Re: Thunderbird 45.0 is live

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 14/04/2016 7:25 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/
>

NO automatic update from 38.x... I downloaded and installed it manually.

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[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 14/04/2016 8:51 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>
> Probably not auto updating just yet.
>

From 38 to 45... that's indeed a big jump!

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[WaltS48]

On 04/14/2016 12:28 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 14/04/2016 8:51 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>
>> Probably not auto updating just yet.
>>
>
> From 38 to 45... that's indeed a big jump!
>

Well the previous Thunderbird version to 38 was 31, so it still follows
the Firefox ESR version numbering scheme and has since version 17.0. 17
> 24 > 31 > 38 > 45 > next up 52 sometime next year.

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[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 15/04/2016 12:51 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>
> Well the previous Thunderbird version to 38 was 31, so it still follows
> the Firefox ESR version numbering scheme and has since version 17.0. 17
>> 24 > 31 > 38 > 45 > next up 52 sometime next year.
>

The better explanation is these numbers are actually minor numbers. They
are all 1.38, 1.31, 1.24..... I believe you can understand. :)

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[s|b]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:47:25 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

> NO automatic update from 38.x... I downloaded and installed it manually.

Same here.

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[Nil]

On 14 Apr 2016, "Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP)" <"."@.> wrote in
mozilla.support.thunderbird:

> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/

When I click on the Download button, I get offered version 38.5.0 ...
and I'm already running 38.7.2!

WTF?!?

[Brian]

When I downloaded it today, I received V. 45.0. Seemed a little
strange to me, but it works.

[Nil]

On 14 Apr 2016, Brian <Br...@yourguess.com> wrote in
mozilla.support.thunderbird:

> When I downloaded it today, I received V. 45.0. Seemed a little
> strange to me, but it works.

Well, the installation file is named "Thunderbird Setup 38.5.0.exe".
Are you saying it's really 45.0 with a wrong name?

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 15/04/2016 7:02 AM, Nil wrote:
>
> When I click on the Download button, I get offered version 38.5.0 ...
> and I'm already running 38.7.2!
>

You using the US English version of the website?


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[Nil]

On 14 Apr 2016, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet...@gmail.com> wrote
in mozilla.support.thunderbird:

> On 15/04/2016 7:02 AM, Nil wrote:
>>
>> When I click on the Download button, I get offered version 38.5.0
>> ... and I'm already running 38.7.2!
>
> You using the US English version of the website?

Yes: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/

I see that other people notice the same thing:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=3000029

So, the question is, is anybody here really getting the version from
the offical download link above? Did they remove ver 45 for some
reason?

[WaltS48]

Shows as 45.0 for me, but I'm on Linux.

Try <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/all/>

[Brian]

The setup file was V45 and the help -> about reports 45.0 this is on a
W7 machine.

[David E. Ross]

I got Thunderbird 45.0 from what became the official source when the FTP
servers were decommissioned. That is
<https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/>.

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[David E. Ross]

On 4/14/2016 4:25 AM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/
>

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1
Thunderbird 45.0
NoGlass 0.10 theme
Extensions:
Rise of the Tools 1.1.0.0
Toolbar Buttons 1.1.1-signed
(and others)

I see the following two problems, both of which caused me to revert to
Thunderbird 38.7.2. Fortunately, before I install an update, I save my
profiles.

1. The changes implemented by bug #36489 were made the default. This
wiped out the "From" columns in some of my E-mail folders and the
"Recipient" columns in the rest of my E-mail folders. To restore the
columns I wanted I would have to manually change each of 40+ folders.

2. Buttons on both the main Thunderbird window and the compose window
were hosed. On the main window, the same VERY FUZZY icons appeared for
Get Message, Write, Reply, Reply All, Forward, Stop, Address Book, and
Print. On the compose window, the same icons (not fuzzy) appeared for
Send Later, Send, Spelling, and Attach.

[Keith Nuttle]

I downloaded and installed Thunderbird Setup 45.0.exe from
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/ this afternoon. I checked
the same site to night and Setup 45 is still available.

I have been running it since this afternoon and it is a perfectly well
behaved program.

[David E. Ross]

On 4/14/2016 5:48 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 4/14/2016 4:25 AM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/
>>
>
> Windows 7 Ultimate SP1
> Thunderbird 45.0
> NoGlass 0.10 theme
> Extensions:
> Rise of the Tools 1.1.0.0
> Toolbar Buttons 1.1.1-signed
> (and others)
>
> I see the following two problems, both of which caused me to revert to
> Thunderbird 38.7.2. Fortunately, before I install an update, I save my
> profiles.
>
> 1. The changes implemented by bug #36489 were made the default. This
> wiped out the "From" columns in some of my E-mail folders and the
> "Recipient" columns in the rest of my E-mail folders. To restore the
> columns I wanted I would have to manually change each of 40+ folders.
>
> 2. Buttons on both the main Thunderbird window and the compose window
> were hosed. On the main window, the same VERY FUZZY icons appeared for
> Get Message, Write, Reply, Reply All, Forward, Stop, Address Book, and
> Print. On the compose window, the same icons (not fuzzy) appeared for
> Send Later, Send, Spelling, and Attach.
>

Testing Thunderbird 45.0 in Safe Mode, I do not see the button problem.
Thus, the problem is caused by either the NoGlass theme or one of the
extensions I have. However, I very much prefer to have the NoGlass
theme and all of my extensions.

It appears that Thunderbird 45.0 is not compatible with one or more
extensions that worked quite well with Thunderbird 38.7.2.

[Wayne]

45 is absolutely being served on all Mozilla web pages. So if you are
getting 38.5.0 you are being served a crazy-old stale web page. 38.5.0
shipped many months ago.

Force reload the page.
And if that doesn't help, exercise patience.

[Nil]

On 14 Apr 2016, Wayne <vsee...@lehigh.edu> wrote in
mozilla.support.thunderbird:

> 45 is absolutely being served on all Mozilla web pages. So if you
> are getting 38.5.0 you are being served a crazy-old stale web
> page. 38.5.0 shipped many months ago.
>
> Force reload the page.
> And if that doesn't help, exercise patience.

I let it be for a few hours and just tried again, and ver. 45 is now
served to me by that page. Maybe it was an old cached page, although I
refreshed it a few times. Anyway, all is copacetic. Still, I'll wait
until it's updatable from within the program.

Thanks, all.

[Mexx Headroooommm]

David E. Ross schrieb am 15.04.2016 um 02:48:
> Extensions:
> Rise of the Tools 1.1.0.0
> Toolbar Buttons 1.1.1-signed
> (and others)

add. "mnenhy" seems to be not working anymore. I have blank
headerinformations.

Greets
-Markus

[Maurice]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 06:25:05 -0500, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/

Is it the 64-bit version?
Is there Linux version?

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[Tanstaafl]

On 4/15/2016 1:00 AM, Nil <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> Maybe it was an old cached page, although I refreshed it a few times.

Simply refreshing is not enough. Did you do a forced reload (SHIFT+reload)?

[Maurice]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 06:25:05 -0500, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/

Found 64-bit Linux GB version at:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/45.0/linux-x86_64/en-GB/

[Christian Riechers]

On 04/15/2016 01:29 PM, Maurice wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 06:25:05 -0500, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/
>
> Is it the 64-bit version?
> Is there Linux version?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/all/

[Nil]

On 15 Apr 2016, Tanstaafl <tans...@libertytrek.org> wrote in
mozilla.support.thunderbird:

No.

It has been several months since I last visited that page. If it indeed
was an old cached page I've very surprised.

[David E. Ross]

By disabling all extensions and the NoGlass theme and then selectively
re-enabling them, I isolated the button problem to the NoGlass 0.10
theme. The developer of that theme supplied mw with a NoGlass 0.11,
which corrected the problem; so I have installed Thunderbird 45.0 and
NoGlass 0.11.

NoGlass 0.11 should be available at addons.mozilla.org soon.

In the meantime, I will be manually changing "Correspondents" to "From"
or "Recipient" in most of my E-mail folders. :(

[Christian Riechers]

On 04/15/2016 09:20 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> In the meantime, I will be manually changing "Correspondents" to "From"
> or "Recipient" in most of my E-mail folders. :(

What's so terrible with "Correspondents"?

[Henk de Jong]

I use many different e-mail addresses.
Having a column "From" and a column "Recipient" is much more convenient
than only one with "Correspondents".

It's bad practise that the upgrade changes the columns settings.

To change many or all folders at once, use the
"Apply colums to..." -> "Folders and its children..." in the drop down
menu "Select colums to display"


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[David E. Ross]

In my Trash folder, I only want to see who sent the messages, the "From"
column. In my Sent folder, I only want to see the "Recipient" column.
I consider the little arrows in the "Correspondents" column --
indicating whether the address sent of received the message -- to be an
annoying waste of space.

[Chris Ramsden]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Thunderbird 45.0 is live
From: David E. Ross <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
To: mozilla-suppo...@lists.mozilla.org
Date: 2016-04-15 23:08

> On 4/15/2016 12:24 PM, Christian Riechers wrote:

> In my Trash folder, I only want to see who sent the messages, the "From"
> column. In my Sent folder, I only want to see the "Recipient" column.
> I consider the little arrows in the "Correspondents" column --
> indicating whether the address sent of received the message -- to be an
> annoying waste of space.
>

Ah, but if you file messages and their replies all together in one
topic-specific folder in order to preserve the complete conversation,
you'd need both from: and to: columns to understand each message's
context. "Correspondents" is perfect; I don't need to be told that I was
either the sender or recipient of each and every message. In this case,
the little arrows are less wasteful of space than having both from: and
to: columns.

I don't understand why anyone would want to store the original message
and its repl(y|ies) in different folders. Messages worth keeping are
filed into relevant folders; I aim to keep the Inbox, Sent, Trash and
Junk folders empty.
--
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[David E. Ross]

Besides Trash and Sent, I have about 40 other subject-oriented folders
where I save E-mail. I configure the folders to show threads. The
marking for threads helps me to understand the sequence of who sent
what. I really do not need "Correspondents" for that.

[WaltS48]

Nothing that I can see, and easily changed when time permits.

At least the person that filed the bug 16 years ago is happy.

They bitch that old bugs don't get fixed, they bitch when old bugs do
get fixed. 😭

[Christian Riechers]

On 04/16/2016 12:08 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 4/15/2016 12:24 PM, Christian Riechers wrote:
>> On 04/15/2016 09:20 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>> In the meantime, I will be manually changing "Correspondents" to "From"
>>> or "Recipient" in most of my E-mail folders. :(
>>>
>> What's so terrible with "Correspondents"?
>
> In my Trash folder, I only want to see who sent the messages, the "From"
> column. In my Sent folder, I only want to see the "Recipient" column.

With the "Correspondents" column:
In Inbox (and Trash) I do see the sender.
In Sent I do see the recipient.
In other words, I do see exactly the same as before with the dedicated
"From" and "To" columns.
Except the little arrow which I completely ignore, as I don't expect to
see the recipient (me) in Inbox, and the sender (me) in Sent.
When filing messages I do keep received and sent messages separate, so
there's no change.

>From what you wrote I understand this isn't any different from what you
do.

> I consider the little arrows in the "Correspondents" column --
> indicating whether the address sent of received the message -- to be an
> annoying waste of space.

Do you have a 12" screen so that there aren't even a few pixels to spare?

I'm really struggling to understand what the fuzz with "Correspondents"
is all about.

[Nil]

On 15 Apr 2016, Nil <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in
mozilla.support.thunderbird:

> I let it be for a few hours and just tried again, and ver. 45 is
> now served to me by that page. Maybe it was an old cached page,
> although I refreshed it a few times. Anyway, all is copacetic.
> Still, I'll wait until it's updatable from within the program.

I tried to update 4 different computers from within Tbird today. Two of
them, both Win7-32 systems, were offered version 45 and were updated.
Two others, running Win7-64 and the other running XP were not offered
the update. I guess they roll these things out in stages, though I
wonder how they determine who gets the update when.

[Christian Riechers]

It is my understanding updates are halted for the weekend, and will
resume on Monday, assuming no major issues will be discovered until then.

[Henk de Jong]

On 16-4-2016 7:15, Christian Riechers partly wrote:

> With the "Correspondents" column:
> In Inbox (and Trash) I do see the sender.
> In Sent I do see the recipient.
> In other words, I do see exactly the same as before with the dedicated
> "From" and "To" columns.
> Except the little arrow which I completely ignore, as I don't expect to
> see the recipient (me) in Inbox, and the sender (me) in Sent.

I use many different email addresses for different recipients.
I like to see not only to whom I have sent the email, but also which
email "from" address I have used to send it to.
Therefore I need both "From" and "Recipient" in my (many) email folders.

Anyone can choose the columns as they desire. But what irritates me, is
that the columns were changed after updating to the new version without
a choice.

[Wilf]

On 16/04/2016 10:57 am, Henk de Jong wrote:
> On 16-4-2016 7:15, Christian Riechers partly wrote:
>
>> With the "Correspondents" column:
>> In Inbox (and Trash) I do see the sender.
>> In Sent I do see the recipient.
>> In other words, I do see exactly the same as before with the dedicated
>> "From" and "To" columns.
>> Except the little arrow which I completely ignore, as I don't expect to
>> see the recipient (me) in Inbox, and the sender (me) in Sent.
>
> I use many different email addresses for different recipients.
> I like to see not only to whom I have sent the email, but also which
> email "from" address I have used to send it to.
> Therefore I need both "From" and "Recipient" in my (many) email folders.
>
> Anyone can choose the columns as they desire. But what irritates me, is
> that the columns were changed after updating to the new version without
> a choice.
>

Totally agree; I use multiple email addresses for the same reason and
this is really annoying.

--
Wilf

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 14/04/2016 7:25 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/
>

Broke add-on Right Encoding...

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[Wayne]

The web page is offering 38.5.0 because you are using XP.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/get-latest-version-thunderbird-windows-xp-vista

[David E. Ross]

I downloaded Thunderbird 45.0 from
<https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/45.0/win32/en-US/Thunderbird%20Setup%2045.0.exe>
and successfully installed it on my Windows 7 PC and my wife's Windows
XP PC.

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[Wayne]

On 5/5/2016 10:15 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 5/5/2016 2:25 AM, Wayne wrote:
>> On 4/15/2016 1:42 PM, Nil wrote:
>>> On 15 Apr 2016, Tanstaafl <tans...@libertytrek.org> wrote in
>>> mozilla.support.thunderbird:
>>>
>>>> On 4/15/2016 1:00 AM, Nil <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Maybe it was an old cached page, although I refreshed it a few
>>>>> times.
>>>>
>>>> Simply refreshing is not enough. Did you do a forced reload
>>>> (SHIFT+reload)?
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> It has been several months since I last visited that page. If it indeed
>>> was an old cached page I've very surprised.
>>>
>>
>> The web page is offering 38.5.0 because you are using XP.
>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/get-latest-version-thunderbird-windows-xp-vista
>>
>
> I downloaded Thunderbird 45.0 from
> <https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/45.0/win32/en-US/Thunderbird%20Setup%2045.0.exe>
> and successfully installed it on my Windows 7 PC and my wife's Windows
> XP PC.

That's wonderful, but _not_ what an XP/vista user should be doing.

[David E. Ross]

Why not? Since I installed it, Thunderbird 45.0 is working just fine on

my wife's Windows XP PC.