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cab

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Sep 1, 2011, 4:55:31 PM9/1/11
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I have set sound to "system default" in both Windows and Linux but I've
never heard a new mail notification under Linux. Is there a fix for this?


Dave Royal

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Sep 2, 2011, 5:02:28 AM9/2/11
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cab wrote:

> I have set sound to "system default" in both Windows and Linux but I've
> never heard a new mail notification under Linux. Is there a fix for this?
>

WFM with OpenSuSE 11.4/KDE4.

It probably depends on what flavour and version of Linux,
what Window Manager, and what sound system you use - and whether TB is
compatible with that. You may need to specify and enable a 'new mail'
sound.
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cab

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Sep 2, 2011, 7:36:28 AM9/2/11
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On 9/2/2011 5:02 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
> cab wrote:
>
>> I have set sound to "system default" in both Windows and Linux but I've
>> never heard a new mail notification under Linux. Is there a fix for this?
>>
> WFM with OpenSuSE 11.4/KDE4.
>
> It probably depends on what flavour and version of Linux,
> what Window Manager, and what sound system you use - and whether TB is
> compatible with that. You may need to specify and enable a 'new mail'
> sound.

Thanks, I'm using TB version supplied by Ubuntu and sound woks fine
otherwise in Gnome. Is your new mail sound working with OpenSuse/KDE?
Maybe it's a Gnome/Ubuntu bug and not TB problem.


Dave Royal

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Sep 2, 2011, 8:56:33 AM9/2/11
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cab wrote:

> Is your new mail sound working with OpenSuse/KDE?

Yes - it makes a noise. And if I had an hour or so to spare I could
probably discover where in KDE4 the 'new mail' noise is defined and
customise it.

Mike Easter

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Sep 2, 2011, 9:36:22 AM9/2/11
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cab wrote:

> Thanks, I'm using TB version supplied by Ubuntu and sound woks fine
> otherwise in Gnome.

Which Ub? Which Gnome? Your post's headers say Tb 3.1.12.

If I boot up a live Ub 11.04 on one of my systems which doesn't do Unity
by default, it comes up in Gnome 2.23.1. It also doesn't have a Tbird by
default, I would have to add Tb with the software center or synaptic.

If I use Ub's System/ Preferences/ Sound menu, I don't see a system
setting to turn on a sound for a new mail notification (for the sytem,
not the setting in Tb), nor does that alerts sound graphical provide a
function to test the Ubuntu alert sound. I don't like that sound/alert
configuration function.

There is an Ub bug report here
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/732572 New
Mail Notification Sound does not play in Natty

In that thread there are Ub 11.04 and Ub 10.10 (and others) trying to
get new mail notifications to work in Tb 3.1.x versions.

One user fixed his problem with System76 drivers for his sound.

Another pointed to a moz bug report running since 2007 to the present
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378155 Unable to play
.WAV-file alert error in nsISound.play (due to no EsounD)

In that old thread, some people solved their Tbird new mail alert sound
problem with eSounD, but not all.

Here's an example of the problem in post #20 in the Ub bug thread:

<20> I took a brief look at this. Basically, normal system sounds are
played via libcanberra, which is installed by default on most Linux
distro's. However, custom event sounds with .wav files are played via
esound, and require you to install libesd in order to work. esound has
been deprecated for a long time though, and it's not installed by
default on most distro's.

I'll try and think of a different way to do this which doesn't require
esound :/
</20>

Later posts in the Ub thread which go into 2011 Aug are working on a
non-esound libcanberra solution.


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Mike Easter

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Sep 2, 2011, 2:40:52 PM9/2/11
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Mike Easter wrote:
> cab wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I'm using TB version supplied by Ubuntu and sound woks fine
>> otherwise in Gnome.

> If I use Ub's System/ Preferences/ Sound menu, I don't see a system

> setting to turn on a sound for a new mail notification (for the sytem,
> not the setting in Tb),

My Mint 7 and Mint 11 gnome systems also do not have a 'built-in' system
mail notifier sound function comparable to windows such as XP/ CP/
Sounds & audio/ Sounds tab/ Program events section/ New mail
notification item (present) = sound: Windows XP Notify.wav

So, my point is that having a windows profile to 'tickle' the windows
system new mail notifier to make the notify.wav play does not have an
existing default system equivalent in the linux systems for the ubuntu
or mint gnome systems; and thus it seems to me that checking a Tbird
configuration in the windows system (or a windows system profile shared
with a linux system) is not going to have the same effect as checking it
in a mint/ub gnome system or profile /unless/ you configure the mint/ub
gnome to have a mail notifier system sound function comparable to what
exists in the windows system -OR- you configure the linux system to play
a configured sound independent of any system sound (which is
non-existent in my mint and ub).

For example, my mint system has system sounds such as for clicking
buttons, but it does not have a default system sound for mail
notification and so for new mail I am only shown a visual alert for
notification and no sound, even tho' Tbird 'thinks' (appears) it is
configured to play a sound.

It seems to me that the Tbird developers must have assumed that all
systems have an existing system sound for new mail notification like
windows does, which is not so.


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Mike Easter

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Sep 2, 2011, 2:52:30 PM9/2/11
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Mike Easter wrote:

> It seems to me that the Tbird developers must have assumed that all
> systems have an existing system sound for new mail notification like
> windows does, which is not so.

Now that I think on this...

... the Tbird configuration does /not/ make such an assumption, but
might /seem/ to do so.

The configuration sez:

'Play a sound - (check) Default system sound for new mail'

So, if your/one's system does not /have/ a default system sound for new
mail, then that check would not be expected to make a sound. Rather
should not be 'assumed' to do so.

In the bug reports, those who were having trouble with Tbird not playing
a configured sound is a different problem than those who were having
trouble with the checked *system sound* for those systems which don't
_have_ a default system sound for new mail notification.


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David

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Sep 2, 2011, 4:05:32 PM9/2/11
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I don't know anything about Mint but you did say Gnome. Gnome does have
'sounds' that are playable sound files. Actually 'pick' a file by name
(I suggest you use the whole path) and then try the Play button.

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Mike Easter

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Sep 2, 2011, 4:17:38 PM9/2/11
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David wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:

>> So, if your/one's system does not /have/ a default system sound for new
>> mail, then that check would not be expected to make a sound.

> I don't know anything about Mint but you did say Gnome. Gnome does have


> 'sounds' that are playable sound files. Actually 'pick' a file by name
> (I suggest you use the whole path) and then try the Play button.

This is what the Gnome page has:

http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/stable/goscustmulti-2.html.en
8.4.4.1.Sound Effects Preferences

No sound file examples or paths or any other evidence of gnome having a
system new mail notification.

What specific path example do you have in mind?


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Mike Easter

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Sep 2, 2011, 4:41:05 PM9/2/11
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Mike Easter wrote:
> David wrote:

>>> So, if your/one's system does not /have/ a default system sound for new
>>> mail, then that check would not be expected to make a sound.
>
>> I don't know anything about Mint but you did say Gnome. Gnome does have
>> 'sounds' that are playable sound files. Actually 'pick' a file by name
>> (I suggest you use the whole path) and then try the Play button.

> No sound file examples or paths or any other evidence of gnome having a
> system new mail notification.

I'm pretty sure that we are still on a sub-topic related to new mail
notification in linux Tbird.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=558480 Debian Bug
report logs - #558480 - gnome-media: no settings for system sound effects

Bug thread item #10:

<10> Where are the system sounds in Gnome? There is no way to select
them and moreover sounds related to user actions (click, open drawer,
etc.) are completely gone. <10>

Thread from 2009 & 2010.

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David

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Sep 2, 2011, 5:50:04 PM9/2/11
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In Fedora the sounds are in: /usr/share/sounds

Linux is kinda' fanitical about things like that. Look there.

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Mike Easter

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Sep 2, 2011, 7:11:09 PM9/2/11
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Excellent!

All kinds of good stuff in my Mint11 /usr/share/sounds/ which contains
various subdirectories including gnome, linuxmint, and one called purple
which has a Send and Receive which could work for mail.

Besides this conversation in here, there is a similar one going on in
alt.os.linux.mint about system sounds.

If I configure my Mint11 Tbird Prefs to use the Receive.wav file when a
new mail arrives, it works just fine.

Thanks.


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cab

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Sep 2, 2011, 7:18:26 PM9/2/11
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Thank you. I tried that -- TB, Options, General tab, Play Sound, and I
specified a sound file with full path! Thunderbird doesn't play any
sound file, with this event.


cab

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Sep 2, 2011, 7:24:49 PM9/2/11
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On 9/2/2011 2:52 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

Thanks. I've seen the bug reports, some of them are years old, so I
wonder why the problem hasn't been fixed yet.

Also, it looks like Mozilla has several different flavors of TB for each
platform/distro, and as DaveR posted above that his system with
OpenSusue/KDE plays new mail sound just fine.


David

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Sep 2, 2011, 8:45:07 PM9/2/11
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Gee. Did I help? Really? this is really cool.

Help is out 'there'.

:-)

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g

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Sep 3, 2011, 1:27:23 AM9/3/11
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On 09/01/2011 08:55 PM, cab wrote:
> I have set sound to "system default" in both Windows and Linux but I've
> never heard a new mail notification under Linux. Is there a fix for this?

along with what has been posted to this thread, i would like to throw in
a different prospective to eliminate your problem.


first, have a look at;

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_and_news_settings

second, open thunderbird's config file, 'about:config', filer;

sound

next, look at these settings; [mine shown]

mail.biff.play_sound
default boolean true

mail.biff.play_sound.type
user set Integer 1
(or)
user set boolean true

mail.biff.play_sound.url
user set string /usr/share/sounds/ekiga/newmessage.wav


therefore, if you do not have 'mail.biff.play_sound*', added them and
enter a path to sound file you wish to use.


hth.
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Dave Royal

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Sep 3, 2011, 3:33:06 AM9/3/11
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Mike Easter wrote:

> David wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>
>>> What specific path example do you have in mind?
>
>> In Fedora the sounds are in: /usr/share/sounds
>>
>> Linux is kinda' fanitical about things like that. Look there.
>
> Excellent!
>
> All kinds of good stuff in my Mint11 /usr/share/sounds/ which contains
> various subdirectories including gnome, linuxmint, and one called purple
> which has a Send and Receive which could work for mail.
>

OpenSuSE has sounds in that directory - and more in a subdirectory
'freedesktop'. But they're mostly oggs which TB won't play for some
reason. But if I select a wav fthan TB plays it OK. And this is with
pulseaudio, which works fine in SuSE, but was once a problem in Ubuntu
I understand.

Linux sound has changed a lot over the years - advice in old threads,
or even for quite recent versions of your own distro, is not much use
IMO.

goodwin

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Sep 3, 2011, 11:06:58 AM9/3/11
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On 09/02/2011 10:27 PM, g wrote:

> mail.biff.play_sound.type
> user set Integer 1
> (or)
> user set boolean true

could you point to adequate documentation on these prefs?
I coukd find no explanation of the Integer value anywhere...

David

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Does this help?

"Mail and news settings"

<http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_and_news_settings>

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g

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Sep 3, 2011, 3:01:55 PM9/3/11
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On 09/03/2011 03:33 PM, David wrote:
> On 9/3/2011 11:06 AM, goodwin wrote:
> Does this help?
>
> "Mail and news settings"
>
> <http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_and_news_settings>

yes. that does look familiar for some reason. just not sure where i
have seen it lately. :_)

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goodwin

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Sep 3, 2011, 9:04:50 PM9/3/11
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On 09/03/2011 08:33 AM, David wrote:
> On 9/3/2011 11:06 AM, goodwin wrote:
>> On 09/02/2011 10:27 PM, g wrote:
>>
>>> mail.biff.play_sound.type
>>> user set Integer 1
>>> (or)
>>> user set boolean true
>>
>> could you point to adequate documentation on these prefs?
>> I coukd find no explanation of the Integer value anywhere...

>


> Does this help?
>
> "Mail and news settings"
>
> <http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_and_news_settings>
>

no, been there, no answer to the integer 1 meaning.

on top of that, the sound function in TB 7 seems borked totally - cannot
add any custom file whatever, though that may be dependent to another
setting - gotta check.

goodwin

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Sep 3, 2011, 9:09:58 PM9/3/11
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for general input...

seems that if the following setting
mail.biff.play_sound.url
has a sound file entry, the browse function to manually select sound
file is disabled.

g

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Sep 3, 2011, 11:59:23 PM9/3/11
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just for you, goodwin. :-D

On 09/04/2011 01:09 AM, goodwin wrote:
> On 09/03/2011 06:04 PM, goodwin wrote:
>> On 09/03/2011 08:33 AM, David wrote:
>>> On 9/3/2011 11:06 AM, goodwin wrote:
>>>> On 09/02/2011 10:27 PM, g wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> mail.biff.play_sound.type
>>>>> user set Integer 1
>>>>> (or)
>>>>> user set boolean true
>>>> could you point to adequate documentation on these prefs?
>>>> I coukd find no explanation of the Integer value anywhere...
>>> Does this help?
>>>
>>> "Mail and news settings"
>>>
>>> <http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_and_news_settings>
>>
>> no, been there, no answer to the integer 1 meaning.

in the case of my system and thunderbird about:config, 'integer 1' means
'true'. do not ask why. that is just how it is and why i put '(or)'
between the 'integer' and 'boolean' types.

>> on top of that, the sound function in TB 7 seems borked totally - cannot
>> add any custom file whatever, though that may be dependent to another
>> setting - gotta check.
>>
> for general input...
>
> seems that if the following setting
> mail.biff.play_sound.url
> has a sound file entry, the browse function to manually select sound
> file is disabled.

originally, in earlier v/r, when i set it, it was changeable via,
preferences. now it is not.

if/when my "r2i" makes it, i will play with about:config to see what
changing to boolean does.

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cab

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Sep 4, 2011, 11:19:49 AM9/4/11
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On 09/03/2011 01:27 AM, g wrote:
> On 09/01/2011 08:55 PM, cab wrote:
>> I have set sound to "system default" in both Windows and Linux but I've
>> never heard a new mail notification under Linux. Is there a fix for this?
> along with what has been posted to this thread, i would like to throw in
> a different prospective to eliminate your problem.
>
>
> first, have a look at;
>
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_and_news_settings
>
> second, open thunderbird's config file, 'about:config', filer;
>
> sound
>
> next, look at these settings; [mine shown]
>
> mail.biff.play_sound
> default boolean true
>
> mail.biff.play_sound.type
> user set Integer 1
> (or)
> user set boolean true
>
> mail.biff.play_sound.url
> user set string /usr/share/sounds/ekiga/newmessage.wav
>
>
> therefore, if you do not have 'mail.biff.play_sound*', added them and
> enter a path to sound file you wish to use.
>
>
> hth.

If I go into TB, Options, General tab, Play Sound, and click on "Play"
TB doesn't play anything (default or custom sound). Is that fixable in
Config settings?

cab

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Sep 4, 2011, 11:47:55 AM9/4/11
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There's a TB add-on

Mailbox Alert 0.14.6
Mailbox Alert allows you to specify, for each separate mail folder, a message, sound and/or a system command that will be executed when new mail is found there

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/mailbox-alert/


Has anybody tried it?





goodwin

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On 09/03/2011 08:59 PM, g wrote:

> in the case of my system and thunderbirdabout:config, 'integer 1' means


> 'true'. do not ask why

ah, but I must - from whence do you arrive at that info?
or is this just an intuitive jump on your part?

David

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Sep 4, 2011, 1:18:03 PM9/4/11
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0 (the number zero) is the default setting which is *don't* play a sound.

1 (the number one) is the user set setting which means *do* play a sound.

It called binary. :-) In binary 0 (the number zero) is 'off' and 1
(the number one) is 'on'.


If sound does not play:

There are no sound files at all. Highly unlikely

There is no *system set* default 'new mail' (more likely) sound for the
Play default' setting to use.

There are sound files but not on the machine's defined path (very
likely) which is why there is a 'box' to locate the file by providing
the complete path. Yours in Linux *should be something like
/usr/share/sounds/<folder_name>/<sound_file_name>.

Your volume for that feature (an OS setting not a TBird setting) is too
low. Or muted.

Check your Pulseaudio sliders. Some Linux distributions mute most of them.
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goodwin

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Sep 4, 2011, 2:15:38 PM9/4/11
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On 09/04/2011 10:18 AM, David wrote:
> On 9/4/2011 12:22 PM, goodwin wrote:
>> On 09/03/2011 08:59 PM, g wrote:
>>
>>> in the case of my system and thunderbird about:config, 'integer 1'

>>> means 'true'. do not ask why
>>
>> ah, but I must - from whence do you arrive at that info? or is this
>> just an intuitive jump on your part?
>
>
> 0 (the number zero) is the default setting which is *don't* play a sound.
>
> 1 (the number one) is the user set setting which means *do* play a sound.
>
> It called binary. :-) In binary 0 (the number zero) is 'off' and 1
> (the number one) is 'on'.

ah, I see said the blindman - not the usual boolean I'm used to.
Thanks for that - nevermind, g.

>
> If sound does not play:
>
> There are no sound files at all. Highly unlikely
>

there are files but they are .ogg, not .wav, which seems to be what
Tbird wants.

> There is no *system set* default 'new mail' (more likely) sound for the
> Play default' setting to use.
>
> There are sound files but not on the machine's defined path (very
> likely) which is why there is a 'box' to locate the file by providing
> the complete path. Yours in Linux *should be something like
> /usr/share/sounds/<folder_name>/<sound_file_name>.
>

it is but that box won't work until the aforementioned preference
(mail.biff.play_sound.url) is reset (I had something in there as a trial
- it didn't work but it wasn't a url but the path to a local file).

> Your volume for that feature (an OS setting not a TBird setting) is too
> low. Or muted.
>
> Check your Pulseaudio sliders. Some Linux distributions mute most of them.

Thanks for your input - I was having issues while attempting to answer
OP's question - I don't need the sound that badly.

David

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Sep 4, 2011, 3:20:19 PM9/4/11
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On 9/4/2011 2:15 PM, goodwin wrote:
> On 09/04/2011 10:18 AM, David wrote:
>> On 9/4/2011 12:22 PM, goodwin wrote:
>>> On 09/03/2011 08:59 PM, g wrote:
>>>
>>>> in the case of my system and thunderbird about:config, 'integer 1'
>>>> means 'true'. do not ask why
>>>
>>> ah, but I must - from whence do you arrive at that info? or is this
>>> just an intuitive jump on your part?
>>
>>
>> 0 (the number zero) is the default setting which is *don't* play a sound.
>>
>> 1 (the number one) is the user set setting which means *do* play a sound.
>>
>> It called binary. :-) In binary 0 (the number zero) is 'off' and 1
>> (the number one) is 'on'.
>
> ah, I see said the blindman - not the usual boolean I'm used to.
> Thanks for that - nevermind, g.


:-) The only 'dumb' question is the one never asked. Computers can be
strange critters.


>> If sound does not play:
>>
>> There are no sound files at all. Highly unlikely
>>
>
> there are files but they are .ogg, not .wav, which seems to be what
> Tbird wants.


Hmm... .wav is a Windows sound file. .oog id an open source file
commonly found on Linux systems. I think that a linux TBird would play
them. It is the OS that actually play the file not TBird.


>> There is no *system set* default 'new mail' (more likely) sound for the
>> Play default' setting to use.
>>
>> There are sound files but not on the machine's defined path (very
>> likely) which is why there is a 'box' to locate the file by providing
>> the complete path. Yours in Linux *should be something like
>> /usr/share/sounds/<folder_name>/<sound_file_name>.
>>
> it is but that box won't work until the aforementioned preference
> (mail.biff.play_sound.url) is reset (I had something in there as a trial
> - it didn't work but it wasn't a url but the path to a local file).
>
>> Your volume for that feature (an OS setting not a TBird setting) is too
>> low. Or muted.
>>
>> Check your Pulseaudio sliders. Some Linux distributions mute most of
>> them.
>
> Thanks for your input - I was having issues while attempting to answer
> OP's question - I don't need the sound that badly.


Long... time ago if you browsed to the directory with the "File Manger"
(might have a different name - Dolphin in new KDE - Konquer in older KDE
- Nuatilus in Gnome - Thunar in XFCE) and clicked on a sound it would
play. Else in a terminal CD to the folder that contains the sound files
and type play <name_of_sound_file> and <enter> it would play. This
should still work. Maybe. It was basic Linux 101 years ago.

Sure. Hope this was helpful.
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g

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Sep 4, 2011, 4:06:07 PM9/4/11
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On 09/04/2011 03:19 PM, cab wrote:
<>

> If I go into TB, Options, General tab, Play Sound, and click on "Play"
> TB doesn't play anything (default or custom sound). Is that fixable in
> Config settings?

now that is interesting. in my v/r;

User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20110831)

when i use "edit > preferences > general" and i click 'play', wav file
plays. have you checked your audio settings?

before i reply, you originally posted problem is with linux. in above,
you are showing ms sequence.

which os are you asking about?

if linux, what desktop are you using?

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goodwin wrote:
> David

>> There are no sound files at all. Highly unlikely

> there are files but they are .ogg, not .wav, which seems to be what
> Tbird wants.

Correct. The Tbird browse function in the Preferences has only .wav
access, no .ogg selector in the menu. linux Tb 6.0


<mutters> Sometimes it seems like Tbird is a windows html mail agent
which also has some other functions and platforms.


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Sep 4, 2011, 4:10:40 PM9/4/11
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On 09/04/2011 03:47 PM, cab wrote:
> There's a TB add-on
>
> *Mailbox Alert* 0.14.6
> /Mailbox Alert allows you to specify, for each separate mail folder, a
> message, sound and/or a system command that will be executed when new
> mail is found there
> /

for me, that would be just a bunch of 'bells and whistles' that i have
no need for. besides, it would be just one more add-on to load system
and be a potential problem later.

besides, when i get new emails, i really could care less where they come
from and having different sounds would just be something to needlessly
have to remember.

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David

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Sep 4, 2011, 4:35:48 PM9/4/11
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And 'you' are a Linux guy? Really? You Linux guys are supposed to be
super smart and can fix things that stupid Windows guys are supposed to
be stupid and can fix things.

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Sep 4, 2011, 5:19:29 PM9/4/11
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On 09/04/2011 08:35 PM, David wrote:
> On 9/4/2011 4:05 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
> And 'you' are a Linux guy? Really? You Linux guys are supposed to be
> super smart and can fix things that stupid Windows guys are supposed to
> be stupid and can fix things.

sounds like a linux slur from a jealous ms user. :-D

actually, it is not something that is readily fixable. that is not without
a lot of rewriting of thunderbird code so it would play .ogg files.

in actuality, a linux user would not bother because there is an easier
way for a linux user. use an ogg to wav converter. :_)

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Mike Easter

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Sep 4, 2011, 5:27:07 PM9/4/11
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David wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:

>> <mutters> Sometimes it seems like Tbird is a windows html mail agent
>> which also has some other functions and platforms.
>
>
> And 'you' are a Linux guy? Really? You Linux guys are supposed to be
> super smart and can fix things that stupid Windows guys are supposed to
> be stupid and can fix things.

I'm not a nuts and bolts, hammer and chisel linux guy; I'm an
intermediate linux guy who mostly uses graphical interface to get things
done and typically need to find help when I need a commandline solution.

I also don't like to have to muck around in the Windows registry or have
to solve win problems with homemade or found .bat files when I'm working
in Windows.

But we are getting off-topic so I'm going to make any f/ups to this
reply go to .general.


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David

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Sep 4, 2011, 6:21:01 PM9/4/11
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On 9/4/2011 5:19 PM, g wrote:
> On 09/04/2011 08:35 PM, David wrote:
>> On 9/4/2011 4:05 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

>> And 'you' are a Linux guy? Really? You Linux guys are supposed
>> to be super smart and can fix things that stupid Windows guys are
>> supposed to be stupid and can fix things.
>

> sounds like a linux slur from a jealous ms user. :-D

Wow! I most certainly did not mean that, Really! Butt you Linux guys
can be, at time, smug a$$ holes.. *REALLY BIG* smile goes here okay?

Everyone has problems no matter which OS?

> actually, it is not something that is readily fixable. that is not
> without a lot of rewriting of thunderbird code so it would play
> .ogg files.
>
> in actuality, a linux user would not bother because there is an
> easier way for a linux user. use an ogg to wav converter. :_)

Okay. So help this guy? And we stop waving the OS flag?
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Ron Hunter

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Sep 4, 2011, 7:31:15 PM9/4/11
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Well, numbers-wise, it is. However, doesn't Linux have a way to convert
your favorite .ogg file to a .wav file?

g

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Sep 4, 2011, 7:58:40 PM9/4/11
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On 09/04/2011 10:21 PM, David wrote:
> On 9/4/2011 5:19 PM, g wrote:
>> On 09/04/2011 08:35 PM, David wrote:
>>> On 9/4/2011 4:05 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
<>

>>>> <mutters> Sometimes it seems like Tbird is a windows html mail
>>>> agent which also has some other functions and platforms.
>>>

>>> And 'you' are a Linux guy? Really? You Linux guys are supposed
>>> to be super smart and can fix things that stupid Windows guys are
>>> supposed to be stupid and can fix things.
>> sounds like a linux slur from a jealous ms user. :-D
>
> Wow! I most certainly did not mean that, Really! Butt you Linux guys
> can be, at time, smug a$$ holes.. *REALLY BIG* smile goes here okay?

butt, when you have the best os, it is easy to be a sum ass hole. :-D

fup set 2 moz.gen

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g

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Sep 4, 2011, 8:04:35 PM9/4/11
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On 09/04/2011 10:21 PM, David wrote:
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> Everyone has problems no matter which OS?

not really as often. except when it comes to programs that are
cross platform oriented. one of advantages with linux is back porting.

> Okay. So help this guy?

actually, i am waiting for for 'cab' to reply.

his last post brought up some questioning that needs clearing.

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Mike Easter

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Sep 4, 2011, 8:09:57 PM9/4/11
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Ron Hunter wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> goodwin wrote:

>>> there are files but they are .ogg, not .wav, which seems to be what
>>> Tbird wants.
>>
>> Correct. The Tbird browse function in the Preferences has only .wav
>> access, no .ogg selector in the menu. linux Tb 6.0

> doesn't Linux have a way to convert your favorite .ogg file to a .wav
> file?

SoundConverter is a good gnome choice. It is in my Mint 11 repos; I
think it is installed by default in some Ub and Deb versions.

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Mike Easter

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Sep 4, 2011, 8:29:46 PM9/4/11
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g wrote:
> David wrote:

>> Okay. So help this guy?
>
> actually, i am waiting for for 'cab' to reply.
>
> his last post brought up some questioning that needs clearing.

cab said:

> If I go into TB, Options, General tab, Play Sound, and click on
> "Play" TB doesn't play anything (default or custom sound). Is that
> fixable in Config settings?

So I don't know why that/his custom sound (assuming selected with the Tb
browse function) didn't work. On my mint system I chose
/usr/share/sounds/purple/receive.wav and it worked just fine.

I assume that he browsed to an existing path familiar to his environment
and that nothing has been misconfigured/ changed from default/ in his
about:config.

That/My Mint system doesn't have any 'default' system new mail
notification sound configured.


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cab

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Sep 4, 2011, 9:41:05 PM9/4/11
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Yes there's no default sound in TB, but Windows Outlook users are accustomed to hearing a sound. None of my Ubuntu systems will play new mail sound in TB, OS sound system works fine otherwise. I've tried different custom sound files (.WAV) from any directory and TB plays nothing in LInux but  in Windows sound works ok!





goodwin

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Sep 5, 2011, 12:17:23 AM9/5/11
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On 09/04/2011 12:20 PM, David wrote:


> Hmm... .wav is a Windows sound file. .oog id an open source file
> commonly found on Linux systems.

thank you, I knew that

I think that a linux TBird would play
> them. It is the OS that actually play the file not TBird.
>

no, it won't - and I can convert the .ogg files to ,wav at will, never
said I couldn't.

I just don't need to...

g

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Sep 5, 2011, 12:51:56 AM9/5/11
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On 09/05/2011 12:29 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
> g wrote:
>> David wrote:
>
>>> Okay. So help this guy?
>> actually, i am waiting for for 'cab' to reply.
>>
>> his last post brought up some questioning that needs clearing.

which 'cab' has yet to do. ??

> cab said:
>
>> If I go into TB, Options, General tab, Play Sound, and click on
>> "Play" TB doesn't play anything (default or custom sound). Is that
>> fixable in Config settings?
>
> So I don't know why that/his custom sound (assuming selected with the Tb
> browse function) didn't work. On my mint system I chose
> /usr/share/sounds/purple/receive.wav and it worked just fine.
>
> I assume that he browsed to an existing path familiar to his environment
> and that nothing has been misconfigured/ changed from default/ in his
> about:config.

'cab' needs to try putting the '.biff' lines into his about:config to
get sound notices for his email.

i just ran a "locate sound | grep mail" and found that only shows in
path of ekiga. so i will presume that the ekiga prog is what put the
'.biff' lines into my about:config. only the last 2 lines that are
'url' related are in my 'prefs.js' file.

> That/My Mint system doesn't have any 'default' system new mail
> notification sound configured.

as i show above, only one i have is from 'ekiga' and it is 'voicemail.wav'.

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g

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Sep 5, 2011, 12:52:10 AM9/5/11
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On 09/05/2011 01:41 AM, cab wrote:
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> Yes there's no default sound in TB, but Windows Outlook users are
> accustomed to hearing a sound. None of my Ubuntu systems will play new
> mail sound in TB, OS sound system works fine otherwise. I've tried
> different custom sound files (.WAV) from any directory and TB plays
> nothing in LInux but in Windows sound works ok!

you need to stop trying to relate what is ms windows and what is in
linux xwindows. from jump, they are set up differently.

as i mentioned before, if you want sound in your linux thunderbird, put
the '.biff' lines in your about:config and you will get sound.

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