
>
>
> https://support.mozillamessaging.com/kb/open-search#w_how-to-add-google-to-the-search-engine-list
>
>
>
> Mark.

This worked perfectly! Thanks Mark! Now I can highlight a phrase and Right Click/search and Google comes up instead of Bing!

How to Install in Thunderbird
Download and save the file (Google Search for Thunderbird 1.0) to your hard disk.
In Mozilla Thunderbird, open Add-ons from the Tools menu.
From the options button next to the add-on search field, select "Install Add-on From File..." and locate the downloaded add-on.

[John H Meyers]

On 7/7/2012 5:33 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:

> | The Thunderbird default list of search engines reflects the
> | agreements and authorizations we have with their respective
> | owners. We do not have such agreement or authorization from
> | Google.
> | This is a change that's primarily driven by business agreements
> | and we generally do not publicly discuss these details.

When a product refers searches to external search providers,
the chosen search provider gets an opportunity to present
its own advertisers' content to the user and also to collect data,
and for this, search providers may pay a little bit back
to the referrer for the referral.

Need any auto repairs? Let's see, which shops pay me the most
to refer potential customers to them? Thus far, however,
none of them pays me to slash anyone's tires :)

--

[Ron Hunter]

I am sure you could find some that would be perfectly willing to do
that. However, I think using Bing is a pretty bad idea. I find it
rather annoyingly child-oriented.

[both.a...@gmail.com]

On Friday, 13 July 2012 15:16:27 UTC-7, ryan.k...@gmail.com wrote:
> ixing this is easy:
>
> Find you Thunderbird profile directory using the instructions here: https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/Profiles#w_where-is-my-profile-stored
>
> Open the actual profile folder "xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.default" and create a folder named "searchplugins".
>
> Close Thunderbird.
>
> Now go to where Firefox is installed (if you have fFF installed) and open the searchplugins directory within. Copy the file named google.xml and paste it into the same directory you created in the Thunderbird profile.
>
> Run Thunderbird again.
>
> Highlight a word in an email and search bing with it. You'll now see the G icon along the left in the list of search engines. Click it and the search will change to Google.
>
> Click the heart in the lower left and Google will become the default search engine.
>
>
>
> Viola!
>
>
>
> Please share this anywhere you see others having this problem. It's an easy fix, and it's stupid that it's even an issue to find this solution.

Perfect. Working. Thanks Ryank