Hiding signatures
Andrew DeFaria
--Andrew DeFaria
Why do people point to their wrist when asking for the time, but not to their crotch when they ask where the toilet is?
michaeljgru...@fastmail.fm
> We all know that TB will remove properly delineated signatures upon
> reply. Quote collapse shows us that we can hide and collapse previous
> responses that can be expanded when you need to see what they say. Does
> anybody know of an extension that hides people signatures like quote
> collapse when viewing mail and news messages?
In fact, TB did not parse your signature correctly, maybe because it is
HTML. I had to delete it from the quoted message. Looking at your
message with DOM inspector confirmed that your signature wasn't
recognized as such.
If TB recognizes a signature it is tagged in way which could be used by
the quote collapse extension just like the tagging of quotes is used. If
there's enough interest I might implement it. But signatures should
short anyway so that not much is gained by hiding them. Also, many
people even put their name in the signature instead of in the content.
Michael
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria venit, vidit, dixit 2006-12-07 15:05:
We all know that TB will remove properly delineated signatures upon reply. Quote collapse shows us that we can hide and collapse previous responses that can be expanded when you need to see what they say. Does anybody know of an extension that hides people signatures like quote collapse when viewing mail and news messages?In fact, TB did not parse your signature correctly, maybe because it is HTML. I had to delete it from the quoted message. Looking at your message with DOM inspector confirmed that your signature wasn't recognized as such.
If TB recognizes a signature it is tagged in way which could be used by the quote collapse extension just like the tagging of quotes is used. If there's enough interest I might implement it. But signatures should short anyway so that not much is gained by hiding them.
I might point out that quotes also "should" be short...
Also, many people even put their name in the signature instead of in the content.
--Andrew DeFaria
One time a cop pulled me over for running a stop sign. He said "Didn't you see the stop sign." I said "Yeah, but I don't believe everything I read."
Brian Heinrich
> Andrew DeFaria venit, vidit, dixit 2006-12-07 15:05:
>> We all know that TB will remove properly delineated signatures upon
>> reply. Quote collapse shows us that we can hide and collapse previous
>> responses that can be expanded when you need to see what they say. Does
>> anybody know of an extension that hides people signatures like quote
>> collapse when viewing mail and news messages?
>
> In fact, TB did not parse your signature correctly, maybe because it is
> HTML. I had to delete it from the quoted message. Looking at your
> message with DOM inspector confirmed that your signature wasn't
> recognized as such.
I use a plain-text signature, even in HTML mail.
The reason it's not stripped if someone replies to HTML mail is that it
comes out as:
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="76">--
[sig]
</pre>
If I set up an HTML sig, it will appear as
<div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
[sig]
</div>
This would pro'ly explain why sigs in HTML mail are not properly parsed and
therefore stripped. I do consider it a bug -- a fairly minor bug, but a bug
none the less.
I agree with Andrew's comments regarding stupidly long sigs.
For instance, from Outlook (with no sig delimiter at all):
[Name], [Position]
[E-mail address]
[Postal address]
--------------------------------------------------------------
National Campus and Community Radio Association
Association nationale des radios étudiantes et communautaires
http://www.ncra.ca
Celebrating 25 years -- NCRC 2006: The Evolution of Radio
http://www.ncra.ca/conference
the national campus and community radio report
http://www.earshot-online.com
Women's Hands And Voices
http://www.ncra.ca/women
Dig Your Roots. Discover Your Culture. Grow A Consciousness.
http://www.DigYourRoots.ca
Or, from an Hotmail account (again, with no sig delimiter):
**********************************************
[Name]
Music Director
[Station]
[Web address]
[E-mail address]
[!earshot position]
!earshot
the national campus and community radio report
www.earshot-online.com
[Station] c/o
[University]
[Address]
[City, Province]
[Postal code]
phone# (123)456-7890
fax# (123)456-0987
tracking hours:
Thursdays, 2pm-4pm (pst)
**********************************************
(And that's *before* the crap that Hotmail adds on.)
In the first case, all the additional stuff isn't really necessary, although
I understand why the person in question has it there.
In the second case, most of the additional stuff (such as tracking hours)
*is* necessary, but could be formatted better; using a vCard would help,
too, I suspect.
So, for instance, the final form of the sig I used when I was at the station was
Brian Heinrich * Executive Director * CKXU Radio Society
SU162 4401 University Drive * Lethbridge, AB * T1K 3M4
[ph] 403.329.2180 * [cell] 403.331.9122 * [fx] 403.329.2224
(Although I also used a vCard).
/b.
<snip />
--
'There is caution, and there is irrational paranoia.' -- Ron Hunter
Nir
> We all know that TB will remove properly delineated signatures upon
> reply. Quote collapse shows us that we can hide and collapse previous
> responses that can be expanded when you need to see what they say. Does
> anybody know of an extension that hides people signatures like quote
> collapse when viewing mail and news messages?
>
After Installing , Tools>Extensions(or Add-ons)>'Advanced & Message Options tab'
>Don't Display Signatures
Andrew DeFaria
--Andrew DeFaria
It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it...
Andrew DeFaria
Nir wrote:Andrew DeFaria wrote:Hmmm... I had Quote Colors already but never explored those Advanced & Message Options tab. Thanks...
We all know that TB will remove properly delineated signatures upon reply. Quote collapse shows us that we can hide and collapse previous responses that can be expanded when you need to see what they say. Does anybody know of an extension that hides people signatures like quote collapse when viewing mail and news messages?Install 'Quote Color' : http://quotecolors.mozdev.org/
After Installing , Tools>Extensions(or Add-ons)>'Advanced & Message Options tab' >Don't Display Signatures
--Andrew DeFaria
We are born naked, wet and hungry. Then things get worse.
Michael J Gruber
> michaeljgru...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>> Andrew DeFaria venit, vidit, dixit 2006-12-07 15:05:
>>> We all know that TB will remove properly delineated signatures
>>> upon reply. Quote collapse shows us that we can hide and collapse
>>> previous responses that can be expanded when you need to see what
>>> they say. Does anybody know of an extension that hides people
>>> signatures like quote collapse when viewing mail and news
>>> messages?
>> If TB recognizes a signature it is tagged in way which could be
>> used by the quote collapse extension just like the tagging of
>> quotes is used. If there's enough interest I might implement it.
>> But signatures should short anyway so that not much is gained by
>> hiding them.
> Yes the should be, but sometimes they are not. Ever see those long
> and stupid legal disclaimers that carry no legal weight but are just
> annoying? I have. Also, most of the time signatures are not useful.
> Sometimes they are. Usually you've seen it a thousand times already.
> I try to make my signatures at least by using Signature Switcher and
> I have like 800 hopefully humorous taglines. But most people's
> signatures are boring and rarely used.
>
> I might point out that quotes also "should" be short...
Oh yes, and that minor difference between "should" and "is/are" made me
implement QuoteCollapse. OK, you convinced me, I'll implement it sooner
or later, watch http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org for a new version ;)
>> Also, many people even put their name in the signature instead of
>> in the content.
> I know at least TB asks for your name for your account. If people
> choose not to use that then that's their problem, Mr.
> michaeljgru...@fastmail.fm! ;-)
You got me! I never noticed that account didn't have a name. Although
it's not that difficult to guess from the e-mail address. Still, I
consider the name - the "closure" of a mail - to be a part of the mail
body, so it should no be apart from it ;)
Cheers,
Michael
Andrew DeFaria
I might point out that quotes also "should" be short...Oh yes, and that minor difference between "should" and "is/are" made me implement QuoteCollapse. OK, you convinced me, I'll implement it sooner or later, watch http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org for a new version ;)
You got me! I never noticed that account didn't have a name.Also, many people even put their name in the signature instead of in the content.I know at least TB asks for your name for your account. If people choose not to use that then that's their problem, Mr.
michaeljgru...@fastmail.fm! ;-)
Although it's not that difficult to guess from the e-mail address.
Still, I consider the name - the "closure" of a mail - to be a part of the mail body, so it should no be apart from it ;)
--Andrew DeFaria
Music is essentially useless, as life is. - George Santayana
John McWilliams via ThunderBird
> We all know that TB will remove properly delineated signatures upon
> reply. Quote collapse shows us that we can hide and collapse previous
> responses that can be expanded when you need to see what they say. Does
> anybody know of an extension that hides people signatures like quote
> collapse when viewing mail and news messages?
Kinda ironic you ask such, when your html sig line is not proper.
Quote collapse may be a solution for some, but it's ridiculous that
adults can't learn to trim replies, for all sorts of reasons.
--
john mcwilliams
Brian Heinrich
> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>> We all know that TB will remove properly delineated signatures upon
>> reply.
<snip />
> Kinda ironic you ask such, when your html sig line is not proper.
That's actually a limitation of (how Tb handles?) HTML e-mail. It doesn't
matter if the sig itself is in HTML or plaintext.
Andrew DeFaria
On 2006-12-11 10:22 (-0700 UTC), John McWilliams via ThunderBird wrote:
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
We all know that TB will remove properly delineated signatures upon reply.
<snip />
Kinda ironic you ask such, when your html sig line is not proper.
That's actually a limitation of (how Tb handles?) HTML e-mail. It doesn't matter if the sig itself is in HTML or plaintext.
/b.
<snip />
--Andrew DeFaria
Work: 214-549-0855
Cell: 214-289-1959
Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. - Victor Hugo
Ron K.
>>> in the content.
>>>
>> I know at least TB asks for your name for your account. If people
>> choose not to use that then that's their problem, Mr.
>> michaeljgru...@fastmail.fm! ;-)
>>
>
> You got me! I never noticed that account didn't have a name. Although
> it's not that difficult to guess from the e-mail address. Still, I
> consider the name - the "closure" of a mail - to be a part of the mail
> body, so it should no be apart from it ;)
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
I would like to add one more thought to include in a new release. That
is to add a UA option to adjust the space between the colored quote
lines I remember seeing this in some other extension, but see little
reasion to have several with common features just to add one single
difference any one of them have.
--
Ron K.
Don't be a fonted, it's just type casting
Michael J Gruber
> Tbird Leader Michael J Gruber radioed the tower , On 12/11/2006 5:42
> AM: \n
>> Andrew DeFaria venit, vidit, dixit 2006-12-08 15:38:
>>> I might point out that quotes also "should" be short...
>>>
>> Oh yes, and that minor difference between "should" and "is/are"
>> made me implement QuoteCollapse. OK, you convinced me, I'll
>> implement it sooner or later, watch http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org
>> for a new version ;)
>>
> I also add my appreciation for your consideration of this idea.
> I would like to add one more thought to include in a new release.
> That is to add a UA option to adjust the space between the colored
> quote lines I remember seeing this in some other extension, but see
> little reasion to have several with common features just to add one
> single difference any one of them have.
There's the QuoteColors extension which deals with several aspects of
the layout of quotes. Historically, QuoteColors and QuoteCollapse (or
rather: their authors) made sure the two worked together, and I'd rather
keep it that way. Just imagine: One of my own extensions was
"vandalized" in the sense that another extension author implemented the
same functionality in a one-extension-does-it-all thingy which even
deinstalls my extension without ever contacting me. I know you're not
suggesting this, but I like to entertain the idea of small extensions
which are well-defined and work together.
So I'll leave the layout stuff to QuoteColors. Sorry!
Michael