Blacklist, or: prevent newsgroup user contributions from being displayed
Mike Tm
I found and tried two instructions on how to suppress the display of
selected users:
Creating a filter and filter individual users, or create a new address
book named "Blacklist" and filter all individuals that are listed in
that address book. The filter command is set to "mark as read" and
"remove". This is in Thunderbird ver. 2...16.
However, that seems not to work in my case: The users I list in the
filter or in the Blacklist address book rsp. don't disappear, but stay
brightly visible as usual.
Did I perhaps overlook something? Do you have any idea?
Mike
Mike Tm
> you can't "remove" posters from the list -
> only mark them as "read"
I see that. Another poster mentioned that and got the answer that
"remove" in TB doesn't mean to cancel, but only moves the users
contribution out of sight in the TB newsreader.
So, I didn't expect the posts to be canceled. That's not the problem.
The problem is - I see I was too unspecific here in my original question
- that the contributions, that the filter addresses, don't change in any
way: They not only stay visible, but marked as unread as well. They seem
simply untouched by the filter.
Now I made the issue clearer, I hope. Sorry for being unprecise at first.
Is there something else I missed?
Mike
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the filters work on new incoming messages, not ones
already there. Is that clearer? :-)
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Ron Hunter
> On 27.09.2008 16:56, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Mike Tm to
> generate the following:? :
> only mark them as "read", which prevents their posts showing in "bold"
> in the headers list
>
> reg
Sorry, but you CAN.
Just display a message from that user, then right-click on the name in
the 'From:' box, and then 'create filter from message', then click on
'OK'. You will see no more messages from that person, as long as he
doesn't change his online name. Note that it will NOT filter old
messages if you have your display set to still display read messages.
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Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
inkle...@eteisp.com
>On 27.09.2008 16:56, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Mike Tm to
>generate the following:? :
>yes! if you mean Newsgroups, you can't "remove" posters from the list -
Major, major, major fault.
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inkle...@eteisp.com
>> yes! if you mean Newsgroups, you can't "remove" posters from the list -
>> only mark them as "read", which prevents their posts showing in "bold"
>> in the headers list
>>
>> reg
>Sorry, but you CAN.
>Just display a message from that user, then right-click on the name in
>the 'From:' box, and then 'create filter from message'
Now, where do I click to get news articles in general OFF MY SCREEN?
They should be deletable!
Moz Champion (Dan)
If you are reading a news server, only your posts can be 'cancelled' or
removed. You can hide others, using filters or views.
You don't like a particuler message? Simple, go to another one. Or
another group if neccessary.
dard...@gmail.com
introduced their offtopic thread or have hijacked one of ours I go to
Message box at the top, scroll down to the Ignore Thread and click on
K which plants a danger sign.
This may not provide the answer you seek but it sure helps me to avoid
the responses from these people.
XS11E
> Ron Hunter <rphu...@charter.net> said:
>
>
>
>>> yes! if you mean Newsgroups, you can't "remove" posters from
>>> the list - only mark them as "read", which prevents their posts
>>> showing in "bold" in the headers list
>>>
>>> reg
>>Sorry, but you CAN.
>>Just display a message from that user, then right-click on the
>>name in the 'From:' box, and then 'create filter from message'
>
> Now, where do I click to get news articles in general OFF MY
> SCREEN?
>
> They should be deletable!
I'm not sure what you mean but you can set T'Bird to delete read
messages under Account Settings/On Line and Disk space. You can right
click on a newsgroup and select "Mark Newsgroup Read" so all will be
deleted when you close Thunderbird.
If you really want better control of filtering you'll need a different
news client, preferably one that allows scoring. Thunderbird is pretty
limited as to filtering but the new version is rumored to have improved
filtering, don't know if that's true or not???
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inkle...@eteisp.com
>inkle...@ETEisp.com wrote:
>> Ron Hunter <rphu...@charter.net> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> yes! if you mean Newsgroups, you can't "remove" posters from the list -
>>>> only mark them as "read", which prevents their posts showing in "bold"
>>>> in the headers list
>>>>
>>>> reg
>>> Sorry, but you CAN.
>>> Just display a message from that user, then right-click on the name in
>>> the 'From:' box, and then 'create filter from message'
>>
>> Now, where do I click to get news articles in general OFF MY SCREEN?
>>
>> They should be deletable!
>>
>> JimL
>If you are reading a news server, only your posts can be 'cancelled' or
>removed. You can hide others, using filters or views.
>You don't like a particuler message? Simple, go to another one. Or
>another group if neccessary.
I don't give a rip about servers. I spend as little time connected to
them as possible. I want piles of news articles - of my own choosing -
off MY OWN COMPUTER. I don't understand why people keep going back to
talk about servers when I'm talking about my laptop.
Deciding that we MUST keep old news is purely a design decision and a very
bad one at that. I used a news program for many years (now made extinct
by my ISP) in which all I had to do to delete an article was delete it.
Poof! It's gone. Any programmer telling me I can't do that is either
incompetant or has a god complex.
Of course it fits perfectly with the similar thinking that you MUST let
your registry get bigger and bigger and bigger instead of getting the
dirty diapers out of it. What's this obsession with leaving junk on your
computer??????
inkle...@eteisp.com
>inkle...@ETEisp.com wrote:
>> Ron Hunter <rphu...@charter.net> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> yes! if you mean Newsgroups, you can't "remove" posters from
>>>> the list - only mark them as "read", which prevents their posts
>>>> showing in "bold" in the headers list
>>>>
>>>> reg
>>>Sorry, but you CAN.
>>>Just display a message from that user, then right-click on the
>>>name in the 'From:' box, and then 'create filter from message'
>>
>> Now, where do I click to get news articles in general OFF MY
>> SCREEN?
>>
>> They should be deletable!
>I'm not sure what you mean but you can set T'Bird to delete read
>messages under Account Settings/On Line and Disk space. You can right
>click on a newsgroup and select "Mark Newsgroup Read" so all will be
>deleted when you close Thunderbird.
Online or off, I want _certain stuff_ deleted and deleting everything that
has been read is wholesale inanity.
It's really very simple. I keep some NG's on file for later lookups. But
at least half of the articles are useless.
I merely want to delete the crap articles from my computer. Highlight!
Delete! What is so complicated about that? It's right there in plain
sight in the email part of the program. But the Delete button is ALWAYS
greyed out in news. Pure, programmer induced, silliness.
Moz Champion (Dan)
Newsgroups exist on servers
You don't give a darn, fine, don't use em.
You can have Thunderbird (or SeaMonkey) automatically delete
old/expired/read messages if you wish, so your concerns about registries
getting bigger and bigger is nonsensical.
Every news account has a setting to control what is 'kept' on your computer
Tools-->Account Settings--><name of account>-->Offline & Disk Space
You have choices ranging from
Don't delete any
Delete all but the last XX messages
Delete messages more than XX days old
Always delete read messages
Only messages bodies less than XX days old
Of course, if you want to keep specific messagse, you can copy them to
another folder and they won't be deleted at all (until you throw them away)
Keep just the last XX
Keep any newer than XX days
dillinger
You can kill (ignore) threads by pressing K or by choosing Message >
Ignore Thread from the menu. They are marked and gone next time you
visit the newsgroup. Filters only work on new messages. TB3 will be
better at this (subthread filtering, yes) but it's quite buggy right now
and you never know what eventually gets through to the release version,
things have been removed before.
Michel.
XS11E
> XS11E <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> said:
>>I'm not sure what you mean but you can set T'Bird to delete read
>>messages under Account Settings/On Line and Disk space. You can
>>right click on a newsgroup and select "Mark Newsgroup Read" so all
>>will be deleted when you close Thunderbird.
>
> Online or off, I want _certain stuff_ deleted and deleting
> everything that has been read is wholesale inanity.
>
> It's really very simple. I keep some NG's on file for later
> lookups. But at least half of the articles are useless.
OK, I use delete all headers and messages when I close a newsgroup but
I use a newsreader that will recover a message if/when I need it... I
don't know if T'bird can do that?
inkle...@eteisp.com
>OK, I use delete all headers and messages when I close a newsgroup but I
>use a newsreader that will recover a message if/when I need it...
OK, apparently you are talking about re-downloading an article?
If so, what if the article is gone from the server?
Even if it's not gone, how do you know which message to get? On my old
system I search among my articles for a subject I remember reading about.
If I don't have the articles, I can't search them. I don't see anything
so evil about keeping some articles and deleting others, just as we can do
with emails.
inkle...@eteisp.com
>Newsgroups exist on servers
>You don't give a darn, fine, don't use em.
I think it's pretty obvious you can use servers without staying connected
to them 24/7.
>You can have Thunderbird (or SeaMonkey) automatically delete
>old/expired/read messages if you wish,
That's just the point. Old/expired/read doesn't delete specific articles
I want deleted, rather whole blocks of them based on some totally
unrelated criterion.
>so your concerns about registries getting bigger and bigger is nonsensical.
I didn't say news articles did anything to the registry. I said the idea
of insisting on keeping them is similar to the idea of keeping junk in the
registry - which many people insist on doing (saying it's unsafe to clean
them out).
>Every news account has a setting to control what is 'kept' on your computer
Once again, these are wholesale controls that have no relation whatever to
informative (or not) articles I want to keep or delete.(So I wonder why
this weak design must be defended at all costs.)
Again, demanding that a user MUST NOT be able to delete discrete articles
from his computer at will is either incompetence or god complex silliness.
I imagine it's a matter of being unable to delete discrete articles
because TB is based on some technology that only knows how to handle news
in big gobs of some kind. To be certain, it _IS_ possible to handle them
discretely.
JimL
Rav
While I don't necessarily think the lack of a delete feature has
anything to do with incompetence or a god complex (and you're less
likely to get support here using such inflammatory language), you should
know that you're not the only person in this newsgroup who agrees with
you that one should be able to delete individual newsgroup postings in
Thunderbird. I used Eudora for years, and as you said, deleting any
individual posting (no matter who posted it) was as easy as pressing
Delete. Obviously, it didn't delete it off the server, nor did it try
to. It simply removed the entry from the display list (and hopefully
deleted it from whatever local database it was stored in). Especially
in a work environment (and even at home), it's desirable to remove
certain offensive postings from the display and from storage (it may
even be required by company policy). And I agree that filters have
nothing to do with solving this issue.
.
Rav
One more thing: I (and others) have brought this issue up years ago,
and it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere. So you will probably just
end up banging your head against the wall by continuing to argue for it.
.
XS11E
> XS11E <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> said:
>
>>OK, I use delete all headers and messages when I close a newsgroup
>>but I use a newsreader that will recover a message if/when I need
>>it...
>
> OK, apparently you are talking about re-downloading an article?
Correct, sort of. I only download headers so unless I read an article
it's never downloaded. Sometimes if I come into a thread late I need
to see the previous articles to understand what's already been said so
then I can download them, it's a very handy feature in Xnews.
> If so, what if the article is gone from the server?
Then it's either archived on Google or it's gone forever.
> Even if it's not gone, how do you know which message to get?
Xnews has the ability to get the parent article of the one I'm reading
or to reconstruct the thread which gets all articles in the thread.
> I don't see anything so evil about keeping some articles and
> deleting others, just as we can do with emails.
It's not evil, it's just unnecessary. You've very nicely covered one
of several reasons I don't use T'bird for newsgroups.
Moz Champion (Dan)
Newsgroups exist on the server, not on your computer.
If you want to keep specific messages, then simply copy/move them
elsewhere, then they won't be deleted.
This is not a 'defence' of such, it is simply an acceptance of what IS.
Do the best with what you have, when served lemons make lemonaide. The
process of 'saving' specific messages has been the same since Netscape
4x - you move them to another folder.
What some idjets do with registries has nothing to do with the way the
newsgroups are handled, as I said, it has been the same in every
Netscape product (as well as Mozilla product) since 1996.
Netscape/Mozilla doesn't call it 'unsafe' to delete newsgroup messages,
in fact it provides tools to do exactly that. Of course, they are
'wholesale' tools, but as explained previously, if you wish to keep
specific messages, then copy/move them elsewhere! It really is quite simple.
You can complain all you want, you have been given the
tools/instructions on how to deal with your concerns with the tools
extant. Regardless if you want a car that goes 1000 miles on 20 gallons
of gas or not, you still have to fill up when your SUV is empty. It is
not an 'excuse' for being the way it is, it is simply 'doing the best
with what you have'.
Mozilla is open source, if you think you can write a better 'retention'
model than the one currently in use, then contribute to the project.